Mr. HUBERT. Well, sir; if you wish to modify that in any way so that we
now know what you are thinking is about it. I ask you to please do so.
Captain MARTIN. I don't quite--that is not very clear to me, "He knew
of no unauthorized persons permitted to be in the basement."
Mr. HUBERT. Let me get at it this way. Do you know what security
precautions were being taken to be sure that unauthorized persons were
not in the basement?
Captain MARTIN. Yes; they had men at the top of both of the outside
ramps, and I presume that they were supposed to stop anybody coming in,
but apparently they didn't.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know what was meant by "unauthorized persons"?
Captain MARTIN. Well, there were so many people down there. The press,
TV, radio. Of course, all had been checked before they came in. I don't
know.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you receive any specific instructions, yourself, as to
checking?
Captain MARTIN. I didn't receive any instructions at all.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know, or was there anything told to you whereby you
could recognize an unauthorized person?
Captain MARTIN. Nothing was said. Of course, if I'd had seen Jack Ruby,
I'd have known him. I've known him for a long time.
Mr. HUBERT. Did any of the people have identifying badges or anything
of that sort?
Captain MARTIN. No; so far as I know, they didn't. In fact, there was
nothing--there was nothing said about who was to be down there and who
wasn't. There was nothing said about anything--I didn't know anything
about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, when did you come on duty that day, sir?
Captain MARTIN. That morning, it was my Sunday to work, 8:15.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, did you have anything to do with the planning of the
movement of Oswald?
Captain MARTIN. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any knowledge as to what the plan was?
Captain MARTIN. I knew nothing. I just went down there. That's about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you ordered to go down?
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. By whom?
Captain MARTIN. Chief Stevenson.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time, sir?
Captain MARTIN. Oh, I would say between 10:30 and 10:45, somewhere
around there.
Mr. HUBERT. Chief Stevenson is your immediate superior?
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he instruct you to do?
Captain MARTIN. Just to go to the basement is all.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he give you any specific duty to perform?
Captain MARTIN. No.
Mr. HUBERT. When you got there, what time was it?
Captain MARTIN. I don't recall. It was a few minutes before 11, I
believe.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do?
Captain MARTIN. Well, I just got out there by the ramp and just stood
there.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stand before the actual shooting of Oswald?
Captain MARTIN. I imagine I was down there 20 or 25 minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. I'm going to mark a chart. A chart of the basement area,
as follows, to wit: "Dallas, Texas, March 24, Exhibit 5060, deposition
of Capt. F. M. Martin." Signing it with my own name. Now, I would like
to ask you, Captain, if you could sign the other three documents just
below my name, that is to say, 5058 and 5059. Please initial a second
page of 5058, below my initial and then sign 5059. I will ask you to
sign for the purposes of identification under my name the document
5060. Now, Captain, it may be that you will want to look at this mockup
here of the basement area, and then we will enter it on the map, but if
you could show us where you stood on the mockup here, from the time you
got down there at about 11, I think, until Oswald was shot, and you say
you did not move around?
Captain MARTIN. I wasn't in one spot all this time, but when he came
out, of course, there was a car sitting right--I guess the back end of
the car was coming to about here [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. All right, now, you are showing the back end of the car,
and I am going to, with a pen draw in on Exhibit 5060, the approximate
position of the back end of the car as you demonstrated it.
Captain MARTIN. Be about right there [indicating]. No; not that far.
About right here.
Mr. HUBERT. About like so?
Captain MARTIN. Uh-huh.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I have drawn on the map a rough image of a car, by
using simply a square, and I have marked it "car". Now, would you take
the pen, sir, and--your own pen, and mark by the use of a circle your
position with reference to the car at the time of the shooting. Now,
let's get that.
Captain MARTIN. I was about right here [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. Now, would you just write in your own handwriting there,
"The position of F. M. Martin at the time of the shooting." Now,
Captain, you think you--you said you had been in that general basement
area for about 20 minutes prior to the shooting?
Captain MARTIN. I would say that. I don't know for sure.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anybody you knew?
Captain MARTIN. Well, most of the press I knew. No one outside of the
press that I knew.
Mr. HUBERT. You did know Jack Ruby, I understand?
Captain MARTIN. Yes; I knew Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. And I think, that is already in report?
Captain MARTIN. Yes; it is in here.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him?
Captain MARTIN. Not until after the shooting.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you looking at any time in the direction where you
subsequently learned or believed he came from?
Captain MARTIN. No; not directly. Of course--Where is your map? I
couldn't have seen him from--if I would have been, because there were
people all along here [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, to your right, is that right?
Captain MARTIN. Yes; across here [indicating]. And all up in here
[indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. There were people between--on your right, between you
and----