Captain MARTIN. I don't know----

Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, did you make any statement to them about

auxiliary officers being stationed at any place?

Captain MARTIN. Yes. Yes; I told them that there were, but I meant the

two ramps coming into the basement from the outside.

Mr. HUBERT. I see. In other words, what you want to clarify about this

is that what you meant when you made reference to auxiliary officers

and ramps, that you meant the entrances or exits at the street level of

the Main and Commerce ramps?

Captain MARTIN. That's right.

Mr. HUBERT. And, you did not have reference to the officers at other

passageways?

Captain MARTIN. That's right.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. I might ask you in connection with that same

thing, what do you mean by the word "compound"?

Captain MARTIN. I didn't use that.

Mr. HUBERT. Didn't use that word?

Captain MARTIN. No; that must be theirs.

Mr. HUBERT. What do you understand there, because the report is that

you said "That this was the only entrance into the compound which Ruby

could have used"?

Captain MARTIN. I didn't use that word.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you express any such thought and if so, what were

you referring to?

Captain MARTIN. Of course, what they are referring to by "compound," is

the area right outside the jail door there.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean what is commonly called the basement area

including the parking area, the garage area, the two ramps and the

space between the two ramps?

Captain MARTIN. I am sure it is, because I didn't use the word

"compound."

Mr. HUBERT. Let's look at it this way, would this statement be correct

then if we changed the word "compound," to be defined as the general

basement area as I just defined it a moment ago?

Captain MARTIN. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. So, then it would be correct to say that, to your

knowledge, the two ramps, to wit, those--the one leading from Main

Street, and the one leading from Commerce Street were the only

entrances to the basement area, as we defined it a moment ago, that

Ruby could have used?

Captain MARTIN. More that he could have used, yes; but, of course,

you----

Mr. HUBERT. Of course, this says the only entrance, and if you wish to

qualify it----

Captain MARTIN. We were speaking of these two ramps. And we were

talking of him coming down into the basement off the street.

Mr. HUBERT. Yes, sir.

Captain MARTIN. Of course, you have got the city hall. I mean, the

police and courts building, and also got the city hall. He could have

been--come down the elevator over here [indicating].

Mr. HUBERT. I take it you want to modify this statement then so that

your present opinion is that it is not correct to say that the Main

Street and the Commerce Street entrances were the only mode of entrance

to the basement?

Captain MARTIN. No, no; there are other ways to get in there.

Mr. HUBERT. That is what I mean. What other ways are there?

Captain MARTIN. There is--coming from the police and courts building to

the basement, or you can come down the elevator in the city hall into

the garage area and come across, but as far as I remember, that wasn't

brought up. They were speaking of those two ramps.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, let me ask you this: Was the explanation that we have

now put into the record, are you satisfied that this document, 5059, is

substantially correct?

Captain MARTIN. I don't know exactly what he means here by "He knew of

no unauthorized persons to be in the basement."

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