Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, did you make any statement to them about
auxiliary officers being stationed at any place?
Captain MARTIN. Yes. Yes; I told them that there were, but I meant the
two ramps coming into the basement from the outside.
Mr. HUBERT. I see. In other words, what you want to clarify about this
is that what you meant when you made reference to auxiliary officers
and ramps, that you meant the entrances or exits at the street level of
the Main and Commerce ramps?
Captain MARTIN. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. And, you did not have reference to the officers at other
passageways?
Captain MARTIN. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. I might ask you in connection with that same
thing, what do you mean by the word "compound"?
Captain MARTIN. I didn't use that.
Mr. HUBERT. Didn't use that word?
Captain MARTIN. No; that must be theirs.
Mr. HUBERT. What do you understand there, because the report is that
you said "That this was the only entrance into the compound which Ruby
could have used"?
Captain MARTIN. I didn't use that word.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you express any such thought and if so, what were
you referring to?
Captain MARTIN. Of course, what they are referring to by "compound," is
the area right outside the jail door there.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean what is commonly called the basement area
including the parking area, the garage area, the two ramps and the
space between the two ramps?
Captain MARTIN. I am sure it is, because I didn't use the word
"compound."
Mr. HUBERT. Let's look at it this way, would this statement be correct
then if we changed the word "compound," to be defined as the general
basement area as I just defined it a moment ago?
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. So, then it would be correct to say that, to your
knowledge, the two ramps, to wit, those--the one leading from Main
Street, and the one leading from Commerce Street were the only
entrances to the basement area, as we defined it a moment ago, that
Ruby could have used?
Captain MARTIN. More that he could have used, yes; but, of course,
you----
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, this says the only entrance, and if you wish to
qualify it----
Captain MARTIN. We were speaking of these two ramps. And we were
talking of him coming down into the basement off the street.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes, sir.
Captain MARTIN. Of course, you have got the city hall. I mean, the
police and courts building, and also got the city hall. He could have
been--come down the elevator over here [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. I take it you want to modify this statement then so that
your present opinion is that it is not correct to say that the Main
Street and the Commerce Street entrances were the only mode of entrance
to the basement?
Captain MARTIN. No, no; there are other ways to get in there.
Mr. HUBERT. That is what I mean. What other ways are there?
Captain MARTIN. There is--coming from the police and courts building to
the basement, or you can come down the elevator in the city hall into
the garage area and come across, but as far as I remember, that wasn't
brought up. They were speaking of those two ramps.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, let me ask you this: Was the explanation that we have
now put into the record, are you satisfied that this document, 5059, is
substantially correct?
Captain MARTIN. I don't know exactly what he means here by "He knew of
no unauthorized persons to be in the basement."