Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the names?
Mr. HOLLY. No; I don't. I don't recall none of the names, because I
wasn't familiar with any of the boys.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you remember that during the time that you were out
at Parkland Hospital another reserve officer approached you and stated
that he had seen the man who shot Oswald coming down the ramp?
Mr. HOLLY. No; he didn't approach me, because I approached him. I
went over to find where I could get some water. I was stationed where
the entrance is where the Governor was, and he told me there was some
coffee and water if I wanted, and I went in and when I came back I
struck up a conversation with the man, and we were talking about----
Mr. HUBERT. Was he a reserve officer?
Mr. HOLLY. Yes; he was a reserve. And in the conversation he said
that he either knew or he saw Ruby down in the city hall, knew of him
getting down in there.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he speaking, from what you could tell, of Ruby being
down in there on the morning that Oswald was assassinated?
Mr. HOLLY. Yes. I asked him--the conversation went like, well, how in
the world could they ever let him in. Everybody knew him, which most
reserves do know him.
Mr. HUBERT. You knew him?
Mr. HOLLY. Oh, yes; I knew him. I did business with him. And I would
know him if I saw him. But I wasn't stationed down there, so therefore,
I don't know.
And he said he saw him down there, or did see of him, or he in someway,
one of the reserves had let him in, and he had a lapel pass on.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you know who he was, this reserve?
Mr. HOLLY. No. I tried to go through the photographs of who I thought
it was. I never have learned if it was him.
Mr. HUBERT. You did pick out a person?
Mr. HOLLY. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the name of the man you picked out?
Mr. HOLLY. No. Captain Solomon mentioned his name, but I don't recall
it.
Mr. HUBERT. Does the name Newman refresh your memory?
Mr. HOLLY. Newman? It's been so long ago. I wouldn't say.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there any doubt about your identification?
Mr. HOLLY. Well, other than I described the man to him, and, of course,
I went over the photographs with Captain Solomon on Sunday.
Mr. HUBERT. A week later?
Mr. HOLLY. On that following Sunday after the date. No; it was a week
later. I beg your pardon. It was a week later, and I met him up there
Sunday, and we went over the photographs with men in their uniforms,
and the boy I picked out, Captain Solomon said, "Well, that is one of
the men that is down in the basement," and that is the only one I could
think it could have been.
And he contacted the man and the man was hunting at that time, and I
never did hear of any more of it.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, what I mean is, the man you did pick out, is there
any doubt in your mind that you picked out the man you spoke to at the
hospital who told you he had seen Ruby?
Mr. HOLLY. There is a little doubt there, yes. I wouldn't be too
positive of it. But I feel----
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen this man since?
Mr. HOLLY. No; I haven't seen him since. I didn't know him and never
had seen him before that. But I am pretty positive I picked out the
right man, the one that I did see and talk to.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me see if I can get you straight. You say that you
are pretty positive that you did pick out the right man, but a little
while before you said that you weren't quite sure? There is a little
difference between the two?
Mr. HOLLY. I went over several photographs with Captain Solomon and he
is the only one that resembles him.
The photographs he showed me were old photographs, so there was a
little doubt there, and that is the only part I can be doubted on.