Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you turn around and move the crowd back?
Mr. CROY. There was a man with a camera, movie camera, sitting on his
shoulder, standing next to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Which direction were you facing?
Mr. CROY. I was facing to the south.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Toward Commerce Street?
Mr. CROY. Yes; he would have been to my left. And there was also
another fellow standing just slightly in back of him.
And when he gave this order to move the people back, I thought he
referred to everyone moving against the rail, because I was in back of
this other group of the press. I didn't bother with them. I let the
ones in front of them take care of them, and I turned to the man with
the camera and this other fellow and told them to move back against the
rail.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you recognize this other fellow?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, then, what did you do?
Mr. CROY. I turned back around and watched the reporters in front of me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see someone there that you recognized?
Mr. CROY. Where?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where the reporters were in front of you?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, maybe I don't understand your affidavit here. You
stated in here, "someone in authority gave instructions to move the
press back against the rail. At that time I turned and told two men
standing to my left to move back against the rail. One of these men had
a motion picture camera. The other one was in a dark maroon coat with
black thread woven into it. He was wearing a black hat. My father has a
coat something similar to the man I spoke to.
"I then turned my attention back to the reporters which were standing
in front of me. I believe this man to have been Jack Ruby."
The "to" is underlined. Which man are you referring to?
Mr. CROY. The man with the maroon coat that was standing to my left.
The other man I told to move back against the rail.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Miss Reporter, would you please turn back in your notes
and read where he referred to the position of the reporters?
(The following questions and answers were read:
"Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see someone there that you recognized?
"Mr. CROY. Where?
"Mr. GRIFFIN. Where the reporters were in front of you?
"Mr. CROY. No.")
Mr. GRIFFIN. Will the reporter please indicate in the record what
portion was read back to the witness?
Now, you heard the reporter read back that testimony.
Mr. CROY. Yes; I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I don't understand. You have said here, if I understand it
in your affidavit, that you saw a man whom you believed to be Jack Ruby.
Mr. CROY. I believe when I wrote that up it was him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Now, have you since come to believe that that man
wasn't Jack Ruby?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You still believe that man was Jack Ruby?
Mr. CROY. To myself, I still believe it was Jack Ruby.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay.
Mr. CROY. I don't know whether it was or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us how you came to believe that man was Jack Ruby?
Mr. CROY. Well, as I was standing there and this blur came from my
left, someone running, and he run by me at a pretty good clip, he was
gaining momentum and he ran by me. I got a glimpse of his coat and the
coat matched the one that I had told this fellow to move back. At least
it seemed to me it did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that man over against the railing?
Mr. CROY. No; after I turned my attention back to the reporters, I
glanced back over my shoulder to see if they had done what I told them
to, and the man with the camera had gotten on the railing where could
get a good shot. The other fellow, I didn't see him.
I didn't turn completely all the way around to see if he was in back of
me. I just glanced over my shoulder, so I presume he had gotten against
the railing or had moved around with the other reporters.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how far were you from the railing after you pushed
the reporters back over in that direction?
Mr. CROY. I didn't push them. I asked them to step back over there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. CROY. I was standing about midways to the ramp. Do you know how
wide that ramp is?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a line, a group of people in front of you?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this group, was it sort of in a line that stretched
across from the wall to the railing across the Main Street ramp?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many people would you say were stretched across there?
Mr. CROY. I don't know. There was quite a few there, but I have no idea
how many were there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were there any people--as you turned back, were you
also part of a line, a second line? Were you part of a second line?
Mr. CROY. Not that I know. I was just standing there. There were other
officers to my right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, one straggled line, this first line in
front of you?
Mr. CROY. What do you mean?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you stating there was a fairly solid front line of
people?
Mr. CROY. About two deep.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you behind that group of people?
Mr. CROY. I was behind them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How far behind them were you?
Mr. CROY. Oh, a couple of feet or 3 feet.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Back where you were standing, were people as closely
bunched up as other people were?
Mr. CROY. There wasn't anyone to my left other than the two people
I told to move back. To my right there were several other officers
standing there with me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Captain Arnett one of the officers?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you show us where Captain Arnett was?