Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you have indicated on the map that there were two
behind the railing, sort of directly opposite the hallway that leads
out from the double doors?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And that there was a third one over against the railing of
the entrance to the garage closer to Commerce Street?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you sure that all of those were placed in that
position that they were in, or do you think they could have been
someplace else?
Mr. CROY. They were placed there when I walked in the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Would you tell us what happened at the time that
this automobile went up the Main Street ramp? Which side of the
automobile were you standing on? Were you standing between it and the
railing, or were you standing between it and the wall?
Mr. CROY. It and the wall on the left hand side of the car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how many people were in that area, would you say,
in the general area across from the wall that you were near, and the
railing across?
Mr. CROY. Police officers and press?
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many would you say were there?
Mr. CROY. I couldn't say. I don't know. There was several there. They
were all standing out in here, and when the car came out, everybody had
to get out of the way and let the car get through.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make any effort to help push the people back?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As cars went up the ramp and got ahead of you people, what
did you do?
Mr. CROY. I watched it go up the ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see it stop at the top of the ramp?
Mr. CROY. No; I just watched it going up the ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see the police officer there at the top of the
ramp?
Mr. CROY. Not at that time, I didn't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. At what point did you lose sight? Where was the car when
you lost sight of the car at the top of the ramp?
Mr. CROY. When he got almost to the top of the ramp, I turned back
around. I didn't watch it drive on out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. As you looked around, did you see anything of
significance?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did there come a time when somebody gave you instructions
to move the press back against the railing?
Mr. CROY. Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that?
Mr. CROY. Prior to them bringing Oswald down.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that before or after the car went up the ramp?
Mr. CROY. It was after.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it any substantial length of time after?
Mr. CROY. I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what makes you sure that it was after the car went up
the ramp?
Mr. CROY. Because it was just prior to them bringing, just prior to
them bringing him out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, if you were told that, if you were to assume that
that car moved out of the ramp, approximately 1 minute before Oswald
was shot, would you still feel that this order to move the people back
from the railing was given after the car went up the ramp?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, you think it could have been as little as,
no more than a minute after the car went up the ramp?
Mr. CROY. I don't know how long it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you feel it was more than a minute after the car went
up the ramp?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You think this order was given more than a minute after
the car went up the ramp?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the officer standing who gave that order?
Mr. CROY. Somewhere in this general area. He just stepped out of the
little hallway leading to the jail office. I don't know who it was. He
was a detective.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see.
Mr. CROY. In plain clothes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You saw him emerge from the jail office?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He said move everybody back?
Mr. CROY. Well, he didn't say move everybody back. He said move back
against the railing. At that particular time they were all crowded out
in here and all the way around.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are indicating the area right in front of the TV
cameras?
Mr. CROY. And he said, move the press back against the railing, this
group right here. They didn't move them back because they wasn't
actually--what they were trying to do was clear a hall because they
were crowded right up to the entrance right here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You say there was a group that was standing across the
Main Street ramp that wasn't pushed back?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you standing? Would you mark on the diagram
where you were standing when the order was given to push the people
back?
Mr. CROY. Do you want me to put an "X"?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Put a "C" in there and put a circle around it.