Mr. GRIFFIN. Put a date after your initials.
Mr. BEATY. 3-26-64. I don't even remember what month.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, now, do you recall any of the people who came
down in the contingent with Captain Jones?
Mr. BEATY. They are listed on the back of that, the best I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have listed on page 32, of what we have labeled
Commission Document 85 (Beaty Exhibit 5040), the names of about a dozen
police officers. Did you see all these people come down together, or
these people that you remember as having been in the basement?
Mr. BEATY. They came--let me read them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me read them for the record. B. H. Combest. J. H.
Hutchinson.
Mr. BEATY. Those two, boy, they are supposed both special service
officers, too, and I don't know how in the world they could have
received word unless they called and told them to come down, because
they were the only ones from the special service bureau down there with
me at the time. I can't remember them getting off the elevator at the
time, but Captain Martin----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me read them. W. J. Harrison.
Mr. BEATY. Yes; I remember him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Wilbur Jay Cutchshaw. James Watson.
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. L. D. Miller.
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. R. L. Lowery.
Mr. BEATY. Yes; he was on.
Mr. GRIFFIN. J. Charles Goolsby?
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. W. E. Chambers.
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Captain Frank Martin.
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Lieutenant W. Wiggins?
Mr. BEATY. No; he wasn't. He was a jail supervisor. He was already down.
Mr. GRIFFIN. R. C. Wagner?
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is the complete list.
Mr. BEATY. They must have been on two elevators.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, have these men that you saw come down, Harrison,
Cutchshaw, Watson, Miller, Lowery, Goolsby, Chambers, and Martin, were
all those people attached to the juvenile bureau?
Mr. BEATY. No; Chambers is forgery. Goolsby is juvenile. Lowery is
juvenile. Wagner, I believe, is forgery. Watson is auto theft. Harrison
is juvenile. I don't know where Miller works.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Cutchshaw?
Mr. BEATY. Cutchshaw is juvenile. Hutchinson and Combest are both
special services.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But Wagner was not in the elevator?
Mr. BEATY. Yes; he was with them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He came down in the elevator?
Mr. BEATY. Yes; Wiggins wasn't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Wiggins wasn't in the elevator. Now, when these men got
off the elevator, what did they do? Where did they go?
Mr. BEATY. Walked straight out there in front of the elevator to the
windows by--are you familiar with that place down there?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; I am.
Mr. BEATY. What I call it, where you go through that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Might as well call it the window in front of the jail
office, if that is where it was.
Mr. BEATY. That's right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to sketch a diagram of the basement. Did they
go through the swinging doors?
Mr. BEATY. We waited right about here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are indicating just about at the first window of the
jail office as you come from the elevator?
Mr. BEATY. That's right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The elevator we are talking about is the general elevator
that services all floors and is available to anybody that comes into
the building?
Mr. BEATY. We are not talking about the jail elevator?
Mr. GRIFFIN. That's right.
Mr. BEATY. That's right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you all congregated outside that window, what
took place?
Mr. BEATY. Within 5 or 10 minutes, Captain Jones came through and spoke
to me, and we walked through the small hall by the jail office window
into the double doors and he instructed us to stand on either side of
that hallway, which would be just outside the double doors as you enter
into the basement parking area.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, Mr. Beaty, I am going to hand you my pen. I am
going to ask you if you will mark on this diagram where was your
understanding that people were to place themselves.
Mr. BEATY. Where they were assigned?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; what assignments did Jones make at that point?
Mr. BEATY. He said, "Divide yourself up about half and half. Half on
this side and half on this side."
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you have drawn a line on either side, straight line
on either side of the hallway that leads out between the swinging doors
and the Main Street and Commerce Street ramp.
Mr. BEATY. That's right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell officers to stand any place except along those
two walls where you have drawn the line?
Mr. BEATY. No, sir. He instructed us to, when they brought Oswald out
of the smaller swinging door in the outside hall, to make a path for
him and be sure that nobody got to him or slowed him down. In other
words, indicating that--I don't remember whether he said to get to him
or not. He just said keep the people back so we can get him through,
something like that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you this: What was your understanding that you
people were to do, if anything, when Oswald got abreast of you?
Mr. BEATY. To keep the people back. Of course, over here where I was,
there was nobody behind me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you place on the chart where it was you were
stationed? Put an "X" there.