Captain JONES. To the jail office on the basement floor. Now, who they
were, I don't know. I am sure some of it is mentioned in the individual
officers' reports that we have, of the ones that were there that I was
talking to and told them as far as I knew the armored car was going,
that was going to transfer him, that was backed up, it was backed up
there and we would see the prisoner was safely escorted over to that.
Meantime, someone, I couldn't tell----
Mr. HUBERT. Just 1 minute. Before that, had you been told by Chief
Stevenson when he instructed you to go down to the Commerce Street ramp
and make arrangements for the handling of the armored truck----
Captain JONES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you been told what route would be followed by the
armored truck, or whatever vehicle?
Captain JONES. I had not been told that. I had heard some discussion.
We have a large map of downtown, city of Dallas, that sits inside of
the chief's office where the secretaries sit outside there, and one of
the chiefs, I don't recall which one it was, was over there talking to
someone else about a proposed route. I don't know what it was. I was
not told.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that?
Captain JONES. Oh, just prior to my going to the basement.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, just prior to 11 o'clock?
Captain JONES. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. They were discussing what route to take?
Captain JONES. Discussing route, and I don't know what arrangements was
made.
Mr. HUBERT. Let's go back into the basement where you left off at the
end of the last sequence of questions. What time, roughly, would it
have been when you had completed the duty of informing the police who
were at the top of the Commerce Street entrance, and after you had
informed Captain Talbert, and after you had gotten these three men----
Captain JONES. To the jail office there?
Mr. HUBERT. What time was it, about?
Captain JONES. Well, it would take a minimum, I would say, of 5
minutes, to come up that. It would vary a little, and possibly more,
depending on how fast the elevators came up and so forth.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do next then?
Captain JONES. Next thing I did--it was brought to my attention--we
don't have a chart here so I will have----
Mr. HUBERT. Here; I am going to mark it, "Dallas, Texas, March 24,
1963. Exhibit 5057, deposition of Capt. O. A. Jones." I am signing my
name below it and I would like you to sign your name, here.
Captain JONES. All right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And then will you use the exhibit as you see fit. Let me
say to you that if you do refer to the exhibit please indicate in words
where it is rather than pointing to it because it will not make sense
later on.
Captain JONES. All right.