CHAPTER VIII.

DEBATE IN LAFAYETTE--DIE IN ADAM--ALIVE IN CHRIST--THIS WORLD AND

WORLD TO COME--BATTLE GROUND--IN MONTICELLO--A REPLY--A PREACHER

WHIPPED--D. VINES--S. OYLER--I. M. WESTFALL--B. F. FOSTER IN

INDIANA--REVIVAL POETRY--LADOGA CAMP-MEETING--WORSHIP GOD--IN

MICHIGAN CITY--AN EPISCOPAL PREACHER--A WET RIDE--DEBATE IN

DAYTON--DISCUSSION IN JEFFERSON--EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT--END OF THE

WORLD--SECOND COMING OF CHRIST--ETERNAL LIFE--MEANING OF EVERLASTING.

Soon after this, I had an oral debate in Lafayette, with Mr. Jeffries,

Protestant Methodist, of that place, which continued four days. One

of my principal proof-texts was 1 Corinthians, 15th chapter. I spoke

as follows: This is one of the longest chapters in the New Testament,

and in it the apostle discourses on very important subjects--on life

and death, mortality and immortality, the earthy nature and heavenly

nature. There are two general statements in this chapter. 1st. We must

all die in Adam. 2d. We shall all be made alive in Christ. I will

notice these statements in the order I have named them.

1st. We must all die. “As in Adam all die.” This does not say we must

die because a man by the name of Adam did so and so, six thousand years

ago. Adam is a Hebrew word, and signifies _man_. Job says, “_Man_

that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble.” In the

original it reads, _Adam_, instead of man. That Adam simply means man,

or mankind, is evident from the account of the creation of our race, in

Genesis. “Let us make _man_ (Adam) in our image, after our likeness,

and let _them_ have dominion.” Here the plural verb shows that the word

Adam is employed collectively, meaning _mankind_. “And God created _the

man_ (the Adam) in his own image: in the image of God created he him;

male and female created he _them_.” Here both the application of “male

and female” to _the Adam_, and the plural pronoun at the end of the

verse shows that the man is used generically, and that it is equivalent

to the first of _mankind_. The word Adam, then, was not a proper name,

but an appellative noun for the human species; its application to the

first man, as his proper name, was subsequent and secondary. Hence when

the apostle says, “As in Adam all die,” he means, As in the Adamic

nature, the earthy, corruptible, mortal nature, all die. Adam means

mortal man, and all mankind die in that nature.

2d. The other statement is contained in the same verse--“Even so in

Christ shall all be made alive.” “Made alive in Christ,” is contrasted

with “die in Adam;” and as Adam means the earthy nature, so Christ

means the heavenly nature. Here is universal death in the earthy

nature, and universal life in heavenly nature. All die on earth and all

shall live in heaven. But in the Adamic nature is the _germ_ of the

Christ-like nature, as in the corn is the germ of the future stock.

In this chapter the apostle gives this beautiful analogy thus: “But

some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do

they come?” In answering these questions the apostle shows, that the

germ of the heavenly man is in the earthy man. “Thou fool! that which

thou sowest is not quickened except it die.” The seed corresponds to

the mortal body; the _germ_ corresponds to the spirit in man; and as

the sowing of the seed develops the germ into a beautiful and vigorous

plant, to bask in the sunshine, inhale the air, and drink the dews of

heaven, so the death of the mortal body quickens the indwelling spirit,

and it enters with renewed vigor on its immortal and heavenly life.

The seed then is an emblem of man; its resurrection an emblem of man’s

resurrection. Who can deny a resurrection when the world is so full

of emblems pointing man to that great fact in his own destiny. “So,”

says the apostle, referring to this beautiful illustration, “is the

resurrection of _the dead_”--all the dead, all who die in the earthy

nature. In the words, “It is sown,” the writer seems to refer to the

seed sown in the ground, still making it an emblem of man. Mankind sown

in corruption, dishonor, are raised incorruptible, glorious. The second

body is more glorious than the first, as the rose is more glorious than

the seed. These citations show what the apostle means by the words,

“made alive in Christ;” and remember, that all who die in the Adamic

nature are thus to be made alive.

“Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to

God, even the Father,” etc. (See verses 24-28). Here we learn what is

to be destroyed. 1. “All rule.” 2. “All authority.” 3. “All power.”

4. “Death.” And mark you, that death is the LAST enemy. My friend

asserts, that death is NOT the last enemy, but that beyond death, and

IN HELL, there are legions of enemies to be the everlasting tormentors

of countless millions of mankind. If the gentleman is correct, death

is not the _last_ enemy, but rather the _first real enemy_, and opens

the door to the fires, furies, and demons of perdition, which will burn

and lash their victims world without end. Let it also be noted, that

the last enemy is to be DESTROYED. The apostle continues his statements

concerning the subjugation of all things to God thus: “And when all

things shall be subdued to God, then shall the Son himself be subject

to him, that put all things under him that God may be all in all.”

This is the END to which mankind are tending, and this consummation

will surely be realized. All sin, error, suffering and death, shall be

abolished; all mankind subdued to God, and God ALL IN ALL. The sum of

this chapter then is this--all mankind are mortal, corruptible, and

must die; death is destruction to the _body_, but life to the _soul_;

glory, honor and immortality, are the rich inheritance of mankind.

“The apostle,” replied Mr. J., “teaches the resurrection of the _body_,

not of the _spirit_, and I admit that he teaches the resurrection of

all the dead, and when that shall be effected the absent spirits will

claim their long lost bodies.”

I rejoined: The gentleman tells us, that the writer of this chapter

teaches the resurrection of the bodies of all the dead. If he is

correct, God will raise the bodies of saints and sinners, Jews and

Gentiles, incorruptible, glorious, heavenly, and when that shall be

done, he will unlock hell, and take the deformed, corrupt, wretched

spirits, that have been imprisoned in that foul dungeon for thousands

of years, and perhaps millions of ages, and put them into those

beautiful, glorious, heavenly bodies. That would be a union of perfect

purity with total depravity, a marriage of heaven and hell, and two

bodies so totally unlike would fly asunder like fire and water. The

truth is, the apostle speaks not of the resurrection of this mortal

body, these bones and muscles, this flesh and blood, but of _the

man_--the inner, spiritual, real man. This body is necessary, while we

are denizens of earth. By means of it the spirit is connected with the

outer world, but when we shall be dwellers of the spirit land, we shall

have no further use of these mortal tabernacles.

In his first speech on the proposition relating to endless punishment,

Mr. Jeffries boasted that he should make short work of me and of my

faith. “I have,” said he, “one text to quote, and one question to ask.

The text is Matthew xii. 31, 32. ‘Wherefore I say unto you, All manner

of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy

against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever

speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but

whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven

him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.’ And this is

the question: If the sin against the Holy Ghost was not to be forgiven

in this world, or in the world to come, _where will it be forgiven_? I

once had a debate with Jonathan Kidwell, and I cited this verse, and

asked this question, and it brought the discussion to a _close_, for

Mr. Kidwell could neither answer the question nor explain the passage

so as to save Universalism from total destruction. The debate was to

continue four days, but it lasted twenty minutes.”

I responded as follows: The gentleman pretends that he once “used up”

one man by one question, and one text, and he expects to demolish me in

the same easy and summary manner; but the sequel may show that he is

over sanguine. I will show that the passage on which he so confidently

relies to sustain his monstrous proposition, affords it no aid whatever.

1. If the words, “this world and the world to come,” mean this life and

the life to come, as my friend supposes, then _all sin_, save the _one

sin_ against the Holy Ghost, may be forgiven in the _future state_. The

passage reads, “_All_ manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven

unto men.” The parallel passage (Mark iii. 28) reads thus: “_All

sins_ shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and [all] blasphemies

wherewithsoever they shall blaspheme.” It is as clear as daylight,

from these passages, that _all sins_, except the _one_ specified, can

be forgiven “in this world or the world to come.” If the gentleman is

right in his application of the passage, _all sins but one_, may be

forgiven in the future state of being, and his creed is consequently

_false_, for it asserts that God will not permit a sin to be forgiven

on the other side of the river, but every sin the soul harbors when

it shuffles off its mortal coil, becomes fossilized, immortal as God

himself. He must either abandon his text or his unforgiving creed.

2. The gentleman relies on the word, _shall_--the sin against the Holy

Ghost shall not be forgiven. That word occurs twice in the passage,

and I wish to call his special attention to where it occurs the second

time. ALL SINS SHALL BE FORGIVEN. If _shall_ is to be understood in

the absolute sense in one place, it must in the other, and then the

passage means, that all sin, except that _one_ against the Holy Ghost,

SHALL be forgiven somewhere, either in this world or the world to come.

The passage, then, instead of blasting our blissful hope and cherished

faith, that all sin and wrong will ultimately end, strikes a death-blow

at the gentleman’s creed concerning the immortality of wickedness of

every name and grade.

3. It is by no means certain, that “this world and world to come,”

means this life and life to come. The most learned men of all schools

tell us, that the passage should be translated, this _age_ and _age_

to come, meaning the Jewish age or dispensation, and Christian age or

dispensation. Dr. Adam Clarke takes this view of the words: “Though I

follow the common translation, yet I am FULLY SATISFIED the meaning of

the words is, neither in this _dispensation_, viz., the Jewish, nor in

that which is to come, viz., the _Christian_. _Olam ha-bo, the world to

come_, is a constant phrase for the times of the Messiah, in the Jewish

writings.” Bishop Pearce says, “Rather, neither in this _age_, nor in

the _age_ to come;” meaning the Jewish and Christian dispensations.

“Ah!” said he, in his next speech, “if the sin against the Holy Ghost

was not to be forgiven in the Jewish age or Christian age, when was

it to be forgiven? The Jewish age commenced in the days of Moses and

ended when Christ was crucified; the Christian age commenced then,

and will not end till death shall be swallowed up in victory. _When_

and _where_ can that sin be forgiven? Will Mr. Manford answer that

question?”

Reply. The Jewish and Christian ages belong to _this stage_ of

existence, and when the Jordan of death shall be passed, we shall not

be living in the Jewish age or Christian age, but in the _spirit age_,

_spirit world_, and the passage does not intimate that sin or any other

sin cannot be forgiven there. The truth is, that the wisdom, the light,

the glory of the spirit world will soon transform every soul into its

image. When the sun crosses the equator, on the twentieth of March,

how dead the vegetable kingdom lies, horror wide extends his desolate

domain. But the sun soon begins to impart his renovating grace to root

and seed, and the result is, a _general resurrection_ on hill, dale and

plain. Nothing can resist his influence; all vegetation comes forth to

newness of life. So the wisdom and love of heaven, corresponding to the

light and heat of the sun of this world, illuminates and warms every

soul, and quickens each and all into newness of life. Say not, then,

that sin cannot be put away from the soul on the other side of the

river. We should not cheat ourselves by delaying to live a Christian

life till middle age, or till we enter the spirit land, but in the

words of Dr. Watts,

“While the lamp holds out to burn,

The vilest sinner may return.”

The _lamp of life_ will burn forever, and the time or place will

never be known, where and when, the sinner cannot return to truth, to

virtue--to God. Every tree and shrub is invigorated and developed by

the sun’s life-giving beams, so the great spiritual Sun does not shine

in vain; every soul will be blessed by his divine emanations. In the

language of the Bible, “All nations whom thou hast made shall go and

worship before thee O Lord, and glorify thy name.”

“You forget,” said my opponent, in his last speech on the above

passage, “that those who committed the sin against the Holy Ghost, were

in danger of _eternal damnation_.”

No, sir, I have not forgotten that; neither have I forgotten, that if

the sin named is absolutely _never_ to be forgiven, the sinner who

commits it is not in _danger_ of suffering damnation, but is _sure_ of

suffering it, just as sure as he has sinned. There is no remedy, his

doom is sealed. These words, then, clearly imply, that the punishment

named may be arrested. This is an important consideration. Again, the

word, _eternal_ is from the same Greek term that _world_ is, and Dr.

Clarke, as we have seen, says it means _age_, and learned men of all

denominations admit it signifies age, time, life-time. I have now

noticed every point the gentleman made on this noted passage, and it is

evident that it affords the dogma of immortal wretchedness no support.

I delivered several lectures at the Tippecanoe battle ground, and

became acquainted with many persons, who have ever since been steadfast

friends. This place is six miles north of Lafayette. There is a marsh

on one side, and a small stream, with a narrow bottom, covered with

thick woods, on the other. The distance from the swamp to the stream is

about three hundred yards, and on this narrow belt of ground General

Harrison’s army was encamped, and the battle fought. No military man, I

suppose, would deem that a safe camping-ground in an enemy’s country.

But Harrison did not expect the Indians would fight, but rather treat

for peace; but he should have been more cautious. He repelled the

attack, with heavy loss to his army, but if he had been defeated, his

force would have suffered sorely, for the Wabash river was in his rear,

only one mile distant, and that without bridge or boats.

I also preached in Monticello, and was replied to by a Methodist

minister. My text was, “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel

to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,

and he that believeth not shall be damned.” The gospel, I said,

comprises the theological and moral doctrines that Jesus taught. He

told men, that God was the Father of the spirits of all flesh; that the

high and the low, the rich and the poor, the wise and the ignorant, the

black and the white, the slave and his master, were alike the children

of God, and belong to and compose one family; that the physical,

intellectual, and moral bounties of God’s store-house were accessible

to all, and that the Master of the feast invites all to partake freely

and live. He had doomed none, and never would doom any, to eternal

starvation. “Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters,

and ye that have no money, come, buy wine and milk without money and

without price.” If we are wise and partake of this feast of fat things,

we live, are blessed with salvation, and the kingdom of God, which is

righteousness, joy and peace in the holy spirit, reigns in the soul.

But if we shun the rich provisions of the Father’s board, walk on the

other side, choose darkness, error and sin, rather than light, truth

and virtue, woe be to us. Every heavenly principle, every law of God

condemns us, till we set our faces heavenward, and turn our steps

upward.

“There was not,” said the preacher, “one particle of gospel in that

sermon. Mankind were lost and ruined by the fall of Adam; the seal of

eternal damnation was _burnt_ deep into the hearts of all, by Adam’s

apostasy, and God became incarnate to make it _possible_ for man to be

saved. Those who believe in the incarnate God are saved from hell, from

the wrath of God, and the curse of the fall; but those who reject the

crucified Jesus, are lost beyond redemption, and the seal of damnation

will burn deeper and deeper into their immortal souls; they will be

abandoned by God, Christ, angels, and all the saints will say, _amen_.”

He was one of the most orthodox preachers I ever heard. When in the

pulpit, he was always harping on the mysterious jargons of Orthodoxy,

with his face elongated, and a countenance bordering on despair; but

out of the pulpit he was a boy, and a foolish boy too. When preaching

in Logansport, shortly after General Tipton died, a noted citizen of

that place, he cried, “There, General Tipton, that old sinner, is dead

and gone to hell.” A son of Mr. Tipton, soon after, met the preacher

on a long bridge at Logansport, and with a whip gave him a pretty hard

thrashing. He begged for mercy, and promised not to talk in that style

any more.

During the first two years I resided in Lafayette, I seldom met a

minister of my faith. There were only two others in Indiana at that

time, and they were in remote parts of the state, and being aged

men did not preach much, but after that time I had more ministerial

associates. D. Vines, of Frankfort, spoke some in public, and received

Letter of Fellowship. His intentions were good, but his qualifications

meager. He subsequently became a Swedenborgian, or a Spiritualist, and

I have lost sight of him. Samuel Oyler, of Jefferson, also entered the

ministry. He preached three or four years in the south part of the

state, and then came out a lawyer, and, I understand, he succeeds well

in that profession. I. M. Westfall, of Thornton, left the Methodist

church, of which he was a lay-member, and commenced preaching without

any preparation, save strong faith and ardent zeal. He possessed a

good mind, and soon became a popular speaker. He remained in Indiana

about one year, and then moved to Iowa City, Iowa. He continued in the

ministry till recently. At the present time he resides in Minnesota,

and is practising medicine. At Perrysville, where I had preached

monthly for two years, a meeting-house was erected, and a society

organized. Being in Oxford, Ohio, I met with B. F. Foster, a young

man, who had just commenced preaching, and prevailed on him to move to

Perrysville, and take charge of the society in that place. He, however,

soon left P. and located in Terre Haute, where our friends were

building a fine meeting-house. He has resided in Indiana ever since,

and is a popular and useful minister. He has been for many years pastor

of the society in Indianapolis, and at the present time he is State

Librarian.

An Association, embracing the country from Terre Haute to Lafayette,

called the Wabash Valley Association, was organized. The meeting that

organized it was held in Perrysville, and it was an enthusiastic

gathering. Seven or eight societies were represented, all recently

formed. Many went on horseback, in wagons and carriages, thirty, forty,

and fifty miles. Our friends were alive with zeal, and did not mind

traveling fifty miles to a good meeting.

The United Brethren held a noisy meeting in Warren county, and the

following lines were very popular with the Brethren, and they often

sung them:

The devil is mad,

And I am glad,

_Glory, O hallelujah_.

The devil may pout,

But I will shout.

_Glory, O hallelujah_.

I noticed this meeting, and quoted their popular hymn in the _Teacher_,

and the Brethren in that county were very indignant. At their next

meeting one of their preachers took up the matter. “That little

Universalist preacher,” said he, “that lives in Lafayette, and prints

that Universalist paper, is mad because we sing about his daddy.”

I attended, on a dark and gloomy night, a fanatical camp-meeting of

the Methodists, near Ladoga. It was held in a dense forest. When a

mile from the camp, I heard the noise of the nocturnal worshipers.

Arriving on the ground, the scene that opened to the vision, beggared

description. The whole camp seemed to be in an uproar. Preachers were

preaching, exhorters exhorting, singers singing, shouters shouting, and

jumpers were jumping. Some seemed to be suffering intense agony, others

as happy as clams at high water. Some kept their seats, while others

were hopping, skipping and jumping like chickens with their heads cut

off. One man ran past me without looking to the right or left. “Where

are you going?” said I. “To glory.” A preacher screamed as loud as his

lungs would allow, “The devil is in the camp, and must be driven out.

Get the horn, form in line, march round the ground three times, blow

the horn, the devil must be driven out, the walls of Jericho shall

fall.” The procession was formed, the horn was blown, and the march

was made. Whether Satan left the camp, and the said walls fell at this

demonstration, the master of the ceremony did not see proper to inform

us. I left the ground about midnight, when the excitement was under

full headway, and my reflections while walking back to the village were

as follows: Is this the proper way to worship God? Does he require

us to make fools of ourselves, and act like bedlamites? Is religion

fanaticism? Is regeneration an hallucination? I will not believe a

word of it. Religion consists in love to God and man. Noise, uproar,

fanaticism are not worship, are not religion, are not regeneration.

God speaks to the soul with the still small voice of inspiration and

intuition, and the truly pious make but little outward demonstration.

Empty wagons make much noise, heavy laden ones pass our streets

without hardly being heard. But then I do not wonder at the noise,

lamentation, agonizing, and every other extravagance, of these people.

They think God is frowning on this world, that his wrath is kindled to

its hottest pitch, that he has already banished most of the dead to

the infernal regions, and that during every moment of time crowds are

driven from earth to hell, and that we all stand on the very brink of

a bottomless pit. No wonder the victims of this terrible belief are

nearly insane. Strange they are not all raving mad. O God, enlighten

their minds concerning thee, whom to know is life eternal.

I visited Michigan City by request, and delivered four discourses.

The Episcopal clergyman of the place, took the trouble to go around

town, and destroy all the notices of the meetings that were tacked

up, and to tell the people not to go near me. But large congregations

attended, and all seemed much interested. In one of my lectures I gave

a history of the “rise and progress” of the Episcopal Church. Stated

that it was conceived in sin and brought forth in iniquity; that Henry

VIII., universally admitted to have been the most beastly monarch

that ever reigned in England, was the first Episcopalian, and the

father of the sect; that church from Henry’s day to this day has been

a proud, arrogant, insolent, overbearing concern; in England it draws

half of its support from unwilling pockets, from those who belong to

other communions; that it cares not who starves provided its priests,

bishops, and lords live in indolence, race horses, chase foxes, and

drink brandy; it never took but one short step from the Catholic

Church, the mother of harlots, and it was now creeping back into the

arms of its old mamma; but there are some live men and women in the

church, and they deplore the stupidity, coldness and old hunkerism of

the lifeless body to which they are bound.

The distance from Lafayette to Michigan City, is about one hundred

miles, and for fifteen miles on each side of the Kankakee river, there

was not, in those days, a house. It commenced raining on my way to

Michigan City, when I had reached the south margin of that wilderness

of prairie, and it poured down in torrents till I made the first house,

thirty miles distant. It was a swamp nearly all the way, and the

flood of that day made the road, such as it was, nearly impassable. I

sometimes thought I should have to return; but about ten at night I

reached a cabin, drenched with rain, covered with mud, and as hungry as

a bear.

A Presbyterian elder, by the name of Smith, was eager for a debate, and

he was gratified. We occupied the Presbyterian church in Dayton, and

the poor elder did one pretty hard day’s work. He was frightened out of

most of his wits; his nerves were unstrung, and his hand so trembled

he could not hold his Bible to read his texts. I pitied him, but dealt

as hard blows as I could strike. He was disgusted with himself, and

proposed, a few weeks after, to try again, hoping to do better. We

spent two days at Rossville, near his home, and he then willingly

retired without further debating.

A few days after this affair, I spent four days in discussion with

Mr. Coon, a Scotch Presbyterian, and Calvinistic “up to the hub.” He

was a prominent man in his church, intelligent, and well educated. He

subsequently published a book of three or four hundred pages, against

the doctrine of the Restitution, and in defense of eternal punishment.

The discussion was held in Jefferson; and though the weather was

intensely cold, a large number attended. Mr. Coon was a strong man, and

all were anxious to hear. He had thoroughly prepared himself for the

work. It required two or three men to carry his books to and from the

church. I had my Bible, and perhaps two or three other books. He talked

English, and Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew. Mr. Taylor, a Presbyterian

minister, who had just closed an eight days’ debate with John O’Kane,

of the Campbellite Church, was one of the moderators, and he prayed for

Mr. Coon, imploring the Lord to help him on that important occasion.

“These shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous

into life eternal,” (Matt. xxv. 46,) was one of his proof-texts. “It is

evident,” said he, “that this passage teaches the endless punishment

of the wicked, for the following reasons: 1. It relates to what would

transpire at the _end of the world_. This, and the preceding chapter,

is an answer to the questions, ‘What shall be the signs of thy coming,

and of the _end of the world_?’ Matt. xxiv. 3. 2. ‘These’ were to

go into everlasting punishment when Christ would come the _second

time_, and that event was to take place at the end of the world. 3.

Everlasting is from the same Greek word that is rendered _eternal_,

and consequently the everlasting punishment is to continue as long as

the eternal life. If one will end so will the other end. 4. The best

scholars tell us, that the Greek word here rendered everlasting and

eternal, signifies _endless duration_.”

I replied: Mr. Coon tells us, that his text was to be fulfilled at the

end of the world spoken of in Matthew xxiv. He is doubtless correct.

Now, learned men of all denominations tell us, that _world_ there

means the Jewish Dispensation, and the _end_ of the world the end of

that Dispensation. Most of them translate the passage, “end of the

AGE.” It is so rendered by Doddridge, Macknight, Whitby, Pearce, Le

Clerc, Hammond, Wakefield and Kenrick--all learned men, and save one

or two, advocates of endless misery. The word, _world_ is often used

in this sense in the New Testament. “Now once in the end of the world

hath Christ appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

Heb. ix. 24. Christ did appear at the end of the Jewish Dispensation

for that purpose. The Jews divided time into _two ages_--the _age

before_ Christ, and the _age after_ Christ. The _first age_ ended, as

Paul says, “when Christ appeared.” The end of _the world_, then, took

place eighteen hundred years ago, and _then_ the gentleman’s text was

fulfilled.

2. When Christ was to come the second time, some were to go away

into everlasting punishment. When was he thus to come? In this same

discourse Jesus speaks of that coming, and affirms, that it would take

place in _that generation_. “And then shall appear the sign of the

Son of man, ... and they shall see the Son of man coming.” He then

states when he would come: “This _generation_ shall not pass till all

these things be fulfilled.” Matt. xxiv. 30, 34. On another occasion,

addressing his disciples, he said, “But when they persecute you in this

city, flee ye into another; for verily I say unto you, ye shall not

have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of man be come.” Matt.

x. 27. He would come so soon that the disciples would not be able to

visit all of Israel’s cities. At another time he said, “For the Son of

man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then

he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto

you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till

they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” Matt. xvi. 27, 28. He

was to come the second time before some who heard these words would

die. He intimated that the apostle John would live to witness this

coming. “Peter seeing John, saith to Jesus, Lord, what shall this man

do? Jesus saith to him, If I will that he _tarry till I come_, what is

that to thee? Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that

the disciple would not die; yet Jesus said not to him, He shall not

die; but, If I will that he _tarry till I come_, what is that to thee.”

John xxi. 21-23. It requires considerable effort to misunderstand these

plain declarations. Jesus told his hearers, that he would come the

second time, 1. In the generation in which he lived; 2. So soon the

disciples would not have time to visit all Judah’s cities; 3. Before

some he addressed would die; 4. That John, the beloved disciple, might

live to see him come. In the face of all this testimony, Mr. Coon tells

us, that coming is _yet a future event_! But the truth is, that coming

took place at the _beginning_ of the Christian Dispensation, at the

_ushering in_ of the Gospel Age, at the _setting up_ of the kingdom of

God. The revelator, who was the disciple John, says, he “saw the holy

city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven.” Rev. xxi. 3.

Judaism had passed away, Paganism was dead, and a new order of things

had commenced--old things had passed away, all things had become new.

The world had entered on a _new era_. This is what Christ meant by his

coming in _power_ and _glory_.

3. The gentleman truly says, that everlasting and eternal are from

the same original word. He then _assumes_ that “eternal life” in his

text means endless blessedness, and then _infers_, that “everlasting

punishment” means endless wretchedness. His assumption and inference

are alike fictions. According to the New Testament, the Christian, in

this world, is in possession of eternal or everlasting life. “He that

believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.” “Verily, verily, I say unto

you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH

EVERLASTING LIFE, and shall not come into condemnation, but IS PASSED

from death unto life.” John v. 24. “This is LIFE eternal, that they

might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast

sent.” John xvii. 3. Eternal life is gospel life--_spiritual life_,

and every Christian man and woman is now in possession of this life.

When a person is _alive_ to every thing holy and good, possesses the

spirit of Christ, and lives the life of Christ, it may be truly said

of him, he “HATH everlasting life.” So, when a man’s character is the

reverse of this, when he is a son of error and sin, it may be truly

said of him, he HATH everlasting punishment. If everlasting life can be

enjoyed here, cannot everlasting punishment be suffered here? Again,

a person may be a Christian to-day, and consequently in possession of

everlasting life; but his love may wax cold, he may become a sinner,

an unbeliever, an infidel; he will then be no longer in possession of

everlasting life. So, an infidel and a sinner of to-day may become a

saint, like St. Paul; he then passes from death to life, from suffering

everlasting punishment to the possession of everlasting life. But, by

everlasting punishment, Jesus had direct reference to the temporal

desolation that was soon to befall his countrymen at the end of the

Jewish Dispensation. The kingdom was to be taken from them, and they

were to be cast out into outer darkness, till the fullness of the

Gentiles should come in.

4. Mr. Coon informs us, that the Greek terms, _aion_, _aionios_, mean

endless duration. These are two forms of one word. _Aion_ is a noun,

and _ios_ added to it, forms the adjective. This word occurs in these

two forms three times in the twenty-fourth and twenty-fifth chapters of

Matthew. In the twenty-fourth chapter, the disciples inquired of Jesus,

“What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the _end of the world_?”

These two chapters answer these two questions. Now, _world_ is from

_aion_, the same word rendered everlasting, and eternal, in the text.

There was then to be an _end_ to _aion_. Mr. Coon tells us, that this

word means _duration without end_, and in the same speech cites the

same word to prove that it (_aion_) is to _end_! One passage explains

the other. In one place Jesus speaks of _aionios_ punishment, without

stating whether he means endless or limited time; in the other place

the apostles inquire concerning the _end_ of the _aion_, and Jesus in

answering their question, tells them, that it _shall end_, “but,” he

adds, “the _end_ is not yet.” Many things would transpire before that

event would occur. “He that endureth to the _end_ shall be saved....

And the gospel of this kingdom shall be preached in all the world for

a witness to all nations; and then shall the _end_ come.... Verily,

verily, I say unto you, _this generation_ shall not pass, _till all

these things be fulfilled_.” Matt. xxiv. 6, 13, 14, 34. We have, then,

the word of Jesus for it, that _aion_, and consequently, _aionios_,

everlasting punishment, may end. I will give the true definition of

_aion_, according to learned men--all believers in endless woe:

SCHLEUSNER.--“Any space of time, whether longer or shorter, past,

present, or future, to be determined by the persons or things spoken

of, and the scope of the subject--the life or age of man; any space in

which we measure human life, from birth to death.”

DONNEGAN.--“_Aion_, time; a space of time; lifetime and life; the

ordinary period of man’s life; the age of man; man’s estate; a long

period of time; eternity. _Aionios_, of long duration; eternal,

lasting, permanent.”

SCHREVELIUS.--“_Aion_, an age, a long period of time; indefinite

duration; time, whether longer or shorter, past, present or future;

life, the life of man. _Aionios_, of long duration, lasting, sometimes

everlasting, sometimes lasting through life.”

This is the definition learned men give the word. I will now show that

the Bible attaches the same meaning to it.

1st. _Everlasting._ “And I will give unto thee and thy seed, all the

land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession.” Gen. xvii. 8.

“And I will make of thee a multitude of people, and will give this land

(Canaan) to thy seed after thee, for an everlasting possession.” Gen.

xlviii. 4.

Now, was this possession to be endless? No, for it ceased long ago!

But let me read still more: “Unto the utmost bounds of the everlasting

hills”--“The everlasting mountains were scattered.” Hab. iii. 6. The

gentleman believes that the everlasting hills and mountains will all be

destroyed when the world comes to an end!

“For their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood.” Exod.

xl. 15. “And he (Phinehas) shall have it, and his seed after him, even

the covenant, for an everlasting priesthood.” Num. xxv. 13. “And this

shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the

children of Israel once every year.” Lev. xvi. 34. Was the priesthood

to be of endless duration? or has it not long since been abolished by

the priesthood of Christ? Such, my friends, is a sample of the Bible

use of this word.

2d. _Forever._ “He (Solomon) shall build me an house, and I will

establish it forever.” 1 Chron. xvii. 12. This house although

established forever, was long since torn down and destroyed! “For

the land which thou seest, to thee (Abram) will I give it, and to

thy seed forever.” Gen. xiii. 15. “You will keep it (the passover) a

feast by an ordinance forever.” Exod. xii. 14. Was the observance of

the passover to be of endless duration? “They shall be your bondsmen

forever.” Lev. xxv. 46. Were they to be bondsmen throughout duration?

“I went to the bottom of the mountains; the earth with her bars was

about me forever”--that is, three days! Jonah ii. 6. “The righteous

shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.” Ps. xxxvii. 29. Are

the righteous to dwell in a land endlessly? “And his master shall bore

his ear through with an awl, and he shall serve him forever,”--that

is, as long as he live. Exod. xxi. 6. “And they shall dwell in the

land that I have given my servant Jacob, wherein your fathers have

dwelt, and they shall dwell therein, forever; and my servant David

shall be their prince forever.” Ezek. xxvii. 25. This needs no comment.

“But Judah shall dwell forever, and Jerusalem from generation to

generation,”--from _genea_ to _genea_. “For I have told him that I will

judge his house forever, for the iniquity which he knoweth.” Will the

Almighty be endlessly judging the house of Eli? And if to judge forever

does not mean endless judgment, why should to punish forever mean

endless punishment? Can any one tell? Paul, writing to Philemon, says

of Onesimus,--“For perhaps he departed for a season, that thou shouldst

receive him forever”--not endlessly, surely!

This noted passage, then, affords no evidence that punishment will be

inflicted duration without end. Dr. Samuel Johnson, the great moralist

and writer of the last century, speaking of this passage, and others of

like character, says: “They may admit of a mitigated interpretation.”

The discussion continued four days--closed Saturday evening. I

delivered a _practical_ discourse on Sunday morning, made no reference

to the debate, and at the close organized a society. Mr. Coon preached

in the afternoon, and the discussion was his _text_. He misrepresented

me, the good faith, and poured out volleys of abuse on all who did not

subscribe to his fire and brimstone creed. I replied in the evening,

and handled Calvinism without gloves, but he kept out of the way.

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