G. WASHINGTON.

MONDAY, December 9.

GABRIEL CHRISTIE, from Maryland, THOMAS CLAIBORNE and GEORGE HANCOCK,

from Virginia, JOSEPH WINSTON, from North Carolina, JOHN HUNTER and

ANDREW PICKENS, from South Carolina, appeared, produced their

credentials, and took their seats in the House.

TUESDAY, December 10.

The House resumed the reading of the communications received from the

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, on Thursday last, and made a further

progress therein.

WEDNESDAY, December 11.

BENJAMIN BOURNE and FRANCIS MALBONE, from Rhode Island, appeared,

produced their credentials, and took their seats in the House.

FRIDAY, December 13.

THOMAS TREDWELL, from New York, and JOHN PATTON, from Delaware,

appeared, produced their credentials, and took their seats.

_Ordered_, That a committee be appointed to prepare and bring in a bill

to establish a uniform system of bankruptcy throughout the United

States; and that Mr. GILES, Mr. WILLIAM SMITH, Mr. AMES, Mr. HARTLEY,

Mr. HILLHOUSE, Mr. FITZSIMONS, and Mr. BOUDINOT, be the said committee.

MONDAY, December 16.

SAMUEL DEXTER, Junior, from Massachusetts, JOSHUA COIT and ZEPHANIAH

SWIFT, from Connecticut, and RICHARD WINN, from South Carolina,

appeared, produced their credentials, and took their seats.

THURSDAY, December 19.

The SPEAKER laid before the House a letter from the Secretary of State,

accompanying a report on the privileges and restrictions on the commerce

of the United States in foreign countries, made pursuant to a resolution

of the House of the twenty-third of February, one thousand seven hundred

and ninety-one; which was read, and ordered to be committed to the

Committee of the whole House, to whom are committed the confidential

communications from the PRESIDENT respecting the measures which have

been pursued for obtaining a recognition of the treaty between the

United States and Morocco, and for the ransom of prisoners and

establishment of peace with the Algerines.

FRIDAY, December 20.

WILLIAM HINDMAN, from Maryland, and SAMUEL GRIFFIN, from Virginia,

appeared, produced their credentials, and took their seats.

MONDAY, December 23.

ALEXANDER D. ORR, from Kentucky, appeared, produced his credentials, and

took his seat in the House.

THURSDAY, December 26.

A petition of Abram Trigg, of the State of Virginia, was presented to

the House and read, complaining of an undue election and return of

Francis Preston, to serve as a member of this House for the said State.

_Ordered_, That the said petition be referred to the Committee of

Elections; that they do examine the matter thereof, and report the same,

with their opinion thereon, to the House.

FRIDAY, December 27.

DANIEL HEISTER, from Pennsylvania, appeared, produced his credentials,

and took his seat in the House.

WEDNESDAY, January 1, 1794.

URIAH FORREST and THOMAS SPRIGG, from Maryland, appeared, produced their

credentials, and took their seats in the House.

THURSDAY, January 2.

ISAAC COLES, from Virginia, and WILLIAM BARRY GROVE, from North

Carolina, appeared, produced their credentials, and took their seats in

the House.

FRIDAY, January 3.

_Commerce of the United States._[48]

The House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the

Report of the Secretary of State on the privileges and restrictions on

the commerce of the United States in foreign countries.

Mr. MADISON, after some general observations on the report, entered into

a more particular consideration of the subject. He remarked, that the

commerce of the United States is not, at this day, on that respectable

footing to which, from its nature and importance, it is entitled. He

recurred to its situation previous to the adoption of the constitution,

when conflicting systems prevailed in the different States. The then

existing state of things gave rise to that Convention of Delegates from

the different parts of the Union, who met to deliberate on some general

principles for the regulation of commerce, which might be conducive, in

their operation, to the general welfare, and that such measures should

be adopted as would conciliate the friendship and good faith of those

countries who were disposed to enter into the nearest commercial

connections with us. But what has been the result of the system which

has been pursued ever since? What is the present situation of our

commerce? From the situation in which we find ourselves after four

years' experiment, he observed, that it appeared incumbent on the United

States to see whether they could not now take measures promotive of

those objects for which the Government was in a great degree instituted.

Measures of moderation, firmness, and decision, he was persuaded, were

now necessary to be adopted, in order to narrow the sphere of our

commerce with those nations who see proper not to meet us on terms of

reciprocity.

Mr. M. then read the following resolutions:

[The principle of these resolutions will be best seen in

the debates upon them.]

Mr. M. took a general view of the probable effects which the adoption of

something like the resolutions he had proposed, would produce. They

would produce, respecting many articles imported, a competition which

would enable countries who do not now supply us with those articles, to

do it, and would increase the encouragement on such as we can produce

within ourselves. We should also obtain an equitable share in carrying

our own produce; we should enter into the field of competition on equal

terms, and enjoy the actual benefit of advantages which nature and the

spirit of our people entitle us to.

He adverted to the advantageous situation this country is entitled to

stand in, considering the nature of our exports and returns. Our exports

are bulky, and therefore must employ much shipping, which might be

nearly all our own: our exports are chiefly necessaries of life, or raw

materials, the food for the manufacturers of other nations. On the

contrary, the chief of what we receive from other countries, we can

either do without, or produce substitutes.

It is in the power of the United States, he conceived, by exerting her

natural rights, without violating the rights, or even the equitable

pretensions of other nations--by doing no more than most nations do for

the protection of their interests, and much less than some, to make her

interests respected; for, what we receive from other nations are but

luxuries to us, which, if we choose to throw aside, we could deprive

part of the manufacturers of those luxuries, of even bread, if we are

forced to the contest of self-denial. This being the case, our country

may make her enemies feel the extent of her power. We stand, with

respect to the nation exporting those luxuries, in the relation of an

opulent individual to the laborer, in producing the superfluities for

his accommodation; the former can do without those luxuries, the

consumption of which gives bread to the latter.

He did not propose, or wish that the United States should at present go

so far in the line which his resolutions point to, as they might go. The

extent to which the principles involved in those resolutions should be

carried, will depend upon filling up the blanks. To go to the very

extent of the principle immediately, might be inconvenient. He wished,

only, that the Legislature should mark out the ground on which we think

we can stand; perhaps it may produce the effect wished for, without

unnecessary irritation; we need not at first go every length.

Another consideration would induce him, he said, to be moderate in

filling up the blanks--not to wound public credit. He did not wish to

risk any sensible diminution of the public revenue. He believed that if

the blanks were filled with judgment, the diminution of the revenue,

from a diminution in the quantity of imports, would be counterbalanced

by the increase in the duties.

The last resolution he had proposed, he said, is, in a manner, distinct

from the rest. The nation is bound by the most sacred obligation, he

conceived, to protect the rights of its citizens against a violation of

them from any quarter; or, if they cannot protect, they are bound to

repay the damage.

It is a fact authenticated to this House by communications from the

Executive, that there are regulations established by some European

nations; contrary to the Law of Nations, by which our property is

seized and disposed of in such a way that damages have accrued. We are

bound either to obtain reparation for the injustice, or compensate the

damage. It is only in the first instance, no doubt, that the burden is

to be thrown upon the United States. The proper department of Government

will, no doubt, take proper steps to obtain redress. The justice of

foreign nations will certainly not permit them to deny reparation when

the breach of the Law of Nations appears evidently; at any rate, it is

just that the individual should not suffer. He believed the amount of

the damages that would come within the meaning of this resolution, would

not be very considerable.

Mr. M.'s resolutions being seconded, were presented and read by the

Clerk.

Mr. W. SMITH rose to make some remarks on the observations of Mr.

MADISON, when a motion was made by Mr. FITZSIMONS, that the committee

should rise, and report progress, and that the House should give order

for printing the resolutions.

After some further remarks by two or three members, Mr. MADISON said he

had no wish to precipitate the discussion; he was content that the

committee should now rise, and that a future early day should be

assigned.

MONDAY, January 6.

JAMES GILLESPIE, from North Carolina, appeared, produced his

credentials, and took his seat in the House.

_Pay of Soldiers._

The House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the

bill for completing and better supporting the Military Establishment of

the United States. The bill being read,

On the clause of the bill for augmenting the pay of the soldiers from

three to four dollars per month, Mr. IRVINE proposed an addition of a

fifth dollar, which seemed to meet the unanimous sense of the members;

but Mr. CLARK thought this last augmentation too great. They might, in

this way of proceeding, raise the pay in time to ten dollars a month.

Mr. SCOTT was of opinion that there was no just proportion between the

wages of ordinary labor and that of military service. He could not hire

a workman, who was to sleep at peace in his bed, and to dine at a good

table, for the pay that was given to a soldier for enduring the

hardships of his dangerous profession. An augmentation of their pay

would flatter the troops. It would put them in good humor; and therefore

he hoped that the five dollars would be carried through the House.

Mr. SMILIE said, that the expense of living had been considerably raised

in every part of the United States. The pay of the soldiers ought, in

common justice, to be advanced in an equal degree with that of the other

persons employed in the service of the State. Congress had lately

received a petition from some gentlemen employed in the public offices

of Philadelphia. The officers of the army had been talking of a similar

necessity of an advance in their pay. The United States ought to pay

well, that they might obtain good men. Many recruits had, upon late

occasions, enlisted, and several of them in Philadelphia, who never

should have been admitted into the Military Establishment of any nation

whatever.

Mr. WADSWORTH did not see any reason for the proposed additional dollar

per month. If he had thought it necessary, he should have been very

ready to mention it. In the States north of Pennsylvania, the wages of a

common laborer were not, upon the whole, superior to those of a common

soldier. It had been alleged that, by augmenting the pay of the troops,

we should get better men. This was a doctrine which he, for one, did not

understand. The present Western Army were as good troops as ever went

into the field, and much better than the late Continental Army. Men of a

sober character did not and would not enlist. Recruits might have very

good morals, and it was certain that many honest men did not love labor.

Curiosity, levity, the heat of youth, and other very excusable motives,

sent people to the army; but it never was, nor never will be, the place

where a thoughtful and industrious private man would be ambitious to

exert his talents. For this reason, he was convinced that to enlarge the

pay would answer no good purpose. As to the militia, who were, many of

them, substantial people, it was in vain to imagine that they would

fulfil the end of an army in the Indian war. They had been tried, and

the experiment had failed. He again adverted to the impossibility of

supplying the ranks with recruits above the most ordinary classes of

life. He never had seen an army, such as it was believed that the

additional dollar would assemble, and he despaired ever to see such an

army. There was, however, an act of bounty, which might be of infinite

service to the troops, and which he should take a future opportunity of

moving. He referred to a provision for the widows and children of such

soldiers as should happen to lose their lives in the service.

Mr. BOUDINOT said, that he should be very sorry to recommend the

augmentation, if he thought that it would induce farmers, and sober,

industrious people to quit their families and professions in exchange

for a military life. This, he thought, would indeed be a very alarming

consequence, and, did he apprehend it, he should undoubtedly oppose the

intended increase. He had no apprehensions of that kind. America would

be in a very bad situation, indeed, if an additional pay of twelve

dollars a year could bribe a farmer or manufacturer to enlist. He should

look very strange at any of his neighbors who should tell him that they

had embraced such an offer. Instead of augmenting the pay, perhaps it

was better to add something to the rations; those, for example, of salt

and flour. He thought it safest to agree to the four dollars, because

if they voted for five, the bill would probably be thrown out of the

other House; and thus, by grasping at too much, the movers of the

amendment would lose the bill altogether. Originally, troops had been

raised for less than two dollars per month. The pay had since been

augmented to three, and was now on the way of being raised to four. He

wished to make its advances gradual. If we looked at the situations of

other countries, and contemplated the state of their finances, we should

be convinced that America paid her troops as well in proportion to her

ability as any other people in the world, and that her soldiers had no

right to complain.

Mr. MONTGOMERY spoke a few words in favor of an advance to five dollars.

Mr. SCOTT said, that Pennsylvania had some time ago raised a few

companies of soldiers for her frontier service, and given them two

pounds ten shillings currency per month, which was equal to six dollars

and two-thirds. In consequence of this, the companies had been filled

with some of the most respectable kind of people in the country. They

were quite of a different class from the recruits raised for the Western

Army. He wished to try the five dollars. This superior pay was reported

to have hurt the Continental recruiting service. He thought it very

possible that such had been the case. If Government give the proposed

five dollars, the Continental Army might, perhaps, get all the levies

which it wanted from these very companies.

Mr. HUNTER would have voted for six dollars.

Mr. BEATTY said, that he was for giving five dollars, from a conviction

that it was requisite for the service.

Mr. SMILIE was decidedly for the additional augmentation. The recruits,

he said, who had been raised in this city were sad fellows, and not fit

to be trusted. Better pay would bring forward better men.

Mr. SMITH said that, as to the rate of labor, good men were hired to

work in Vermont for eighteen pounds a year, which is equal to four

dollars per month, and out of that they find their own clothes. He

thought it a very dangerous plan to raise the wages of soldiers at this

time, when every article was above its natural price; because, when

things return to their old level, it would be impossible to reduce their

wages. The people of Europe had, by their wars, increased the demand for

the produce of our farms, and this had raised the wages of labor. The

members of Congress had six dollars per day, and it would be no easy

matter to alter that, which he seemed to hint might not be quite

improper. He thought that high pay would only serve to make the soldiers

get drunk. It would be much better to give them some substantial

gratification at the end of the service.

Mr. WADSWORTH said that the army, in getting four dollars, got plenty,

and he despaired of seeing five dollars pass through that House; but,

were they to vote twenty dollars, they never would be able to enlist

that class of men whom it was expected five dollars would collect. A

member had mentioned, as a proof of the possibility of enlisting the

sons of farmers, the instance of a party in one of the New England

States, who had formed themselves into a military body, and had gone

westward in quest of a settlement, but were cut to pieces by the

Indians. He knew this; and he had likewise heard of others who had since

gone from the same quarter, and upon the same errand. He had inquired

about their characters, and had found, just as he had expected, that

they were very honest, good sort of people, but somewhat of a rambling

disposition, and not remarkably industrious. As to the notion of

enlisting men, and attaching them to their country, by five dollars a

month, it would not do. The old Continental Army were very good

soldiers, but certainly some of them did not fight for the sake of their

country, since they deserted by scores. They were, however, brought

back, and fought very well. Their reasons for deserting, he did not

pretend to know; but this he knew, that they were very idle and very

worthless fellows, which did not hinder them from doing their duty. Mr.

W. added, that it was a mistake to propose giving five dollars a month

for fear that we should not be able to get recruits. In a short time our

communication by sea would be cut off. We would likewise be prevented

from emigrations into the back country. Recruits would then be had in

the greatest abundance for four dollars a month, as great numbers of

people would then be thrown out of employment, and enlist for want of

it.

The amendment to the bill, of adding two dollars instead of one, was

rejected.

Mr. CLARK then moved, as an amendment of the bill, that there should be

an addition of four ounces of bread or flour, and four ounces of meat to

each ration.

Mr. HARTLEY was for augmenting the rations. He knew that they were too

small. In cultivated countries they might do, but not in the backwoods,

where vegetables were not to be had.

Mr. WADSWORTH was convinced that the rations were sufficient unless on a

march. He spoke, he said, from experience.

Mr. GILES had been frequently informed by officers in the army, that the

rations were all defective. In the backwoods, the soldiers had been

often reduced to such distress for want of vegetables, as to go in

search of acorns to supply their place.

Mr. FITZSIMONS said, that he had been informed that the principal

objection to the rations was the inferior quality of the meat, and that

this arose from the leanness of the cattle, as being exhausted by hard

driving. Instead, therefore, of a regular increase, it might perhaps be

better to provide for accidental contingencies.

Mr. MURRAY moved, and his motion was seconded, to amend the amendment by

striking out the words, and "four ounces of meat."

Mr. SMITH said, that an aide-de-camp, who was his relation, and now

serving in the army, had wrote him that they were just now well fed,

well clothed, in good health, and as good spirits as an army had ever

enjoyed. The reason of the common rations of provisions failing in a

march, was owing to the waste in cooking. The amendment of Mr. CLARK,

and the additional amendment of Mr. MURRAY, were both withdrawn.

The committee now rose and reported the amendment, and the bill and

amendment were ordered to lie on the table.

_Resolved_, That a committee be appointed to report whether any, and

what, alteration ought to be made in the ration now allowed to the

troops of the United States; and that Mr. IRVINE, Mr. DEARBORN, and Mr.

HEISTER, be the said committee.

TUESDAY, January 7.

_Flag of the United States._

The House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the

bill sent from the Senate, entitled "An act making an alteration in the

Flag of the United States."

Mr. GOODHUE thought it a trifling business, which ought not to engross

the attention of the House, when it was their duty to discuss matters of

infinitely greater consequence. If we are to alter the flag from

thirteen to fifteen stripes, with two additional stars, because Vermont

and Kentucky have been added, we may go on adding and altering at this

rate for one hundred years to come. It is very likely, before fifteen

years elapse, we shall consist of twenty States. The flag ought to be

permanent.

Mr. LYMAN was of a different opinion. He thought it of the greatest

consequence not to offend the new States.

Mr. THATCHER ridiculed the idea of being at so much trouble, as a

consummate specimen of frivolity. At this rate, every State should alter

its public seal when an additional county or township was formed. He was

sorry to see the House take up their time with such trifles.

Mr. GREENUP considered it of very great consequence to inform the rest

of the world that we had now two additional States.

Mr. NILES was very sorry that such a matter should even for a moment

have hindered the House from going into more important affairs. He did

not think the alteration either worth the trouble of adopting or

rejecting; but he supposed that the shortest way to get rid of it was to

agree to it, and for that reason, and no other, he advised to pass it as

soon as possible.

The committee agreed to it, and the Chairman reported the bill. The

House then took it up.

Mr. BOUDINOT thought it of consequence to keep the citizens of Vermont

and Kentucky in good humor. They might be affronted at our rejecting the

bill.

Mr. GOODHUE said, he felt for the honor of the House, when spending

their time on such sort of business. But, since it must be passed, he

had only to beg this favor, that it might not appear upon the journals,

and go into the world as the first of the bills passed this session.

Mr. MADISON was for the bill passing.

Mr. GILES thought it very proper that the idea should be preserved of

the number of our States, and the number of stripes corresponding. The

expense was but trifling, compared with that of forming the Government

of a new State.

Mr. SMITH said, that this alteration would cost him five hundred

dollars, and every vessel in the Union sixty. He could not conceive what

the Senate meant by sending them such bills. He supposed that it must be

for want of something better to do. He should indulge them, but let us

have no more alterations of this sort. Let the flag be permanent.

It was ordered that the bill be read a third time to-morrow.

FRIDAY, January 10.

_French Emigrants from St. Domingo._

Mr. SAMUEL SMITH, from the committee to whom was referred the petition

of William Patterson, Samuel Sterrett, and Gustavus Scott, the committee

appointed by the Legislature of Maryland to draw and distribute the

moneys granted by that State for the relief of the French emigrants from

the Island of St. Domingo, made a report:

Mr. S. SMITH said, that there never was a more noble and prompt display

of the most exalted feelings, than had been exhibited on this occasion.

He believed that such a scene of distress had never before been seen in

America. Three thousand fugitives had been at once landed, without the

least previous expectation of their arrival. The whole inhabitants

instantly assembled, and deputed a committee, of which he was one, to go

on board the vessels, and examine their situation. Thirteen thousand

dollars were instantly subscribed. Fifteen hundred of these people were

quite helpless; three hundred and fifty of them were old men, or women

without their husbands, or children without their parents. Some had

credit, and some had not. Five hundred of them had been sent to France

by the Minister, at the expense of the Republic; the rest remain in this

country.

Mr. MADISON wished to relieve the sufferers, but was afraid of

establishing a dangerous precedent, which might hereafter be perverted

to the countenance of purposes very different from those of charity. He

acknowledged, for his own part, that he could not undertake to lay his

finger on that article in the Federal Constitution which granted a right

to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their

constituents. And if once they broke the line laid down before them, for

the direction of their conduct, it was impossible to say to what

lengths they might go, or to what extremities this practice might be

carried. He did not agree with the member who spoke last, that nothing

like the generosity of America had ever been heard of before. As one

example in contradiction to this assertion, he mentioned, that when the

city of Lisbon had, in 1755, been overwhelmed by an earthquake, the

Parliament of England instantly voted one hundred thousand pounds for

the support of the sufferers. In doing this, they had, he believed,

acted in unison with the feelings of the British nation, and such

feelings did that nation the utmost honor. He likewise imagined, that

the Parliament had acted agreeably to the British Constitution, which

allowed them an indefinite and absolute right in disposing of the money

of their constituents. But as to the American Congress, the case was

widely different. He was satisfied that the citizens of the United

States possessed an equal degree of magnanimity, generosity, and

benevolence, with the people of Britain, but this House certainly did

not possess an undefined authority correspondent with that of a British

Parliament. He wished that some other mode could be devised for

assisting the French sufferers than by an act of Congress. He was in

hopes that some other mode, equally effectual, and less exceptionable,

might be devised. As to what our Executive Government had already done,

as quoted from the official despatches by the gentleman who spoke last,

the inference did not apply; for in that emergency, a delay would have

been equivalent to a total denial. It had been said, that we owed the

French every sentiment of gratitude. It was true; but it was likewise

true that we owed them something else than sentiments, for we were

indebted to them a very large sum of money. One of the instalments of

that debt would be due in a short time, and perhaps it might be safest

for Congress to advance the sums now wanted for the French refugees, in

part of that debt, and leave it to the decision of the French Ministry

whether they would accept of such a payment or not. He did not wish to

press this expedient upon the House, but he begged leave to submit it to

their consideration; and as he had not yet been able to resolve in his

own mind what line of conduct the House ought to pursue, he requested

that the discussion of the question might for a short time be deferred.

Mr. CLARK wished that the gentleman who spoke last would be careful of

preserving consistency. It was only a few days ago that he had laid

before the House a resolution, by which Congress were to indemnify all

such citizens of the United States as had suffered losses by the British

pirates. He supposed that for this, there would be found as little

authority in the articles of the constitution, as for relieving the

fugitives from Cape François.

Mr. MADISON, in explanation, replied, that the two cases were widely

different. The vessels of America sailed under our flag, and were under

our protection, by the law of nations, which the French sufferers

unquestionably were not. As to the resolution he had proposed, it was

not then before the House, and hence he could not speak to it with

propriety. It was very possible that the House might find it wrong, and

reject it. He wished not to be misunderstood, for he was sure that every

member in that House felt the warmest sympathy with the situation of the

sufferers. He would be very glad to find a proper way for their relief.

Mr. NICHOLAS said, that he had not been able to discover upon what

authority the House were to grant the proposed donation. If the question

should that day come to a vote, which he trusted it would not, he had

resolved to give his voice in favor of the sufferers: but, when he

returned to his constituents, he would honestly tell them that he

considered himself as having exceeded his powers, and so cast himself on

their mercy. He felt many obstacles to voting away this money without

further deliberation.

Mr. BOUDINOT declared, that he had never been able to discover any

difficulty in the matter. By the law of nature, by the law of

nations--in a word, by every moral obligation that could influence

mankind, we were bound to relieve the citizens of a Republic who were at

present our allies, and who had formerly been our benefactors. He could

not for a moment endure the idea of a hesitation on such a question.

When a number of our fellow-creatures had been cast upon our sympathy,

in a situation of such unexampled wretchedness, was it possible that

gentlemen could make a doubt whether it was our duty to relieve them? It

had been said that the House was not, by the constitution, authorized to

give away money for such purposes. He was satisfied, that to refuse the

assistance requested, would be to act in direct opposition both to the

theory and practice of the constitution. In the first place, as to the

practice, it had been said that nothing of this kind had ever occurred

before under the Federal Constitution. He was astonished at such an

affirmation. Did not the Indians frequently come down to this city, on

embassies respecting the regulating of trade, and other business--and

did not the Executive, without consulting Congress at all, pay their

lodgings for weeks, nay, for whole months together? and was not this

merely because the Indians were unable to pay for themselves? Nobody

ever questioned the propriety of that act of charity. Again; when

prisoners of war were taken, there was no clause in the constitution

authorizing Congress to provide for their subsistence: yet it was well

known that they would not be suffered to starve. Provision was instantly

made for them, before we could tell whether the nation to whom they

belonged would pay such expenses, or would not pay them. It was very

true that an instalment would soon be due to France, nor did he object

to reimbursement in that way, if it could be so obtained. But, in the

mean time, relief must be given, for he was convinced that he had still

stronger obligations to support the citizens of our allies than either

Indians or prisoners of war. In the second place, as to the theory of

the constitution, he referred gentlemen to the first clause of the

eighth section of it. By that clause Congress were warranted to provide

for exigencies regarding _the general welfare_, and he was sure this

case came under that description.

Mr. FITZSIMONS thought that it would be expedient to lose as little time

as possible in going into the committee. It was hard on the State of

Maryland to support of itself such an immense number of people. Besides,

the period for which that State had engaged to furnish them with

subsistence was expiring; so that it was absolutely necessary to come to

an early decision whether the House would assist them or not. Mr. Genet

had made a discrimination among the sufferers; some of them he had

promised to assist, and others, as _aristocrats_, he had disowned

altogether.

Mr. DEXTER read the clause referred to by Mr. BOUDINOT, but could not

draw from it any such inference. He was very unwilling to vote against

the proposition, and therefore solicited a delay, that he might have

leisure to find proper reasons for voting in its favor.

Mr. GILES was averse to precipitation in an affair of such magnitude.

The report had been read for a first time to-day; it had then been read

for a second time to-day. As if all this had not been sufficient, the

House must likewise go into a committee this day. Like the gentleman who

had just sat down, he felt many doubts as to the legality of such an act

of bounty; and he wished, before he gave a vote on either side of the

question, to free himself from these doubts. He considered duty to his

constituents as a very solemn trust. Some personal insinuations had been

cast out, as if gentlemen who professed constitutional scruples had

wished to embarrass the subject. Reflections of this kind could answer

no good purpose. Gentlemen (said Mr. G.) appeal to our humanity. The

appeal is out of place. That is not the question; but whether, organized

as we are, under the constitution, we have a right to make such a grant?

He did not understand why an application was made to Congress in

particular. It would have been made with greater propriety to the

Provincial Assemblies, as their power over the purses of their

constituents was more extensive than that of this House over the

revenues of the United States.

[The motion for the House resolving itself into a committee immediately

was then withdrawn, and the report was committed to a Committee of the

Whole on the state of the Union.]

MONDAY, January 13.

_Commerce of the United States._

The House again resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on

the Report of the Secretary of State on the privileges and restrictions

on the commerce of the United States, in foreign countries, when

Mr. SMITH (of South Carolina) rose and addressed the Chair as follows:

Mr. Chairman: Among the various duties which are assigned by the

constitution to the Legislature of the United States, there is, perhaps,

none of a more important nature than the regulation of commerce, none

more generally interesting to our fellow-citizens, none which more

seriously claims our diligent and accurate investigation.

It so essentially involves our navigating, agricultural, commercial, and

manufacturing interest, that an apology for the prolixity of the

observations which I am about to submit to the committee, will scarcely

be requisite.

In the view which I shall take of the question, disengaging the inquiry

from all topics of a political nature, I shall strictly confine myself

to those which are commercial, and which alone are, in my judgment,

properly connected with the subject.

Called upon to decide on propositions, merely commercial, and springing

from a report, in its nature limited to commercial regulations, it would

be as ill-timed, as it would be irregular, to mingle with the discussion

considerations of a political nature. I shall, accordingly, reject from

the inquiry every idea which has reference to the Indians, the

Algerines, or the Western posts. Whenever those subjects require our

deliberations, I shall not yield to any member in readiness to vindicate

the honor of our country, and to concur in such measures as our best

interests may demand.

This line of procedure will, I trust, be deemed by those gentlemen who

follow me, the only proper one, and that the debate will be altogether

confined to commercial views; these will of themselves open a field of

discussion sufficiently spacious, without the intervention of arguments

derived from other sources. It would indeed argue a weakness of ground

in the friends of the propositions, and imply a distrust of the merits

of their cause, were they compelled to bolster it up with such

auxiliaries, and to resort for support to arguments, not resulting from

the nature of the subject, but from irrelative and extraneous

considerations.

The propositions, as well as the report, being predicated upon facts and

principles having relation to our commerce and navigation with foreign

countries, by those facts and principles, and those alone, ought the

propositions to stand or fall.

It will not be denied that this country is at present in a very delicate

crisis, and one requiring dispassionate reflection, cool and mature

deliberation. It will be much to be regretted then, if passion should

usurp the place of reason, if superficial, narrow, and prejudiced views

should mislead the public councils from the true path of national

interest.

The report of the Secretary of State, on the privileges and restrictions

on the commerce of the United States in foreign countries is now before

the committee. The tendency of that report (whatever may have been the

design of the reporter) appears to be to induce a false estimate of the

comparative condition of our commerce with certain foreign nations, and

to urge the Legislature to adopt a scheme of retaliating, regulations,

restrictions, and exclusions.

The most striking contrast which the performance evidently aims at, is

between Great Britain and France. For this reason, and as these are the

two Powers with whom we have the most extensive relations in trade, I

shall, by a particular investigation of the subject, endeavor to lay

before the committee an accurate and an impartial comparison of the

commercial systems of the two countries in reference to the United

States, as a test of the solidity of the inferences which are attempted

to be established by the report. A fair comparison can only be made with

an eye to what may be deemed the permanent system of the countries in

question. The proper epoch for it, therefore, will precede the

commencement of the pending French Revolution.

The commercial regulations of France during the period of the Revolution

have been too fluctuating, too much influenced by momentary impulses,

and, as far as they have looked towards this country with a favorable

eye, too much manifesting an object of the moment, which cannot be

mistaken to consider them as a part of a system. But though the

comparison will be made with principal reference to the condition of our

trade with France and Great Britain, antecedent to the existing

revolution, the regulations of the subsequent period will perhaps not be

passed over altogether unnoticed.

The table which I have before me comprises the principal features of the

subject within a short compass. It is the work of a gentleman of

considerable commercial knowledge, and I believe may be relied on for

its correctness. An attentive reference to it will, with some

supplementary remarks, convey a just conception of the object; a view to

conciseness and simplicity has excluded from it all articles (the

production and manufactures of the United States) which are not of

considerable importance.

Accustomed as our ears have been to a constant panegyric on the generous

policy of France towards this country in commercial relations, and to as

constant a philippic on the unfriendly, illiberal, and persecuting

policy of Great Britain towards us in the same relations, we naturally

expect to find in a table which exhibits their respective systems,

numerous discriminations in that of France in our favor, and many

valuable privileges granted to us, which are refused to other foreign

countries; in that of Great Britain frequent discriminations to our

prejudice, and a variety of privileges refused to us which are granted

to other foreign nations. But an inspection of the table will satisfy

every candid mind, that the reverse of what has been supposed is truly

the case--that neither in France nor the French West Indies, is there

more than one solitary and important distinction in our favor, (I mean

the article of fish oil,) either with regard to our exports thither, our

imports from thence, or our shipping; that both in Great Britain and the

British West Indies, there are several material distinctions in our

favor, with regard both to our exports thither and to our imports from

thence, and, as it respects Great Britain, with regard also to our

shipping; that in the market of Great Britain, a preference is secured

to six of our most valuable staples, by considerably higher duties on

the rival articles of other foreign countries; that our navigation

thither is favored by our ships, when carrying our own productions,

being put upon as good a footing as their own ships, and by the

exemption of several of our productions, when carried in our ships, from

duties which are paid on the like articles of other foreign countries

carried in the ships of those countries; and that several of our

productions may be carried from the United States to the British West

Indies, while the like productions cannot be carried thither from any

other foreign country; and that several of the productions of those

countries may be brought from thence to the United States, which cannot

be carried from thence to any other foreign country.

TUESDAY, January 14.

_Commerce of the United States._

The House again resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on

the Report of the Secretary of State on the privileges and restrictions

on the commerce of the United States in foreign countries; when Mr.

MADISON rose in reply to Mr. SMITH, of South Carolina.

Mr. M. began by observing that he had expected, from what was intimated

yesterday, the sequel of what was then said against the resolutions

before the committee; but, as there was a silence in that quarter, and

no other member has risen on either side of the question, he himself

would request the attention of the committee.

It had been much pressed that, in the discussion of this subject, it

should be viewed in its commercial relations only. He was perfectly

willing to meet every objection that could be urged on that ground; but,

as he conceived it impossible to do full justice to the interests of the

United States without taking some collateral considerations into view,

he should be obliged, in the course of his remarks, to point at the

political disposition and conduct of some of the nations of Europe

towards this country.

The propositions immediately before the committee turned on the

question, whether any thing ought to be done at this time, in the way of

commercial regulations, towards vindicating and advancing our national

interests. Perhaps it might be made a question with some, whether, in

any case, legislative regulations of commerce were consistent with its

nature and prosperity.

He professed himself to be a friend to the theory which gives to

industry a free course, under the impulse of individual interest and the

guidance of individual sagacity. He was persuaded that it would be happy

for all nations, if the barriers erected by prejudice, by avarice, and

by despotism, were broken down, and a free intercourse established among

them. Yet to this, as to all other general rules, there might be

exceptions; and the rule itself required what did not exist--that it

should be general.

To illustrate this observation, he referred to the Navigation Act of

Great Britain, which, not being counterbalanced by any similar acts on

the part of rival nations, had secured to Great Britain no less than

eleven-twelfths of the shipping and seamen employed in her trade. It is

stated that, in 1660, when the British act passed, the foreign tonnage

was to the British, as one to four; in 1700, less than one to six; in

1725, as one to nineteen; in 1750, as one to twelve; in 1774, nearly the

same. At the commencement of the period, the tonnage was but 95,266

tons; at the end of it, 1,136,162.

As another illustration, he mentioned the case where two countries

happened to be in such a relation to each other, that the one, by

discouraging the manufactures of the other, might not only invigorate

its own, but transplant the manufacturers themselves. Here the gain

would be a clear one, and the effect evidently consistent with the

principle of the theory.

To allow trade to regulate itself is not, therefore, to be admitted as a

maxim universally sound. Our own experience has taught us that, in

certain cases, it is the same thing with allowing one nation to regulate

it for another. Were the United States, in fact, in commercial

intercourse with one nation only, and to oppose no restrictions whatever

to a system of foreign restrictions, they would, of necessity, be

deprived of all share in the carriage, although their vessels might be

able to do it cheapest, as well as of the only resources for defence on

that side where they must always be most exposed to attack. A small

burden only in foreign ports on American vessels, and a perfect equality

of foreign vessels with our own in our own ports, would gradually banish

the latter altogether.

The subject, as had been remarked on a former occasion, was not a novel

one; it was coeval with our political birth, and has at all times

exercised the thoughts of reflecting citizens. As early as the year

succeeding the peace, the effect of the foreign policy, which began to

be felt in our trade and navigation, excited universal attention and

inquietude. The first effort thought of was an application of Congress

to the States for a grant of power, for a limited time, to regulate our

foreign commerce, with a view to control the influence of unfavorable

regulations in some cases, and to conciliate an extension of favorable

ones in others. From some circumstances then incident to our situation,

and particularly from a radical vice in the then political system of the

United States, the experiment did not take effect.

The States next endeavored to effect their purpose by separate but

concurrent regulations. Massachusetts opened a correspondence with

Virginia and other States, in order to bring about the plan. Here,

again, the effort was abortive.

Out of this experience grew the measures which terminated in the

establishment of a Government competent to the regulation of our

commercial interests and the vindication of our commercial rights.

As these were the first objects of the people in the steps taken for

establishing the present Government, they were universally expected to

be among the first fruits of its operation. In this expectation, the

public were disappointed. An attempt was made in different forms, and

received the repeated sanction of this branch of the Legislature, but

they expired in the Senate--not, indeed, as was alleged, from a dislike

to the attempt altogether, but the modifications given to it. It has not

appeared, however, that it was ever renewed in a different form in that

House, and for some time it has been allowed to sleep in both.

If the reasons which originally prevailed against measures such as those

now proposed had weight in them, they can no longer furnish a pretext

for opposition.

When the subject was discussed in the first Congress, at New York, it

was said that we ought to try the effect of a generous policy towards

Great Britain; that we ought to give time for negotiating a treaty of

commerce; that we ought to await the close of negotiations for

explaining and executing the treaty of peace. We have now waited a term

of more than four years. The treaty of peace remains unexecuted on her

part, though all pretext for delay has been removed by the steps taken

on ours; no treaty of commerce is either in train or in prospect;

instead of relaxations in former articles complained of, we suffer new

and aggravated violations of our rights.

In the view which he took of the subject, he called the attention of the

committee particularly to the subject of navigation, of manufactures,

and of the discrimination proposed in the motion between some nations

and others.

On the subject of navigation, he observed that we were prohibited by the

British laws from carrying to Great Britain the produce of other

countries from their ports, or our own produce from the ports of other

countries, or the produce of other countries from our own ports, or to

send our own produce from our own or other ports in the vessels of other

countries. This last restriction was, he observed, felt by the United

States at the present moment. It was, indeed, the practice of Great

Britain, sometimes to relax her Navigation Act so far, in time of war,

as to permit to neutral vessels a circuitous carriage; but, as yet, the

act was in full force against the use of them for transporting the

produce of the United States.

On the other hand, the laws of the United States allowed Great Britain

to bring into their ports any thing she might please, from her own or

from other ports, and in her own or in other vessels.

In the trade between the United States and the British West Indies, the

vessels of the former were under an absolute prohibition, whilst British

vessels in that trade enjoyed all the privileges granted to others, even

the most favored nations, in their trade with us. The inequality in this

case was the more striking, as it was evident that the West Indies were

dependent on the United States for the supplies essential to them, and

that the circumstances which secured to the United States this

advantage, enabled their vessels to transport the supplies on far better

terms than could be done by British vessels.

It might be regarded (he observed) as a general rule, that, where one

nation consumed the necessaries of life produced by another, the

consuming nation was dependent on the producing one. On the other hand,

where the consumption consisted of superfluities, the producing nation

was dependent on the consuming one. The United States were in the

fortunate situation of enjoying both these advantages over Great

Britain. They supply a part of her dominions with the necessaries of

life; they consume superfluities which give bread to her people in

another part. Great Britain, therefore, is under a double dependence on

the commerce of the United States. She depends on them for what she

herself consumes; she depends on them for what they consume. In

proportion as a nation manufactures luxuries must be its disadvantages

in contests of every sort with its customers. The reason is obvious.

What is a luxury to the consumer is a necessary to the manufacturer. By

changing a fashion or disappointing a fancy only, bread may be taken

from the mouths of thousands whose industry is devoted to the

gratification of artificial wants. He mentioned the case of a petition

from a great body of buckle makers, presented a few years ago to the

Prince of Wales, complaining of the use of strings instead of buckles in

the shoes, and supplicating his Royal Highness, as giving the law to

fashions, to save them from want and misery by discontinuing the new

one. It was not (he observed) the Prince who petitioned the

manufacturers to continue to make the buckles, but the manufacturers

who petitioned their customer to buy them. The relation was similar

between the American customers and the British manufacturers; and if a

law were to pass for putting a stop to the use of their superfluities,

or a stop were otherwise to be put to it, it would quickly be seen from

which the distress and supplications would flow. Suppose that Great

Britain received from us alone the whole of the necessaries she

consumes, and that our market alone took off the luxuries with which she

paid for them: here the dependence would be complete, and we might

impose whatever terms we please on the exchange. This, to be sure, is

not absolutely the case; but, in proportion as it is the case, her

dependence is on us. The West Indies, however, are an example of

complete dependence. They cannot subsist without our food. They cannot

flourish without our lumber and our use of their rum. On the other hand,

we depend on them for not a single necessary, and can supply ourselves

with their luxuries from other sources. Sugar is the only article about

which there was ever a question; and he was authorized to say that there

was not, at the most, one-sixth of our consumption supplied from the

British islands. In time of war or famine the dependence of the West

Indies is felt in all its energy. It is sometimes such as to appeal to

our humanity as well as our interest for relief. At this moment the

Governor of Jamaica is making proclamation of their distresses. If ever,

therefore, there was a case where one country could dictate to another

the regulations of trade between them, it is the case of the United

States and the British West Indies. And yet the gentleman from South

Carolina (Mr. SMITH) had considered it as a favor that we were allowed

to send our provisions in British bottoms, and in these only, to the

West Indies.

WEDNESDAY, January 15.

_Commerce of the United States._

A proposition being made to go into a Committee of the Whole on Mr.

MADISON's resolutions,

The House then went into committee.

Mr. FORREST, after a long pause, observed, that, as no other person

appeared disposed to rise on the occasion, although he felt himself

unequal to doing that justice to the subject which many others were, yet

he considered it his duty to offer a few remarks which had occurred to

him in the course of the debate.

In all our discussions of commercial affairs, the principal point to be

kept in view was the promotion of the essential and permanent interests

of our country, keeping in mind this maxim, (as true in respect to

nations as individuals,) that there is no friendship in trade. He then

entered into a consideration of our commercial connection with Great

Britain, and observed that we should avoid letting our former

prejudices, or those arising from recent transactions, influence our

judgments. We should not regard the favoring of the French or British

nation, but study to do that which would tend to the promotion of our

own commerce and the interest of our own navigation. In this pursuit, we

must keep in view our relative situation with European nations,

particularly those of France and Great Britain, and more particularly

the latter, with whom the proposed resolutions contemplate a change. Of

all possible times, (said he,) I believe this the most improper to try

the experiment.

If the British Government have been instrumental in letting the

Algerines loose upon us; if their privateers commit acts of piracy upon

our neutral flag, let it at least, in the first instance, be made matter

of negotiation. Neutral nations must suffer some inconvenience; and it

will be much better policy to come forward at once and say we are at

war. We will not submit to vexatious insults, when they are too much to

suffer, rather than make this commercial warfare, by which it is

impossible, in the course of human events, but that we must be much the

greatest sufferers; and how humiliating would it be, after trial, even

to propose to make it a drawn battle!

Let us examine the subject. Of the whole fair trade of Great Britain,

taking their imports and exports into view, their trade with the United

States will be found to be one-sixth, or thereabouts. Take the imports

and exports of the United States, and you will find that full one-half

the value of our whole trade is with Great Britain and her dependencies.

Who will suffer most? She, by the interruption of one-sixth, with the

means of getting most of the articles we supply, on as good terms, from

other nations, with great internal sources of revenue, and a people used

to bear any taxes asked of them; or we, with an interruption of one-half

our trade and commerce, not so well off with respect to internal

resources, and the complaints of our citizens, not accustomed to heavy

taxation? Let those who rely upon the effect it will have on the English

manufacturers and artisans, look back to 1773 and 1774, and recollect

the effect it then had.

But there is one circumstance that should have weight with every mind.

It will be found that three-fourths of all the impost revenue of this

country are derived from our commerce with the British. Shall we hazard

an entire loss of this revenue? And if lost or greatly interrupted, from

whence shall we supply its deficiency, without, at least, in their

minds, oppressing the people of this country? I am not a stockholder or

a bankholder. I am too poor to be either, and therefore can have no

separate interest in view, and, where I am known, I shall not be charged

with partiality to Great Britain; but I hope I am free from such

unwarrantable prejudices as to lead me into measures to the injury of my

country.

I lay it down as a principle not to be controverted, that our

intercourse with Great Britain, in a commercial point, (I mean, putting

the mode of carriage out of account, and confining it to the importation

and exportation, and restrictions and bounties thereon,) is as favorable

as we can expect, and, taken in the aggregate, full as favorable as with

France, their Navigation Act excepted.

With respect to navigation, I have long thought it ought not to be

submitted to; but are we to expect, at a moment like this, acting (as

they will certainly believe we shall) under the impulse of resentment,

they will waive an atom of their Navigation Act to the result of our

resolutions? It is vain. Let us not hazard that which is certain, which

the safeguard of experience has proved, for that we know not of.

It has been mentioned as a grievance that our produce is sent to France,

Holland, Spain, Portugal, &c., and that our imports are, in a great

degree, confined to Great Britain. Our merchants must pay their debts,

and surely it is for their interest to sell their articles for the

highest price they will bring, and purchase where they can obtain

cheapest. Our produce is sent to those countries to pay our debts in

Great Britain.

There has been nothing to lead me to a judgment how the blanks are to be

filled. If, with such high duties as to prohibit the articles, our chief

source of revenue will be wiped off, and the consequence may, nay, must

be, direct taxation. If low, it will only exhibit, without gratifying, a

resentment, and the consumers of these articles, the yeomanry of this

country, will have to pay the tax. If it is said that it is intended to

encourage our own factories, let us select those which we can

manufacture, and lay prohibitory duties on the foreign articles.

Mr. F. reprobated the idea of suffering partial or merely political

motives to influence in the discussion of the subject. Commercial

subjects ought to be considered in an independent point of view. He

hoped, therefore, that the committee would endeavor to divest themselves

of every incidental impression, originating in impulses from particular

events, and contemplate the question simply on its own merits.

Mr. FITZSIMONS declared that, in the course of this discussion, he had

not heard one single argument advanced which, admitting the premises to

be true, could persuade him to give his consent to the first of the

resolutions. It was possible that he might agree to some of those that

followed. He was perfectly convinced that a judicious system of

regulations would be of infinite advantage to the maritime interest of

America. He was of opinion that the first resolution was by far too

indefinite. The substance of the whole arguments advanced on both sides

tended only to establish a fact, which was already perfectly well known,

that the Governments of Europe act, in regard to the commerce of the

United States, just as they think proper. The lesson was a very good

one, and he trusted that, with a proper attention to temporary

circumstances, this country would improve by it.

Mr. MADISON regarded the objection of the gentleman as entirely of a

new kind. He had refused his consent to the first of the resolutions,

because it was indefinite. But the propositions laid before the House a

few days ago with respect to the Algerines were fully as indefinite, and

yet the gentleman who spoke last had recommended them. The order of

procedings in the present question is perfectly candid and regular,

consonant to the practice of the House, and the practice of the

gentleman himself.

Mr. AMES wished, that gentlemen, instead of indefinite declamation,

would lay their finger on each particular wrong that Britain had done to

us. He did not know of any particular advantage that we had derived in

our commerce with France. He wished to discountenance a spirit of

revenge, and to ascertain on what side the benefits of our commerce lay,

and wherein they consisted. He did not like unfair comparisons,

Mr. NICHOLAS said, that he would not, at this time of day, attempt to

detain the House any further than by just observing that the practice of

_comparisons_ had originated among the gentlemen who opposed the

resolutions.

At this stage, the committee rose, and had leave to sit again.

THURSDAY, January 16.

_Commerce of the United States._

The House again resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on

the Report of the Secretary of State on the privileges and restrictions

on the commerce of the United States in foreign countries, when

Mr. NICHOLAS rose and spoke as follows:

Mr. Chairman: I feel a great embarrassment in speaking on this subject,

from a distrust of my ability to treat properly its acknowledged

importance, and from the apparent expectation of the audience. I feel

too, as the member from Maryland who spoke yesterday did, from the

imputation of motives, well knowing that the Representatives of my

country are industriously reported to be enemies of the Government, and

promoters of anarchy, and that the present measure is imputed to these

principles. It is somewhat remarkable, that farther north we are charged

with selfishness, and want of attachment to the general welfare, for a

supposed opposition to measures of the import of the present. I mention

this contradictory inference, to show that the shameful designs charged

upon us, are not proved by the fact, and to place the guilt where it

only exists, in the malignity of the accuser.

It is a commonly received opinion, that trade should be intrusted to the

direction of those immediately interested in it, and that the actual

course of it is the best which it could take; this principle is by no

means a safe one, and, as applied to the trade of America, is extremely

fallacious. It can never be just, where the beginning and growth of a

commerce have not been free from all possible constraint, as to its

direction; as that can never be called a business of election which has

been created under foreign influence. The manner in which America was

first peopled, and the nurture she received from Great Britain, afford

the most striking contrast to the requisite before mentioned. The first

inhabitants of America were educated in Great Britain, and brought with

them all the wants of their own country, to be gratified chiefly by the

productions of that country. Aided by British capital, in the settlement

of the wilderness, and depending on the same means for the conveyance of

its produce to a place of consumption, it was inevitable, that the

demand for British commodities should keep pace with the improvement of

the country. In the commencement of American population and its early

stages, there does not appear to have been a chance of comparing the

advantages of commercial connection with different countries, and it

will be found that in its progress, it was still more restrained. In the

last years of the dependence of America on Great Britain, the principal

part of America was occupied by large trading companies, composed of

people in Great Britain, and conducted by factors, who sunk large sums

in the hands of the farmers, to attach them to their respective stores,

by which means competition was precluded, and a dependence on the

supplies of those stores completely established. Since the Revolution,

the business has been conducted by persons in the habit of dependence on

Great Britain, and who had no other capital than the manufactures of

that country furnished on credit. The business is still almost wholly

conducted by the same means. In no stage of its growth then, does there

appear to have been a power in the consumer to have compared the

productions of Great Britain with those of any other country, as to

their quality or price, and therefore there is no propriety in calling

the course of trade, the course of its choice.

The subject before the committee naturally divides itself into

navigation and manufactures, in speaking of which, I shall offer some

other considerations, to show that the same effects are by no means to

be expected from the greatest commercial wisdom in individuals, which

are in the power of the general concert of the community; the one having

in view profit on each separate transaction, the other, promoting an

advantageous result to the whole commerce of the country.

In considering the importance of navigation to all countries, but

especially to such as have so extensive a production of bulky articles

as America, I think I shall show that the last observation is accurately

right, and that the interest of the whole community, not those only who

are the carriers, but those also who furnish the object of carriage,

positively demands a domestic marine, equal to its whole business; and

that, even if it is to exist under rates higher than those of foreign

navigation, it is to be preferred. In circumstances of tolerable

equality, that can never however entirely be the case; for, in the

carriage of the produce of one country, by the shipping of another, to

any other place than the country to which the shipping belongs, there is

considerably more labor employed than would have been by domestic

shipping, as the return to their own country is to be included. On this

ground, it may be confidently asserted, that where the materials of

navigation are equally attainable, they will always be more

advantageously employed by the country for whose use they are intended;

and that if, under such circumstances, another country is employed as

the carrier, it must be under the influence of some other cause than

interest, as it respects that particular business. A dependence on the

shipping of another country tends to establish a place of deposit in

that country of those exports which are for the use of others, if it is

at a convenient distance from them. The superintendence of property

makes short voyages desirable for the owner, and the connection that

soon takes place between the money capital of a country and its shipping

interests, greatly strengthens the vortex. The attainment of wealth

beyond the demands of navigation, leads to an interest in the cargo

itself, and then the agency in selling to the consumer becomes

important. It is apparent that, as the final sale depends on the wants

of the purchaser, all intermediate expenses of care and agency must be

taken from the price to which the maker would be entitled. Our own

commerce has involved this loss, in a remarkable degree, and it has gone

to an enormous extent, from a necessity of submitting to the perfidy of

agents, arising from a dependence established by means of the so much

boasted credit.

That there is this tendency in the employment of foreign shipping, is

not only proved by the commercial importance of Holland, which became

thus, from her naval resources, the storehouse of Europe, without

furnishing any thing from her own productions, but also from the varied

experience of America. Before the Revolution, every thing for European

consumption was carried to Great Britain, but, since America has

possessed shipping of her own, and in the Northern States, there has

been an accession of capital, the export to England is reduced one-half.

It is true, indeed, that there is still nearly one-half of what she

receives, that is re-exported, but it will be found that she still

retains a proportioned share of those influences which formerly carried

the whole. Great Britain, under all the discouragements of our laws,

which, we are told by the mercantile members of the committee, amount to

a prohibition where they have any rivals, did, until the European war,

possess one-third of the foreign tonnage employed in America. This has

been supported by the dependence into which the Southern States were

placed by credit, and here, as in every other step of the connection,

this engine extorts advantages from us, beyond the compensation which is

always secured in the first advance. If there wanted other proof of the

British interest in the American navigation being supported in direct

opposition to our interests, it may be found in the comparative state of

the tonnage employed, where it appears that, after the protecting duties

once had their effect, the additional tonnage, to a considerable amount,

has been entirely American, and that the British tonnage has remained

very nearly stationary, and in proportion to their undue influence.

In time of war, in addition to the inconveniences before stated, which

are enhanced by throwing the trade from its accustomed channel, there

are great and important losses brought on a country by this kind of

dependence. If your carriers are parties to the war, you are subjected

to the war freight and war insurance on your cargo, and you are cut off

from all the markets to which they are hostile; and, indeed, from our

experience in the present war, I may say you are cut off from the market

of your carriers themselves, as it would have been impossible for

British vessels to have escaped in our seas last summer. To what extent

this loss goes may be seen from a calculation in the Secretary of

State's report on the fisheries, making the proportion of war to that of

peace in the one hundred years, as forty-two to one hundred; and on that

calculation there can be no hesitation in determining that the interest

of the farmers requires that this foreign dependence should end here.

But the European war, by making a temporary exclusion of British

shipping, has already brought on us the greatest mischief of such a

regulation: and, by the encouragement it has afforded to our shipping,

almost completed the remedy; so that we have reason to consider this as

a fortunate period. But, it is not merely the advancement of our marine

that is contemplated by the present resolutions; the security of that

which we have is also dependent on them. The danger from the Algerines

has been estimated in this House at five per cent. on the vessel and

cargo, but the whole encouragement to our own shipping in our existing

laws consists in the one-tenth additional duty on goods imported in

foreign vessels. Whenever there shall be a European peace, which cannot

be far distant, the whole difference between the two sums will be a

direct encouragement on British ships, and will probably be equal to two

freights. Do gentlemen rely on the precarious prospect of building

frigates, and the more precarious service to be rendered by them when

built, so much as to neglect any other regulations for the safety of our

shipping when they are so much in their power?

Having shown that the actual state of our commerce is by no means the

most beneficial, as far as navigation is concerned, I will proceed to

consider the benefits derived from the consumption of those European

manufactures which form the principal part of the stores of America. And

here it may safely be said, that national policy by no means justifies

the almost exclusive preference given to those of Great Britain. It is

not always true that the commodity which is bought for least money is

the best bargain, for the means of payment form an important

consideration in all traffic, and accommodations in it may more than

counterbalance an inequality of price. If one man will receive an

article in exchange which you can sell to no other, it will certainly be

a saving to deal with him at a high advance on his property. If there

are countries which would become great consumers of American produce, on

the terms of reciprocal consumption, and we find a difficulty, as is

often the case, in vending that produce, is it not of great national

importance to excite those acts which are to become the foundation of

the connection, even if, in the first instance, it is to be attended

with inconvenience and loss? France may be made a connection of this

sort. She is at this time almost, if not quite, on a footing with Great

Britain in the consumption of American products, and every hand which

shall receive employment from us will add to her wants. We are told that

it is of no less importance to us to find a country which can supply us

advantageously than one which will consume our productions; and that, as

commerce is no longer carried on by barter, it is no less beneficial to

sell in one country and buy in another, than if we could complete the

exchange in the same country. This might be true, if your production was

limited, and the demand for it certain; but, with a greatly improving

agriculture, and some risk in our markets, the object is important.

Great Britain being the factory of those things which would make her

most dependent on the agricultural interest, and the national wealth

being probably at the greatest height, there is no expectation that her

consumption will increase. On the other hand, as labor is now to receive

its direction in France to the manufacturing arts, so far as concerns

America, you will take from the agricultural strength a large class of

people, and by that means create a dependence on you, at least to the

amount of their own consumption, and the wealth you will diffuse will

give ability to thousands who are now too poor to bid for your

commodities. Nor is it probable that you will purchase this important

benefit on very disadvantageous terms; for it is agreed on all hands

that many important arts are well understood there, and that labor,

which forms the principal part of the cost of most articles, is

considerably cheaper in France than in England.

Another very important operation of a discrimination in favor of France

will be that, by encouraging liberal industry, you may put an end to

some practices which, in the existing state of consumption, greatly

depreciate our commodities. I mean the public provision made in

granaries, and the supply from them in times of scarcity, which destroys

the competition that raises every thing to its just value. Different

consequences have been foretold as likely to result from those

measures, to which I shall give a short examination. We are told that

the preference long since given by our laws has been equal to a

prohibition of British vessels, and that, to the extent to which it has

gone, the best effects have been produced. To secure this operation from

a recent attack, and at the same time to extend it to some branches of

trade, to which its principles would equally extend, is the object of

the marine resolutions. We have no reason to apprehend bad consequences

from an action which has hitherto had good consequences. As to the

increased duties on manufactures, I think the prospect in no way

threatening; for, if there should be found no country to supply our

wants on better terms, the diminution of consumption will be only in

proportion to the duty. This can be by no means alarming, considered as

the worst consequence of the measure to men with whom the impost is the

favorite mode of collecting the revenue, at a time when the public wants

are equal to any possible produce. If there shall be found a competitor

with Great Britain for our consumption, the great object will be

attained, as it must be accompanied by a corresponding consumption of

American productions. But we are told that there will be a conflict of

commercial regulations between this country and Great Britain, and that

the consequence will be, the loss of the market she affords us. The

probable consequences of such a conflict will best determine whether it

is to be expected, as it will commence, on her part as well as ours,

with a view to consequences. The danger which she can alone apprehend is

the loss of the market for her manufactures; and to obviate this, it

would be absurd to widen the breach between us, as that would tend, in a

direct proportion, to the establishment of unfriendly habits and

manufactures, either here or in other countries, which would rival her

own. If, however, the ultimate advantage would justify such measures,

the immediate distress of her people would forbid it. The American trade

must be the means of distributing bread to several hundred thousand

persons, whose occupations would be wholly ended with the trade, and the

Government is by no means in a situation to bear their discontent. Their

navigation and manufactures draw many important ingredients from America

which would be lost to them. The creditors of the people of America, to

an immense amount, would be deprived of the remittances which depend on

a friendly intercourse. On the whole, it would add to the disorders of

the Government among those who, perhaps, have heretofore contributed to

its support, without gratifying any thing but an arrogant resentment.

But we are told that our own citizens would be equal sufferers, and are

more to be injured by being stopped in a career of rapid improvement. It

will be hard to anticipate any real misfortune to America in such a

contest, unless the temporary loss of indulgencies, which are by no

means necessary, can be so called. The consumption of Great Britain is,

according to the most friendly calculation, not more than one-third of

our purchases from her, and, therefore, the national wealth, independent

of the gratification of our appetites, will receive an immense addition,

and a vast fund will be procured to make lasting and valuable

improvements, which would be degraded by comparison with the gewgaws of

a day. It is to be remarked that the diminution of our exports would be

divided among large classes of people, and in all cases forms a

deduction from the annual income, rather than a total loss. This will

result from the various objects of American industry and the division of

the markets of its produce. This forms an important difference between

America and Great Britain, in an estimate of the effects of a rupture

between the two countries. In my opinion, the habits of the Southern

States are such as to require the control which is said to be the

consequence of these measures. Under the facility offered by the modes

of trade before spoken of, and the credit which is said to be so

beneficial, they have not only involved themselves in debt, but have

contracted habits which, with the power of gratification, must always

keep them so. We did hope that the administration of justice would have

corrected the evil, but we now find that it cannot be corrected but by

entire changes. It is founded in the policy of the merchant himself, and

this circumstance is enough to present to the minds of the committee a

long train of dependent mischiefs. It is a fact, supported by the best

evidence, that our merchants who get their goods from the manufacturer

pay as much for them as the shopkeeper who buys at Baltimore or

Philadelphia. This is one of the consequences of the want of credit

which always will follow a reliance on collection from farmers; and

there can be no doubt that the merchant is indemnified for his disgrace

as well as his advance. The result of the whole train of indulgence is,

that our goods are bought at an advance from a half to one-fourth of

what they could be afforded for in cash sales. Nor does the mischief

stop here. It brings a subjection which materially affects the sale of

our produce. I do believe, myself, that the war with Great Britain did

not bring half the mischief on us that their credit has; and I very much

suspect a credit for consumption will always be found equally

mischievous. It by no means resembles money loans, as is insinuated by

the gentleman from South Carolina, by freeing a man's own resources for

any other use. It is certain that there is no other safe regulation of a

farmer's expenses than his income; and experience every day proves that,

when so regulated, they always fall short of the income, and that, when

they depend on credit, they always exceed it, and thereby subject future

revenue. Lessening the importation of foreign manufactures will increase

our household fabrics, which experience has proved to be highly

profitable, as the labor is done by a part of the community of little

power in any other application. Regular efforts in this way have been,

in my country, certainly productive of independence.

Mr. GOODHUE.--Mr. Chairman: The propositions now before us having been

considered by several gentlemen, who have already spoken, and who have

given such a particular detail of calculations, I shall confine myself

to some general observations on the subject.

The gentleman from Maryland has made an observation which struck me very

forcibly as applied to the subject before us, because it is a maxim to

which all mankind have assented, and upon which all mankind continually

practise--it was this: "there is no friendship in trade;" and it maybe

added, as a necessary consequence, there ought to be no hatred in trade.

By following a path founded upon so obvious a maxim as the foregoing, we

may be sure of a right guide, but if we deviate from it, we are in

danger of being led into unforeseen error and mischief. It is

unquestionably our duty to attend to the navigation and commerce of our

country, and give it every proper encouragement which time and

circumstances admit; this has ever been my wish and my conduct.

This object, so important and desirable, must be effected by fixed

principles and regulations, such as giving our vessels a decided

preference in our own ports above the ships of every other nation

whatever, by paying less tonnage and other duties; by suffering no

foreign ships to bring into the United States the productions of any

other country than the one to which they belong; and by prohibiting

foreign ships from coming to the United States from those places where

our own ships are prohibited.

These are the fixed principles and regulations by one or all of which

our navigation and commerce can only be promoted, and must never be

deviated from, when adopted in favor of any one nation whatever--unless

it be in return for some special advantage granted to us by any

particular nation as an equivalent. Hitherto, our Government has

proceeded to distinguish foreign ships, only by making them pay greater

tonnage and duties than our own. If circumstances required it, and the

time is judged a seasonable one, I shall be willing to proceed further.

Let us examine what advantages we enjoy in consequence of any commercial

treaties we have already formed, for the propositions before us are

proposed to affect only those nations with whom we have no treaties. We

have commercial treaties with Prussia, Sweden, France, and Holland, and

in the dominions of neither of those powers have our ships or the

produce of this country (except in the single article of our oil in

France) been admitted on any more favorable terms than the ships or

produce of any other nation; and for this obvious reason, because our

treaties only ensure the advantages they may grant to the most favored

nation; and, being circumstanced in such a manner as not judging it for

their interest to distinguish any one by its favors, we are left only in

the enjoyment of a trade with them on the terms common to all other

nations. This being the case, I would not give one farthing to have like

treaties formed with every other nation, for they have not been, and

never can be, of any service to us; if we expect to derive any advantage

from commercial treaties, we must stipulate for some certain good, for

some other good which we may grant them in return.

Mr. CLARK differed from many members who had spoken before him, in the

view they took of the subject; he conceived it ought to be considered in

a political light. We had many wrongs to complain of, and we should

endeavor to obtain redress. The English have violated our treaty, just

after it was ratified, by taking away our negroes, and since by holding

our posts; they have also set the savages on our backs, and have not

they let loose the Algerines upon us? Shall we sit still and bear it?

How can we help it? it is asked. They will retaliate, we are told. How

retaliate? Will they refuse to sell us their manufactures? He remembered

that, even in old times, a non-importation agreement made them repeal

their stamp act. We have surely as well now as we had then a right not

to buy their goods; we don't want to cram our provisions down their

throats, or to force them to buy our lumber. During the non-importation

agreement, we did not perish with cold; we found, even then, that among

ourselves we could make wherewith to clothe ourselves; we are surely as

able to do it now. We then gained our point; we should now be much more

powerful with the same weapon: many of her manufacturers are already

starving for want of employment. We should add greatly to their

distress, and soon bring the Government to their senses, and they will

be glad to enter into a commercial treaty with us.

The balance of trade with Great Britain is much against us; and by

carrying to Portugal and Spain what we send to them, we should receive

cash in return. France will not always be in a storm, and a supply of

the manufactured articles we want may soon be received from that

quarter.

He did not see to what purpose calculations three hours long had been

brought forward. It was very well for merchants to calculate in their

counting houses; but he conceived the Legislature should determine the

question upon political considerations. He concluded by remarking, that

he believed by this time the committee must pretty clearly see that he

was in favor of the resolutions.

Mr. PARKER considered the resolutions on the table as indefinite and

unintelligible. If revenue is the object, we should remember the remark

of _Dr. Swift_, that in the arithmetic of taxation, two and two do not

always make four, but sometimes only _one_. He thought there was a

jarring in the third resolution, which contradicted the first. The

leading clause of the first resolution, which has occasioned so long a

debate, is in these words: "That the interest of the United States would

be promoted by further restrictions and higher duties, in certain cases,

on the manufactures and navigation of foreign nations employed in the

commerce of the United States, than those now imposed." The third

resolution which Mr. P. referred to, is in these words: "That the duty

on vessels belonging to the nations having commercial treaties with the

United States, ought to be reduced to ---- per ton." The resolutions

meant either too much, or nothing. He would move to amend the first

resolution, but that he hoped it would be altogether cast aside.

Mr. S. SMITH (of Maryland) rose and apologized to the committee for

presuming to intrude upon them a second time by the delivery of his

sentiments. He said that a personal attack had been made yesterday upon

him in that House. It had met him out of doors, and had gone into the

world. After he had done speaking yesterday, a member had risen, and

held forth as a fundamental observation, that "gentlemen possessing

capitals of their own were in favor of the propositions; but that

dealers upon credit were against them." When this remark was made, as he

had but just sat down from delivering his negative to the resolutions,

he could not help thinking himself aimed at as one of those dealers upon

credit. [Here the member referred to rose, and solemnly declared that a

personal allusion to Mr. SMITH had never entered his mind.] Mr. S. went

on to observe, that the whole assertion was erroneous. The merchants of

America are men of liberal sentiments--more so, he believed, than

merchants of any other part of the world. They are not to be biased by

the petty motives of interest, in prejudice to the public interest of

their country. The gentleman whom he referred to had spoke of an

alarming British influence in some of the commercial cities of America.

He had alleged that merchants, by their connection with Britain, would

be under its influence; but there was no such thing. In this country,

merchants studied the constitution, and were attached to it. In other

countries, they minded only profit. As a reflection had been thrown on

merchants who dealt upon credit, he should take leave to observe that

credit was a very good thing. As to himself, he had before the war

began, acquired, by his industry, as much property as placed him beyond

the necessity of credit. By the war he was reduced to nothing. After the

peace, he again began as he set out at first. By the same industry and

the same talents, he had once more acquired independence. By the British

buccaneers, he had lost as much, since the present war began, as the

gentleman to whom he rose in reply, would think a tolerable fortune for

dividing among his sons; yet he could still spare time from his business

for the service of his country.

The question was then taken to postpone the subject to the first Monday

in March next; and it was resolved in the affirmative--yeas 51, nays 47,

as follows:

YEAS.--Theodorus Bailey, Abraham Baldwin, Thomas Blount, Thomas P.

Carnes, Gabriel Christie, Abraham Clark, Isaac Coles, Henry Dearborn,

George Dent, William Findlay, William B. Giles, James Gillespie,

Nicholas Gilman, Christopher Greenup, Andrew Gregg, William B. Grove,

George Hancock, Carter B. Harrison, John Heath, Daniel Heister, John

Hunter, William Irvine, Matthew Locke, William Lyman, Nathaniel Macon,

James Madison, Alexander Mebane, William Montgomery, Andrew Moore, Peter

Muhlenberg, Joseph Neville, Anthony New, John Nicholas, Nathaniel Niles,

Alexander D. Orr, Josiah Parker, John Patton, Andrew Pickens, Francis

Preston, Robert Rutherford, Thomas Scott, John S. Sherburne, John

Smilie, Israel Smith, Thomas Spring, Thomas Tredwell, Philip Van

Cortlandt, Abraham Venable, Francis Walker, Benjamin Williams, and

Joseph Winston.

NAYS.--Fisher Ames, James Armstrong, John Beatty, Elias Boudinot,

Shearjashub Bourne, Benjamin Bourne, Lambert Cadwalader, Thomas

Claiborne, David Cobb, Peleg Coffin, Joshua Coit, Jonathan Dayton,

Samuel Dexter, Thomas Fitzsimons, Uriah Forrest, Dwight Foster, Ezekiel

Gilbert, Henry Glenn, Benjamin Goodhue, James Gordon, Samuel Griffin,

Thomas Hartley, James Hillhouse, William Hindman, Samuel Holten, John

Wilkes Kittera, Amasa Learned, Richard Bland Lee, Francis Malbone,

Joseph McDowell, William Vans Murray, Jeremiah Smith, Samuel Smith,

William Smith, Zephaniah Swift, Silas Talbot, George Thatcher, Uriah

Tracy, Jonathan Trumbull, John E. Van Allen, Peter Van Gaasbeck, Peleg

Wadsworth, Jeremiah Wadsworth, Artemas Ward, John Watts, Paine Wingate,

and Richard Winn.

Monday, January 20.

_Algerine Affairs._

The Committee of Ways and Means, appointed, pursuant to the resolutions

of the House, on the communications from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES relative to Algiers, brought in a report, which was twice read,

and referred to the Committee of the whole House on the state of the

Union.

_Ordered_, That it be printed for the use of the members.

The report states that the naval force for the protection of the trade

of the United States, shall consist of four ships of forty-four guns

each, 18 and 9 pounders, and two of twenty guns each. The aggregate sum

wanted for this purpose is estimated at six hundred thousand dollars; to

raise which, one per cent. additional duty is proposed to be laid on

imported goods now paying seven and one-half per cent.; five per cent.

additional on stone, marble, &c.; and on all stone and earthenware,

three cents additional; on salt, per bushel, six cents additional, per

ton, on all vessels of the United States employed in foreign trade; and

twenty-five cents additional, per ton, on all other vessels.

On motion of Mr. FITZSIMONS, an addition was made to the Committee of

Ways and Means; so that it now consists of a member from every State,

who are to make another report respecting the fortifying the ports and

harbors of the United States.

_Ordered_, That Mr. GILMAN, Mr. WATTS, Mr. ORR, Mr. PATTON, Mr. BALDWIN,

and Mr. ISRAEL SMITH, be added to the committee appointed to report to

this House the naval force adequate to the protection of the commerce of

the United States against the Algerine corsairs, together with an

estimate of the expense, and the ways and means of defraying the same.

TUESDAY, January 28.

_French Refugees._

A petition of Peter Gauvain and Louis Dubourg, in behalf of the French

refugees of Cape François, now at Baltimore, was presented to the House

and read, praying that Congress will speedily decide on the memorial of

the committee appointed by the Legislature of Maryland, to draw for, and

distribute, the moneys granted by that State for the relief of the

French emigrants from the Island of St. Domingo.

Mr. MURRAY moved that it should be referred to the Committee of the

Whole on the state of the Union, along with the report of the select

committee upon it. He thought it would be an act of humanity to relieve

the persons mentioned in the petition. And if that was improper, he

thought that the next greatest act of humanity which could be done, was

to relieve them from suspense.

Mr. CLARK was of opinion that the matter should be instantly taken up,

as the fund for their relief expired on the 2d of February next.

Mr. HUNTER, from South Carolina, mentioned a remarkable exertion of

benevolence respecting persons of this kind which had taken place in

that State. The motion was agreed to, and the House directly resolved

itself into a committee on the question.

It was then moved and seconded, that the PRESIDENT be authorized to pay

$10,000 of the public money for the use of the refugees, and to

negotiate the payment of it, with the Ministry of France.

Mr. BOUDINOT was convinced, that, by the constitution, the House had a

right to give it in the first instance. He considered the committee as

too confined, and thought that it should have comprehended all the

people of this sort in North America. Many of these people since winter

set in, must have perished of cold and want in the streets of

Philadelphia, but for the benevolence of some well-disposed people. He

urged the committee, in the most pathetic language, to extend immediate

and effectual relief.

Mr. S. SMITH was confident that Congress would be repaid with thanks by

the Republic of France. He said that a supply of powder and ball had

been sent from one of the Southern States to St. Domingo, and that the

price had been punctually and thankfully repaid. Santhonax and Polverel

had been recalled, who were the authors of all the mischief that had

happened. The refugees expected to return to their settlements before

the first of May, and they would then be very able and very willing to

repay the money themselves.

Mr. SMILIE recommended the entering into a negotiation with the French

Ambassador, for securing payment of what sum should be voted.

Mr. CLARK hoped that the motion would instantly pass. In a case of this

kind, we were not to be tied up by the constitution. Were Algerines cast

upon the mercy of America, in such a situation, he would pay them the

same tribute of humanity. The French Ambassador had restricted his

services to a particular class of people. It was not the business of the

House, whether the refugees at Baltimore were democrats or aristocrats.

They were men; and, as such were entitled to compassion and to relief.

Mr. S. SMITH, in reply to Mr. SMILIE, said, that Mr. Genet, when

solicited on behalf of these people, made answer that he was not

authorized on the part of the Republic to give them any thing, but sent

them $2,000 from himself.

Mr. SMILIE replied that Mr. SMITH had mistaken him; he did not wish to

seek money from Mr. Genet. But he thought it would be singular to give

away so large a sum, without endeavoring to secure the approbation of

the French Minister, as a step towards repayment.

Mr. DEXTER had formerly entertained scruples, but he now approved the

motion.

Mr. NICHOLAS did not approve the motion in its original shape, nor did

he like it better for its being now altered into a motion for

authorizing the PRESIDENT to pay the money. Mr. N. expressed, in the

strongest and most unequivocal language, his compassion for the

sufferers; but, as he had not seen a way pointed out of relieving them,

agreeably to the constitution, he recommended a shorter one. Out of the

liberal compensation which the members of that House received from the

country, he thought that the sum wanted might easily be subscribed. He

did not know whether the Republic would thank us for helping them;

perhaps they might be accounted rebels.

Mr. FITZSIMONS proposed a second amendment of the original motion.

Mr. NICHOLAS replied: If this thing goes down at all, it should be as an

act of charity, and marked in giving, that it is going beyond our power,

but that, from a knowledge of the universal wish of our constituents,

and a sense of our general obligations to France, we have granted the

money.

Mr. SCOTT pressed for the relief in reference to the citizens of

Baltimore. If they were invaded by an army, we certainly would assist

them; and where is the difference, (added Mr. S.,) whether they be an

army of fighters, or an army of eaters. We must relieve them, to be

sure.

Mr. S. SMITH said that these distressed people were all women and

children, except three old men. The boys who were old enough, had been

bound apprentices. The men had been enlisted by the advice of Mr. Genet,

who said the Republic wanted recruits. He had likewise obtained two

ships for five hundred of the refugees who wanted to go to France. Genet

was able to do nothing more for them, as the $2,000 that he gave, were

out of his own pocket. It had been alleged that there was no precedent

for relieving these people. He mentioned two: The Americans in captivity

at Algiers had been assisted by the British Consul. Some years ago, the

crew of an American vessel had been shipwrecked on the coast of

Portugal. They were assisted with the utmost generosity by a private

gentleman. In both cases, Congress thankfully repaid the money advanced.

The gentleman from Virginia (Mr. NICHOLAS) had offered his salary, but

the idea had not been supported, so that it went for nothing. And are we

(said Mr. S.) to stand up here, and tell the world that we dare not

perform an act of benevolence? Is this to be the style of an American

Congress? The gentleman from Virginia had said that perhaps these people

would be considered as traitors by the Republic. Were women and

fatherless children to be regarded as traitors? Mr. S. was extremely

affected, and apologized more than once to the House for the warmth with

which he spoke. He said that himself and several others who had

witnessed the scene of distress, were surprised; the gentleman did not

feel as they did.

Mr. MADISON possessed constitutional scruples. He thought that the

gentleman from Maryland (Mr. S. SMITH) would not have injured his cause

by a greater moderation of language, nor his credit for benevolence by

not saying that his sympathy arose chiefly from being an eye-witness.

At last, the SPEAKER proposed to the committee an amendment, which met

the ideas of the members, and the resolution passed, as follows:

_Resolved_, That a sum not exceeding ---- dollars be appropriated for

the support of such of the inhabitants of St. Domingo, resident within

the United States, as shall be found in want of such support.

That a regular account of the moneys so expended be kept; and that the

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES be requested to obtain a credit therefor,

in the accounts between the French Republic and the United States.

_Ordered_, That a committee be appointed to bring in a bill in

conformity with the foregoing resolution, and providing for the due

application of the moneys aforesaid; and that Mr. AMES, Mr. TRACY, and

Mr. DENT, be the said committee.

THURSDAY, February 6.

_War with Algiers._

The resolution being read for building four ships of 44 guns and two

ships of 20 guns--

Mr. MADISON rose to inquire whether there was in the public stores of

the United States, a sufficient quantity of cedar and live oak for

building the proposed six vessels? He was answered that there was not.

Mr. M. then observed, that it was evident this fleet could not be ready

for effective service in the course of the present year. He imagined

that there was another resolution, precedent as to the time of voting

it, which ought to be before the committee. The resolution to which he

alluded, was that assigning a sum of money to buy a cessation of

hostilities from the Regency of Algiers. He was of opinion that the

project of fitting out an armed squadron was liable to many solid

objections. There were two points of light in which this subject might

be surveyed. The first of these was, whether the Algerines acted from

their own impulse in this matter? In that case, they were known to be in

the habit of selling a peace; and, if they are willing to do so, he

fancied that it might be purchased for less money than the armament

would cost. On the other hand, if they do not act from their own

impulse, but upon the instigation of Britain, we may depend upon it that

they cannot be bought. Britain will keep them hostile. There is

infinitely more danger of a British war from the fitting out of ships

than from the resolution on the report of the Secretary of State. The

distance which the ships would have to sail is not less than three

thousand miles, and their number is too small for a decisive advantage.

The combined powers would embrace the equipment of these ships as an

excellent opportunity to pick a quarrel with the United States. Mr. M.

expressed his doubts with regard to the propriety of this measure,

because the expense would be immense, and there was no certainty of

reaping any benefit from it.

Mr. CLARK was anxious to state his doubts on this subject, that

gentlemen, who, by their habits of life, had met with opportunities of

better information than he possessed, might correct him where he was

wrong. In the first place, the ships would be too small in point of

number to be of any kind of importance, amidst the numerous navies of

Europe. The distance from any friendly port, where, in case of

accidents, they might repair, was likewise very great. It was to be

expected that, when they fell in with British ships of war, that the

latter would endeavor to search them for prohibited cargoes, and for

seamen, because they were in the practice of impressing their own

countrymen wherever they could find them. This would produce a quarrel.

There was a scheme which occurred to him, and which he judged would be

less expensive and more effectual. This was, to hire the Portuguese to

cruise against the Algerines. He understood that the Court of Lisbon

desired to keep her ships of war in actual service. The British have

been in the habit of building frigates for the service of the Algerines,

and, as he was informed, mariners, at a distance upon sea could

distinguish in what country vessels were built by their construction.

Hence it would be difficult for the captain of an American frigate to

ascertain at sea a British ship of war from an Algerine. He had an

objection to the establishment of a fleet, because, when once it had

been commenced, there would be no end of it. We must then have a

Secretary of the Navy, and a swarm of other people in office, at a

monstrous expense. If we build six ships this year, we should next year

find it necessary to build six more, and so on. The combined powers

would find a much better pretence for a war by this armament than from

the resolutions on the Report of the Secretary. Mr. C. closed his

speech, which was heard with great attention, by observing that he rose

principally to submit his opinions on this question as hints for those

who were better qualified to form a judgment on the subject than

himself.

Mr. BALDWIN expressed his doubts as to every part of this subject. He

had not been able to gain any information that was satisfactory. To

block up the Mediterranean was, he believed, impracticable. Bribery

alone could purchase security from the Algerines. Spain and Britain had

always found this method the cheapest. He had much confidence in the

gentleman who had been employed to go as an Envoy to Algiers from this

country. He was a thorough man. Mr. B. had yet formed no decided

opinion, and could wish to suspend his judgment till he learned the

issue of the present application to the Dey. If bribery would not do, he

should certainly vote for equipping a fleet.

Mr. NICHOLAS feared that we were not a match for the Algerines. A small

number of sailors were sufficient to navigate one of their ships, and

they had a militia to man them who were innumerable. He had not been

able to form an exact opinion, but he was afraid that we were not a

match for them by sea.

Mr. S. SMITH rose chiefly to answer the interrogatories proposed by Mr.

CLARK, as to what harbors in Europe American ships could retire to for

shelter? In an early part of his life, Mr. S. said that he had been in

that part of the world, and could assure the House that there was no

want of proper harbors to refit or obtain provisions in. The first he

mentioned was Toulon; Marseilles, likewise, had a most excellent harbor,

and there was no doubt that our vessels would be received there in the

most friendly way, as the Algerines had lately declared war against the

Republic of France. Spain had, likewise, several excellent

ports--Malaga, Cadiz, Barcelona, and Ferrol. In all these the American

squadron would be heartily welcome, and meet with all kinds of naval

stores in the greatest abundance. Lisbon, also, was a fine harbor, and

Oporto would be proper for the same purpose. So that, in case of

accident, the armament had nothing to fear from wanting a place of

retreat. He had no doubt that our vessels and our sailors would both be

much superior to those of the Algerines. Their ships were old and

crazy, and were presents made them by the powers with whom they are not

at war. The American bottoms must be better; and our fleet will most

likely have its station between Oran and Malaga, and, stretching across

between those two ports, block up the mouth of the Straits. He adverted

to the mistake of Mr. BALDWIN, who had said that Spain never attempted

to block up the Straits; the proper answer to which was, that Spain had

an extensive coast, not less than four or five hundred miles, within the

Mediterranean; so that she was quite differently situated, with regard

to them, from America. Mr. S. mentioned, as a consolatory circumstance,

that our profit was twice as great at present, in commerce, as it was

before the war, in spite of all the spoliations committed by Britain,

and by Spain; and, if the war continues, the profits will continue to

multiply twice as fast as they would otherwise do. As an evidence of

this fact, he mentioned the high price of wheat at present in this

market, and asked whether any gentleman had heard of a price so high at

this season of the year before? A gentleman (Mr. NICHOLAS) had spoken of

an Algerine militia. Why, sir, (said Mr. S.,) I shall set down against

them the American militia, and so that account is settled. He estimated

that the whole American exports and imports, in round numbers, was

twenty millions of dollars each; and that the extra insurance on account

of the Algerines, from one end of the year to the other, would not be

less than five per cent. to the whole, which was altogether two millions

of dollars. From this Mr. S. inferred that it must be the very worst

kind of economy to hazard an expense of two millions of dollars of

insurance, for the sake of saving the charges of this armament. He did

not see it improbable that the Algerines might very soon be on our

coast, under the command of British or American renegadoes. It was

nothing uncommon, among seamen, for two captains to be in the greatest

friendship to-day, and plundering each other's vessels to-morrow. As an

example of what Americans, in particular, are capable of doing, he

repeated the history of a Mr. Cooper, of Virginia, who, some years ago,

fitted out a ship for the express purpose of cruising against American

vessels bound from or to the East Indies. He sent a person into the

harbor of Algiers to solicit a commission from the Dey, and this envoy

had very near been taken prisoner, as the Dey wanted to have made a

slave of him. Mr. S. said that Mr. Cooper was known to be a man of

courage, of perseverance, and as possessing that species of intellectual

resources which qualify an adventurer for bold undertakings. He

inferred, from this anecdote, that, if Mr. Cooper, a man of respectable

birth and connections, could form such a scheme, what was not to be

feared from the common set of seamen? He could not tell where the danger

might end; nor did he know whether Philadelphia itself would be in

safety. They might speak of their forts as much as they pleased; he knew

their force, and did not much value it. The British had gone past them,

and what was to hinder the Algerines, or such a man as Mr. Cooper, from

getting past them? Were he on the coast of an enemy, he should not have

the least scruple of engaging to run a ship by such forts, when there

was in view so great a prospect as the plunder of Philadelphia. He

strongly pressed the necessity of sending out the proposed fleet as

quickly as possible.

Mr. AMES attacked the mover of the resolutions on the Report of the

Secretary (Mr. MADISON) for not displaying in the affair of the

Algerines some part of the spirit which he had exerted on the other

occasion. He thought it shameful to buy a peace, and that there could be

no security, if we did. He recommended an armament. Portugal had shown

herself friendly; and, referring to what Mr. CLARK had stated, he was of

opinion she would give our ships shelter in her ports. He thought that

six stout frigates at the mouth of the Straits would do the business. He

went at considerable length into Mr. MADISON's resolutions, and

condemned, upon various grounds, the arguments and conduct of the

gentlemen who supported them. Yesterday, we were told that Britain durst

not quarrel with America, and to-day she is represented as ready to do

it. Our commerce is on the point of being annihilated, and, unless an

armament is fitted out, we may very soon expect the Algerines on the

coast of America.

Mr. GILES, in reply, said that Mr. AMES drew inconsistent pictures. One

day he represented the American commerce at the summit of prosperity;

the next, it was reduced to nothing. In defence of the commercial

regulations, he reminded the House that Britain, and not Algiers, was

the real object of alarm, and the real source of hostility. It was,

therefore, proper to provide remedies against both of these illustrious

confederates. Algiers was but the instrument, Britain was the cause. The

reliance of Britain upon this instrument plainly showed that she was not

equal to a war and a commercial contest. She had, therefore, turned

loose the Algerines upon us--a fact which is pretty generally

acknowledged on both sides of the House. It is, therefore, in the power

of Britain to prevent the progress of these pirates. The commercial

restrictions will reduce Britain to difficulty, and she will then, for

the sake of friendship with America, be glad to put a stop to the

Algerine ravages. Until some measure of this kind has been adopted,

Britain, as she has raised up Algiers, will keep her up. The cheapest

mode of getting peace will certainly be by embracing the commercial

regulations. Mr. G. was averse to the proposal of a fleet. He agreed

very much with the gentleman from New Jersey, (Mr. CLARK,) that it would

be a better expedient to hire the fleet of Portugal. He considered the

establishment of a maritime force as having a direct tendency to war;

whereas, the commercial restrictions had the same tendency to peace. The

sending of American armed ships into the midst of the fleets of Europe

would certainly produce a quarrel. It had been well remarked, (by Mr.

CLARK,) that, if an attempt was made to search our ships of war, like

our merchantmen, it would infallibly produce a public affront, and

consequent hostilities.

Mr. MADISON, in reply to some remarks which had fallen from Mr. SMITH,

respecting the present high price of wheat in the American market, said,

that he had been informed of a place where wheat sold for four shillings

and sixpence per bushel only, where the dollar passes for six shillings.

Mr. M. supposed that Britain could render very essential service to the

Algerines, without embarking in a war. She has not embarked in a war to

the north-west of the Ohio, but she has done the same thing, in

substance, by supplying the Indians with arms, ammunition, and, perhaps,

with subsistence. He did not assert that Britain directed the plan of

the Indian expeditions, for he had no explicit evidence that they

actually did so. In the same way that they gave underhand assistance to

the Indians, they would give it to the Algerines, rather than hazard an

open war.

The committee now rose, without coming to the question.

FRIDAY, February 7.

JOHN PAGE, from Virginia, appeared, produced his credentials, and took

his seat in the House.

_Algerine War._

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