Before the House proceeded to the order of the day--

Mr. GERRY said, that the circumstance of a publication which had made

its appearance that morning induced him to rise for the purpose of

bringing forward a proposition respecting a full and impartial

publication of the debates of that House. Every gentleman, he believed,

would agree with him that, from a publication of this kind, the citizens

of the United States would derive such information respecting the

proceedings of the Legislature, and the principles on which the laws are

grounded, as must be productive of the most salutary effects, and attach

the people more strongly to the General Government; but the _ex parte_

publications can have no other tendency than to misrepresent their

proceedings, and alienate the affections of the citizens. He therefore

moved the following resolution:

"Whereas an impartial publication of the Debates of

Congress stating accurately their Legislative measures, and

the reasons urged for and against them, is a desirable

object, inasmuch as it may aid the Executive in

administering the Government, the Judiciary in expounding

the laws, the Governments and citizens of the several

States in forming a judgment of the conduct of their

respective Representatives, and Congress themselves in

revising and amending their Legislative proceedings: And

whereas, from the want of proper arrangements, such

publication has not been accomplished--

"_Resolved_, That ---- persons, of good reputation, and

skilled in the art of stenography, be, at the next session,

appointed by ballot, to take and publish, impartially and

accurately, the Legislative subjects which may be submitted

to the consideration of the House, and the debates thereon

of the members respectively; that the persons so to be

appointed be considered as officers of the House, and

provided for accordingly; that they be severally qualified

by oath to a faithful discharge of the trust; and that such

regulations shall be prescribed, as may be necessary to

protect them in attaining the salutary objects of their

appointment."

This, Mr. G. said, was a subject which ought no longer to be overlooked.

Whilst Congress sat at New York, great uneasiness had been occasioned in

the House by the mode in which the debates were published. Sometimes

members were introduced as uttering arguments directly the reverse of

what they had advanced. At other times, the substance of the arguments,

as published, wore an aspect widely different from what they had when

offered in debate. In some instances, their arguments were so garbled

that they themselves were unable to recognize them in print; in others,

they were disfigured with grammatical errors, and rendered totally

unintelligible; and on many occasions, the arguments on one side of the

question only were published.

Such were the effects produced by this mode of publication that a

gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. BURKE) brought forward a motion for

correcting those evils, which was debated for some time. After the

subject had been two or three times under discussion, the House was

informed that there was a probability of care being taken in future to

correct the errors; and thus the matter was passed over.

Mr. G. then mentioned a circumstance which he had learned from a

gentleman who had declared he could prove it on oath before the House,

if called upon, viz: that, having asked one of those persons who at that

time published the debates, "how he could think of publishing them so

inaccurately?" the answer was, "that he was under a necessity of

obliging his employers." Hence, he concluded that there must have been a

corrupt faction who influenced that short-hand writer.

When Congress first came to this city, the debates were published pretty

accurately; and so they were this session, in some of the papers, but,

in others, the case was otherwise; and he himself, as well as other

gentlemen, had been under a necessity of publicly contradicting them in

print. In some of the debates, the answer to an argument was published

before the argument itself made its appearance; on other occasions, they

were published very fully on one side of the question, whilst nothing

appeared on the other. Every gentleman, he believed, would admit that

this was a true state of the business; and it was well known that, on

many important occasions, no debates had been published at all.

The want of regularity in the publication was, he supposed, owing, in

some measure, to the want of proper encouragement, as the printers of

newspapers would not probably find their account in allowing a

sufficient compensation to induce short-hand writers to devote their

whole time to the business.

Mr. G. then read from the American Daily Advertiser (of Friday last) the

following passage:

"A warm debate hereupon took place, during the course of

which one gentleman, who strenuously supported the motion,

was several times interrupted. Apprehensions were expressed

of dangerous consequences, in case his speech should appear

in print; and an honorable member, who opposed the motion,

(Mr. GERRY,) declared that the manner in which the Debates

of Congress had been published, and the business conducted,

during the present session, had a direct tendency to bring

about a dissolution of the Union.

"As the honorable gentleman did not further explain

himself, we are at a loss to determine whether he meant to

tax the publishers of the debates with inaccuracy in

stating them wrong,----or imprudence, in stating them

right, and freely publishing whatever sentiments any member

of that House may think proper to express, in the

constitutional exercise of the freedom of debate. But,

certain we are, that he could not mean to stigmatize them

as actuated by partiality, undue influence, or sinister

motives of any kind."

Here, said Mr. G., an idea was held up that the gentleman who had spoken

first (Mr. MERCER) was interrupted. But it is not said that I was

interrupted too. I was interrupted as often as he. The House can

determine whether I have ever taken any measure to prevent a free and

candid publication of the debates. On the contrary, I have always

endeavored to obtain it; and I will still proceed to accomplish it as

far as possible. I think neither this House nor any of its members ought

to be subject to publications of this kind. If they are, they will be

obliged either to enter into paper wars with printers, or to relinquish

the public good. It is incumbent on the House to take measures to

prevent misrepresentation. I therefore submit to the House the

resolution which I have read; and I hope that, if the proposition itself

appears worthy of their attention, they will take it into consideration;

or, if it wants any amendment, they will refer it to a committee; for I

think the subject ought not to be any longer neglected.

Mr. MERCER.--I second the motion; and I think the publication which the

honorable gentleman has read to the House contains but a fair statement

of facts. The gentleman, in the course of the former debate, made some

very strange allusions to what was said by me, which were wholly

unauthorized. I consider it as a primary object in this Government that

we should on this floor be at all times free to express our sentiments

of the Government, without involving the Government itself. I consider

such a measure as is now contemplated to be well worthy the serious

attention of the House. We are at a distance from our constituents; and

it is a misfortune that we are withdrawn from their inspection, by being

placed in a part of the Union where it is not easy to compare our

circumstances and conduct in private life with the motives which may be

supposed to influence our political conduct. Our constituents ought to

be acquainted with our proceedings here; and it is only from a full and

accurate publication of the debates of this House that they can obtain

any satisfactory information on this subject.

Mr. GERRY said, that the paragraph he had read did not contain a full

statement of facts, as the apprehensions he had expressed were only in

case the arguments should go "_unanswered_."

Mr. GILES made, and Mr. W. SMITH seconded, a motion for referring the

resolution to a select committee, to report such regulation as they may

think necessary for the publication of the debates. An additional reason

for the reference was, that some alteration in the wording appeared

necessary, to (Mr. SMITH,) so far as respects the Judiciary, &c.

Mr. BOUDINOT objected to the commitment, as he thought it a subject of

considerable consequence, and there would not be time to take it up

during the present session, the House having already outsat the time

which the other branch of the Legislature had proposed for the

adjournment. This was his only objection; otherwise, he was far from

being opposed to the measure.

Mr. GILES thought the consequence of letting the matter lie over till

next session would be, that it would die away, and nothing would be

done. Unless some steps be taken during the present session, no persons

would come forward as candidates at the commencement of the next. But if

a committee report on the subject, the House may determine what steps

are to be taken, and the people will be prepared accordingly.

The question being taken on the commitment, it passed in the

affirmative--yeas 27, nays, 22.

_Ordered_, That the said motion be committed to Mr. GERRY, Mr. MERCER,

Mr. LEE, Mr. SMITH, (of South Carolina,) and Mr. KITTERA.

TUESDAY, May 8.

A message was received from the Senate, notifying the House that the

Senate, having completed the Legislative business before them, are now

about to adjourn. Whereupon,

_Ordered_, That a message be sent to the Senate to inform them that this

House, having completed the business before them, are now about to

adjourn until the first Monday in November next, and that the Clerk of

this House do go with the said message.

The Clerk accordingly went with the said message; and, being returned,

The SPEAKER adjourned the House, to meet on the first Monday in November

next.

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