The commonwealth of Virginia, in gratitude for the services of Major

General the Marquis de la Fayette, have determined to erect his bust in

their Capital. Desirous to place a like monument of his worth, and of

their sense of it, in the country to which they are indebted for his

birth, they have hoped that the city of Paris will consent to become the

depository of this second testimony of their gratitude. Being charged by

them with the execution of their wishes, I have the honor to solicit of

Messieurs le Prevot des Marchands et Echevins, on behalf of the city,

their acceptance of a bust of this gallant officer, and that they will

be pleased to place it where, doing most honor to him, it will most

gratify the feelings of an allied nation.

It is with true pleasure that I obey the call of that commonwealth, to

render just homage to a character so great in its first developements,

that they would honor the close of any other. Their country covered by

a small army against a great one, their exhausted means supplied by his

talents, their enemies finally forced to that spot whither their allies

and confederates were collecting to receive them, and a war which had

spread its miseries into the four quarters of the earth thus reduced

to a single point, where one blow should terminate it, and through the

whole, an implicit respect paid to the laws of the land; these are facts

which would illustrate any character, and which fully justify the warmth

of those feelings, of which I have the honor, on this occasion, to be

the organ.

It would have been more pleasing to me to have executed this office in

person, to have mingled the tribute of private gratitude with that of my

country, and, at the same time, to have had an opportunity of presenting

to your honorable body, the homage of that profound respect which I have

the honor to bear them. But I am withheld from these grateful duties,

by the consequences of a fall, which confine me to my room. Mr. Short,

therefore, a citizen of the State of Virginia, and heretofore a member

of its Council of State, will have the honor of delivering you this

letter, together with the resolution of the General Assembly of

Virginia. He will have that, also, of presenting the bust at such time

and place, as you will be so good as to signify your pleasure to receive

it. Through him, I beg to be allowed the honor of presenting those

sentiments of profound respect and veneration, with which I am,

Gentlemen, your most obedient and most humble servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER XXIII.--TO COLONEL MONROE, July 9, 1786

TO COLONEL MONROE.

Paris, July 9, 1786.

Dear Sir,

I wrote you last on the 10th of May; since which your favor of May the

11th has come to hand. The political world enjoys great quiet here. The

King of Prussia is still living, but like the snuff of a candle, which

sometimes seems out, and then blazes up again. Some think that his death

will not produce any immediate effect in Europe. His kingdom like a

machine, will go on for some time with the winding up he has given it.

The King’s visit to Cherbourg has made a great sensation in England

and here. It proves to the world, that it is a serious object to this

country, and that the King commits himself for the accomplishment of

it. Indeed, so many cones have been sunk, that no doubt remains of the

practicability of it. It will contain, as is said, eighty ships of

the line, be one of the best harbors in the world, and by means of two

entrances, on different sides, will admit vessels to come in and go out

with every wind. The effect of this, in another war with England, defies

calculation. Having no news to communicate, I will recur to the subjects

of your letter of May the 11th.

With respect to the new States, were the question to stand simply in

this form, How may the ultramontane territory be disposed of, so as to

produce the greatest and most immediate benefit to the inhabitants of

the maritime States of the Union? the plan would be more plausible, of

laying it off into two or three States only. Even on this view, however,

there would still be something to be said against it, which might render

it at least doubtful. But that is a question, which good faith forbids

us to receive into discussion. This requires us to state the question in

its just form, How may the territories of the Union be disposed of, so

as to produce the greatest degree of happiness to their inhabitants?

With respect to the maritime States, little or nothing remains to

be done. With respect, then, to the ultramontane States, will their

inhabitants be happiest, divided into States of thirty thousand square

miles, not quite as large as Pennsylvania, or into States of one hundred

and sixty thousand square miles each, that is to say, three times as

large as Virginia within the Allegany? They will not only be happier in

States of moderate size, but it is the only way in which they can exist

as a regular society. Considering the American character in general,

that of those people particularly, and the energetic nature of our

governments, a State of such extent as one hundred and sixty thousand

square miles, would soon crumble into little ones. These are the

circumstances, which reduce the Indians to such small societies. They

would produce an effect on our people, similar to this. They would not

be broken into such small pieces, because they are more habituated to

subordination, and value more a government of regular law. But you

would surely reverse the nature of things, in making small States on

the ocean, and large ones beyond the mountains. If we could, in our

consciences, say, that great States beyond the mountains will make the

people happiest, we must still ask, whether they will be contented to be

laid off into large States. They certainly will not: and if they decide

to divide themselves, we are not able to restrain them. They will end by

separating from our confederacy, and becoming its enemies. We had better

then look forward, and see what will be the probable course of things.

This will surely be a division of that country into States, of a small,

or, at most, of a moderate size. If we lay them off into such, they will

acquiesce; and we shall have the advantage of arranging them, so as to

produce the best combinations of interest. What Congress have already

done in this matter, is an argument the more, in favor of the revolt of

those States against a different arrangement, and of their acquiescence

under a continuance of that. Upon this plan, we treat them as

fellow-citizens; they will have a just share in their own government;

they will love us, and pride themselves in an union with us. Upon

the other, we treat them as subjects; we govern them, and not they

themselves; they will abhor us as masters, and break off from us in

defiance. I confess to you, that I can see no other turn that these two

plans would take. But I respect your opinion, and your knowledge of the

country, too much, to be over-confident in my own.

I thank you sincerely for your communication, that my not having sooner

given notice of the _Arrêts_ relative to fish, gave discontent to some

persons. These are the most friendly offices you can do me, because they

enable me to justify myself, if I am right, or correct myself, if wrong.

If those who thought I might have been remiss, would have written to me

on the subject, I should have admired them for their candor, and thanked

them for it: for I have no jealousies nor resentments at things of this

kind, where I have no reason to believe they have been excited by a

hostile spirit; and I suspect no such spirit in a single member of

Congress. You know there were two _Arrêts_; the first of August the

30th, 1784, the second of the 18th and 25th of September, 1785. As to

the first, it would be a sufficient justification of myself, to say,

that it was in the time of my predecessor, nine months before I came

into office, and that there was no more reason for my giving information

of it, when I did come into office, than of all the other transactions,

which preceded that period. But this would seem to lay a blame on Dr.

Franklin for not communicating it, which I am confident he did not

deserve. This government affects a secrecy in all its transactions

whatsoever, though they be of a nature not to admit a perfect secrecy.

Their _Arrêts_ respecting the islands go to those islands, and are

unpublished and unknown in France, except in the bureau where they are

formed. That of August, 1784, would probably be communicated to the

merchants of the seaport towns also. But Paris having no commercial

connections with them, if any thing makes its way from a seaport town

to Paris, it must be by accident. We have, indeed, agents in these

seaports; but they value their offices so little, that they do not

trouble themselves to inform us of what is passing there. As a proof

that these things do not transpire here, nor are easily got at,

recollect that Mr. Adams, Dr. Franklin, and myself were all here on the

spot together, from August, 1784, to June, 1785, that is to say, ten

months, and yet not one of us knew of the _Arrêt_ of August, 1784.

September the 18th and 25th, 1785, the second was passed. And here alone

I became responsible. I think it was about six weeks before I got notice

of it, that is, in November. On the 20th of that month, writing to Count

de Vergennes on another subject, I took occasion to remonstrate to him

on that. But from early in November, when the Fitzhughs went to America.

I had never a confidential opportunity of writing to Mr. Jay from hence,

directly, for several months. In a letter of December the 14th, to

Mr. Jay, I mentioned to him the want of an opportunity to write to him

confidentially, which obliged me at that moment to write by post via

London, and on such things only, as both post-offices were welcome to

see. On the 2nd of January, Mr. Bingham setting out for London, I wrote

to Mr. Jay, sending him a copy of my letter to Count de Vergennes, and

stating something, which had passed in conversation on the same subject.

I prayed Mr. Bingham to take charge of the letter, and either to send it

by a safe hand, or carry it himself, as circumstances should render most

advisable. I believe he kept it, to carry himself. He did not sail from

London till about the 12th of March, nor arrive in America till the

middle of May. Thus you see, that causes had prevented a letter, which

I had written on the 20th of November, from getting to America till the

month of May. No wonder, then, if notice of this _Arrêt_ came first to

you by the way of the West Indies: and, in general, I am confident, that

you will receive notice of the regulations of this country, respecting

their islands, by the way of those islands, before you will from hence.

Nor can this be remedied, but by a system of bribery, which would end

in the corruption of your own ministers, and produce no good adequate

to the expense. Be so good as to communicate these circumstances to the

persons who you think may have supposed me guilty of remissness on this

occasion.

I will turn to a subject more pleasing to both, and give you my sincere

congratulations on your marriage. Your own dispositions, and the

inherent comforts of that state, will insure you a great addition of

happiness. Long may you live to enjoy it, and enjoy it in full measure.

The interest I feel in every one connected with you, will justify my

presenting my earliest respects to the lady, and of tendering her the

homage of my friendship. I shall be happy at all times to be useful to

either of you, and to receive your commands. I enclose you the bill of

lading of your _Encyclopédie_. With respect to the remittance for it,

of which you make mention, I beg you not to think of it. I know, by

experience, that on proceeding to make a settlement in life, a man has

need of all his resources; and I should be unhappy, were you to lessen

them by an attention to this trifle. Let it lie till you have nothing

else to do with your money. Adieu, my Dear Sir, and be assured of the

esteem with which I am your friend and servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER XXIV.--TO JOHN ADAMS, July 11, 1786

TO JOHN ADAMS.

Paris, July 11, 1786.

Dear Sir,

Our instructions relative to the Barbary States having required us to

proceed by way of negotiation to obtain their peace, it became our

duty to do this to the best of our power. Whatever might be our private

opinions, they were to be suppressed, and the line marked out to us

was to be followed. It has been so, honestly and zealously. It was,

therefore, never material for us to consult together on the best plan

of conduct towards these States. I acknowledge I very, early thought it

would be best to effect a peace through the medium of war. Though it

is a question with which we have nothing to do, yet as you propose

some discussion of it, I shall trouble you with my reasons. Of the four

positions laid down in your letter of the 3rd instant, I agree to the

three first, which are, in substance, that the good offices of our

friends cannot procure us a peace, without paying its price, that they

cannot materially lessen that price; and that paying it, we can have the

peace in spite of the intrigues of our enemies. As to the fourth, that

the longer the negotiation is delayed, the larger will be the demand;

this will depend on the intermediate captures: if they are many and

rich, the price may be raised; if few and poor, it will be lessened.

However, if it is decided, that we shall buy a peace, I know no reason

for delaying the operation, but should rather think it ought to be

hastened: but I should prefer the obtaining it by war.

1. Justice is in favor of this opinion. 2. Honor favors it. 3. It will

procure us respect in Europe; and respect is a safeguard to interest. 4.

It will arm the federal head with the safest of all the instruments of

coercion over its delinquent members, and prevent it from using what

would be less safe. I think, that so far you go with me. But in the

next steps we shall differ. 5. I think it least expensive. 6. Equally

effectual. I ask a fleet of one hundred and fifty guns, the one half

of which shall be in constant cruise. This fleet, built, manned, and

victualled for six months, will cost four hundred and fifty thousand

pounds sterling. Its annual expense will be three hundred pounds

sterling a gun, including every thing: this will be forty-five thousand

pounds sterling a year. I take British experience for the basis of my

calculation: though we know, from our own experience, that we can do in

this way for pounds lawful, what costs them pounds sterling. Were we to

charge all this to the Algerine war, it would amount to little more than

we must pay if we buy peace. But as it is proper and necessary, that we

should establish a small marine force (even were we to buy a peace from

the Algerines), and as that force, laid up in our dock-yard, would cost

us half as much annually as if kept in order for service, we have a

right to say, that only twenty-two thousand and five hundred pounds

sterling, per annum, should be charged to the Algerine war. 6. It will

be as effectual. To all the mismanagements of Spain and Portugal, urged

to show that war against those people is ineffectual, I urge a single

fact to prove the contrary, where there is any management. About forty

years ago, the Algerines having broke their treaty with France, this

court sent Monsieur de Massiac, with one large and two small frigates:

he blockaded the harbor of Algiers three months, and they subscribed

to the terms he proposed. If it be admitted, however, that war, on the

fairest prospects, is still exposed to uncertainties, I weigh against

this the greater uncertainty of the duration of a peace bought with

money, from such a people, from a Dey eighty years old, and by a nation

who, on the hypothesis of buying peace, is to have no power on the sea

to enforce an observance of it.

So far I have gone on the supposition, that the whole weight of this war

would rest on us. But, 1. Naples will join us. The character of their

naval minister (Acton), his known sentiments with respect to the peace

Spain is officiously trying to make for them, and his dispositions

against the Algerines, give the best grounds to believe it. 2. Every

principle of reason assures,us, that Portugal will join us. I state this

as taking for granted, what all seem to believe, that they will not

be at peace with Algiers. I suppose, then, that a convention might be

formed between Portugal, Naples, and the United States, by which

the burthen of the war might be quotaed on them, according to their

respective wealth; and the term of it should be, when Algiers should

subscribe to a peace with all three on equal terms. This might be left

open for other nations to accede to, and many, if not most of the powers

of Europe (except France, England, Holland, and Spain, if her peace be

made), would sooner or later enter into the confederacy, for the sake of

having their peace with the piratical States guarantied by the whole.

I suppose, that, in this case, our proportion of force would not be the

half of what I first calculated on.

These are the reasons, which have influenced my judgment on this

question. I give them to you, to show you that I am imposed on by a

semblance of reason at least; and not with an expectation of their

changing your opinion. You have viewed the subject, I am sure, in

all its bearings. You have weighed both questions, with all their

circumstances. You make the result different from what I do. The same

facts impress us differently. This is enough to make me suspect an error

in my process of reasoning, though I am not able to detect it. It is of

no consequence; as I have nothing to say in the decision, and am ready

to proceed heartily on any other plan, which may be adopted, if my

agency should be thought useful. With respect to the dispositions of the

States, I am utterly uninformed. I cannot help thinking, however, that

on a view of all the circumstances, they might be united in either of

the plans.

Having written this on the receipt of your letter, without knowing

of any opportunity of sending it, I know not when it will go: I add

nothing, therefore, on any other subject, but assurances of the sincere

esteem and respect, with which I am,

Dear Sir, your friend and servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER XXV.--TO JOHN JAY, August 11, 1786

TO JOHN JAY.

Paris, August 11, 1786.

Sir,

Since the date of my last, which was of July the 8th, I have been

honored with the receipt of yours of June the 16th. I am to thank you,

on the part of the minister of Geneva, for the intelligence it contained

on the subject of Gallatin, whose relations will be relieved by the

receipt of it.

The enclosed intelligence, relative to the instructions of the court of

London to Sir Guy Carleton, came to me through the Count de la Touche

and Marquis de la Fayette. De la Touche is a director under the Marechal

de Castries, minister for the marine department, and possibly receives

his intelligence from him, and he from their ambassador at London.

Possibly, too, it might be fabricated here. Yet weighing the characters

of the ministry of St. James’s and Versailles, I think the former more

capable of giving such instructions, than the latter of fabricating them

for the small purposes the fabrication could answer.

The Gazette of France, of July the 28th, announces the arrival of

Peyrouse at Brazil, that he was to touch at Otaheite, and proceed to

California, and still further northwardly. This paper, as you well

know, gives out such facts as the court are willing the world should

be possessed of. The presumption is, therefore, that they will make an

establishment of some sort on the northwest coast of America.

I trouble you with the copy of a letter from Schweighauser and Dobree,

on a subject with which I am quite unacquainted. Their letter to

Congress of November the 30th, 1780, gives their state of the matter.

How far it be true and just, can probably be ascertained from Dr.

Franklin, Dr. Lee, and other gentlemen now in America. I shall be glad

to be honored with the commands of Congress on this subject. I have

inquired into the state of the arms, mentioned in their letter to

me. The principal articles were about thirty thousand bayonets, fifty

thousand gunlocks, thirty cases of arms, twenty-two cases of sabres, and

some other things of little consequence. The quay at Nantes having been

overflowed by the river Loire, the greatest part of these arms was under

water, and they are now, as I am informed, a solid mass of rust, not

worth the expense of throwing them out of the warehouse, much less that

of storage. Were not their want of value a sufficient reason against

reclaiming the property of these arms, it rests with Congress to decide,

whether other reasons are not opposed to this reclamation. They were the

property of a sovereign body, they were seized by an individual, taken

cognizance of by a court of justice, and refused, or at least not

restored by the sovereign, within whose State they had been arrested.

These are circumstances which have been mentioned to me. Doctor

Franklin, however, will be able to inform Congress, with precision, as

to what passed on this subject. If the information I have received be

any thing like the truth, the discussion of this matter can only be with

the court of Versailles. It would be very delicate, and could have but

one of two objects; either to recover the arms, which are not worth

receiving, or to satisfy us on the point of honor. Congress will judge

how far the latter may be worth pursuing against a particular ally, and

under actual circumstances. An instance, too, of acquiescence on our

part under a wrong, rather than disturb our friendship by altercations,

may have its value in some future case. However, I shall be ready to do

in this what Congress shall be pleased to direct.

I enclose the despatches relative to the Barbary negotiation, received

since my last. It is painful to me to overwhelm Congress and yourself

continually with these voluminous papers. But I have no right to

suppress any part of them, and it is one of those cases, where, from

a want of well digested information, we must be contented to examine a

great deal of rubbish, in order to find a little good matter.

The gazettes of Leyden and France, to the present date, accompany this,

which, for want of direct and safe opportunities, I am obliged to send

by an American gentleman, by the way of London. The irregularity of the

French packets has diverted elsewhere the tide of passengers who used to

furnish me occasions of writing to you, without permitting my letters

to go through the post-office. So that when the packets go now, I can

seldom write by them.

I have the honor to be, with sentiments of the highest esteem and

respect, Sir, your most obedient and most humble servant,

Th: Jefferson.

[The annexed is a translation of the paper referred to in

the preceding letter, on the subject of the instructions

given to Sir Guy Carleton.]

_An extract of English political news, concerning North America, July

14th, 1786_.

General Carleton departs in a few days with M. de la Naudiere, a

Canadian gentleman. He has made me acquainted with the Indian Colonel

Joseph Brandt. It is certain that he departs with the most positive

instructions to distress the Americans as much as possible, and to

create them enemies on all sides.

Colonel Brandt goes loaded with presents for himself, and for several

chiefs of the tribes bordering on Canada. It would be well for the

Americans to know in time, that enemies are raised against them, in

order to derange their system of government, and to add to the confusion

which already exists in it. The new possessions of England will not only

gain what America shall lose, but will acquire strength in proportion to

the weakening of the United States.

Sooner or later, the new States which are forming will place themselves

under the protection of England, which can always communicate with them

through Canada; and which, in case of future necessity, can harass the

United States on one side, by her shipping, and on the other, by her

intrigues. This system has not yet come to maturity, but it is unfolded,

and we may rely upon the instructions given to Colonel Brandt.

LETTER XXVI.--TO COLONEL MONROE, August 11, 1786

TO COLONEL MONROE.

Paris, August 11, 1786.

Dear Sir,

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