A. When the mayor got there I passed right on Lackawanna avenue.
Q. Did you see anybody in this crowd that came up Washington avenue
with clubs?
A. I saw some boys had sticks--or laths, rather.
Q. What do you mean by boys?
A. Boys from twelve to fourteen.
Q. You did not see any attack made on the mayor at all?
A. No, sir; I did not. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Did you see Father Dunn?
A. I think I did see the mayor struck. I would not be positive though.
I think I saw the mayor struck. I would not be positive.
Q. Who struck him? A boy?
A. No, sir. I think it was a man.
Q. What did he strike him with?
A. I could not see what he struck him with. I was quite a distance
away. I was up on Washington avenue.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. At what point was it you saw the mayor struck?
A. Right below the culvert.
Q. The causeway under the railroad?
A. Yes, sir.
By Senator Reyburn:
Q. What did the crowd say when they came up Washington avenue? Did you
hear any expressions from the crowd what they were going to do?
A. When I passed by I heard them ask who it was that was going towards
McKinney's office. They said it was the mayor. Those were the only
words I heard spoken.
Q. You say you came up Washington avenue, and sat down?
A. I sat down on the corner of Hunt's store, on Washington avenue.
Q. When the crowd came up--after the vigilants came up the street--did
the crowd say what they were going to do?
A. No, sir; they walked right along up the streets.
Q. What did those boys say?
A. The boys were ahead of the men. I did not pay much attention to what
was going on. I saw the crowd pass up.
Q. Was there much noise?
A. No, sir.
Q. Walking quietly, were they?
A. Yes; they were walking at a fair gait.
Q. Now, was there not some kind of a row when the mayor was struck;
were they walking quietly then?
A. They were standing--the majority of the crowd were standing down
around the shops at that time.
Q. Where did this man come from that struck the mayor--that you think
struck the mayor?
A. I could not say where he came from.
Q. Did he not come out of the crowd?
A. That is something I could not say, either.
Q. You must, certainly, if you got an impression on your mind that you
saw him struck--you must certainly know where the man came from--you
say it was a man?
A. I think the first I saw of the man, was right in front of the mayor.
Where he came from, I could not say anything of the kind.
Q. Was the crowd about the mayor trying to protect him?
A. Yes; some of them were.
Q. You did not see anything of this crowd that came out with clubs--out
of the shops?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. You say you heard somebody asking who it was?
A. Yes, sir; that passed through the crowd.
Q. Where did the reply, "the mayor," come from?
A. From the crowd. About the center of the crowd.
Q. Did you not hear some expression from these men that came out of the
shops?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Such as, "go for him," or "kill him," or something of that kind. Did
you hear any expression of that kind in the crowd?
A. No, sir; I did not stand there at all. I passed right through.
Q. After the crowd got to Lackawanna avenue, where did you go?
A. I stood right there.
Q. On the corner?
A. Yes; about a couple of yards back. I stood about four or five feet
away from where one of the men was struck.
Q. Where were the vigilant placed?
A. The last one stood about the corner of Mr. Hunt's store.
Q. Were they drawn up in line across the street?
A. No, sir; they were in twos, going down the street.
Q. Not this way?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did they halt or march off down the street?
A. They halted right there.
Q. And faced about and faced the crowd?
A. They turned towards--facing the crowd; yes, sir.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. When the firing took place, were they facing?
A. Facing towards the crowd.
Q. Facing down this way?
A. No, sir; facing that way.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. Were they drawn across the street in a line, or how were they
placed?
A. As near as I can recollect it, they turned, and faced around.
Suppose they were going down this way, [illustrating,] and they faced
that way. [Illustrating.]
Q. Were they faced in a straight line across this avenue?
A. Not that I saw.
Q. Were they up and down the street--I mean, for instance, facing that
side--lengthwise?
A. Yes; that is about the position they stood.
Q. Lengthwise, down this street?
A. Yes; and then they turned right around, as near as I can recollect
it. When I saw them facing, each man stood right behind the other, and
they turned right around and faced.
Q. In what direction?
A. Towards Washington avenue, where the crowd was coming up.
By Mr. Larrabee:
Q. Faced towards you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. They fired pretty close to you?
A. Yes, sir. I did not know what was going on, for about a minute,
until I heard one buzz pass my ear, and I thought it was time for me to
get out. I ran back into Mr. Hunt's building after the fire was over,
and they began to form a line across Washington--right on Washington
avenue--began to form in line; then I came out.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. The position you describe is, that they formed across Washington
avenue, facing towards the shop?
A. After the firing was done, they formed to go towards the company's
store.
Q. When the firing was done, where were they formed?
A. Right about the center of the street, on the street car track,
coming down this way.
Q. Did not reach Washington avenue?
A. Yes; it was past it.
By Senator Reyburn:
Q. You say there was a man shot within four or five feet of you. What
was he doing?
A. I could not say what he was doing. I saw him fall.
Q. You did not see what he was doing, before the shot was fired?
A. No, sir; I turned round just as he was falling, and one buzzed
alongside of me, and I got.
Q. Was there any demonstration made by the crowd at all, before this
firing?
A. No, sir; not that I heard.
Q. Did not see any stones thrown?
A. No, sir; the majority of the crowd was up past me, when the shots
began to fire. There was one man came up, and he was talking with me,
and he says, "What is this coming down the street?" and I looked
around, and saw what was called the vigilants.
Q. Were you in position to see the stones when they were thrown?
A. Yes; I think I would, if there were any thrown. I stood right on a
level with Lackawanna avenue.
Q. Had the crowd got across Lackawanna avenue?
A. There were some; I could not say exactly whether they crossed to the
other side of the street or not.
Q. How many men were killed there?
A. Three.
Q. Whereabouts were they standing when they were killed?
A. One of them stood right at Hunt's corner, where I was standing, and
as to where the others were, I could not say where they were, but after
the firing was over one of them lay right in front of Monie & Pugh's
bakery, and the other one lay right across from Hunt's.
Q. On this side of the street?
A. No, sir; on the other side. One of them lay on the street and one
lay on the sidewalk on Washington avenue.
Q. Were they both on the right hand side of the street going up from
here to Lackawanna avenue?
A. One of them was, and the other one was just outside of the
side-walk.
Q. On the left hand side as you go up?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. If the firing was done in the other direction how could this man be
shot upon that? You say they were facing down Washington avenue or in
that direction--facing to the right up Lackawanna avenue?
A. Yes, sir; when the shots began to fire.
Q. You do not know whether this other man on the left or rear was shot
at the same time or not?
A. He was shot with that volley.
Q. Did you hear any command given to fire?
A. Yes; as near as I can recollect, there was some one gave a command
to fire, but who it was, I could not say.
Q. Give us the exact words if you can?