By Mr. Reyburn:
Q. What is your full name?
A. Michael Mulvaney.
Q. Where do you reside?
A. In Eighth ward, Pittsburgh.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Policeman.
Q. Were you on the police force in July, at the time of the
disturbance?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What days were you on?
A. On Thursday, the mayor's clerk told me to go to the Union depot
there, and report to Mr. Butler. Mr. Butler told me to go to work at
the round-house, and two or three more of us went down and we remained
there. We went to the round-house, and we met some more of the police
and stayed there for a long time. There was a big crowd around there. A
lot of the police jumped on the train to help take it out--a
double-header. Eight or nine of the police jumped on the train, and I
saw the engineer and fireman jump off. The fireman and engineer jumped
off. That is all I saw at that time. Everything was quiet.
Q. Were you there during that time?
A. No, sir; I was not. I left at four or five o'clock.
Q. Clearing the tracks and keeping the crowd off?
A. The crowd stood one side.
By Mr. Means:
Q. Were you one of the discharged men?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who sent for you to appear at the mayor's office?
A. I think it was the mayor's clerk or the chief clerk. I could not say
which of the two.
Q. How many of you went out together?
A. Me and two more fellows went together at that time.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. You went up there to help to take out the train--a double-header?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many of you?
A. I could not say. There was a good many police there. I could not say
how many.
Q. Were you on the engine?
A. No, sir; I was not on the engine. I saw a lot of them jump on the
engine.
Q. Policemen?
A. Policemen.
Q. Were there any threats made against the engineer or fireman?
A. I did not hear any.
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Conrad Shaffer, _sworn_:
By Senator Reyburn:
Q. What is your full name?
A. Conrad Shaffer.
Q. Where do you reside?
A. 318 Fifth avenue.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Police officer eight years and nine months.
Q. Were you on the police force last July, at the time of the riots?
A. I was not, sir.
Q. Were you sent for to appear at the mayor's office?
A. On Thursday morning, when this occurred, we were standing down there
on Smithfield street. We just had been paid off, and I was standing
there with George Kauffman, another police officer, and Detective
O'Mara came to us and said we were wanted at the mayor's office. We
went over, and they said to us there was a strike some place. They did
not tell us where. There was ten of us gathered around there in the
mayor's office, and we were marched by Smithfield street to the Union
depot. Mr. Fox, the railroad officer, was along. We walked up
Smithfield to the Union depot and got into a car with the shifter in
front, and took us out to Twenty-eighth street. They stopped there and
we got out, and when we got there this man McCall, who struck Watt--I
seen the man running backwards and forwards--then somebody got him by
the back of the neck, and I then ran up and put the nippers on him and
arrested him and took him to the Twelfth ward station-house, and we
went back to the railroad track. I stayed there all the forenoon, until
about two o'clock in the afternoon. There was a train came along, and
Mr. Fox came to us and said he wanted men on the engine. Fox told me
and Cochran to stay in the rear, and we went back to the rear, and
while we were going back the train moved on, and men got in front and
done this like, [holding up his hands,] and the engineer got off. The
second engineer got off, and the men that was firing they got off, and
we stopped there then all the afternoon, and we went to the central
station. We had our supper in the Continental, and after we had supper
we were marched back again out to the depot. Walked up then to what
they call the dispatch office, at the outer depot. There is a little
house that they call the dispatch office, and a telegraph dispatch came
in that they did not want any more officers--thought they could do
without the police out there--so then we stood there for a long time,
and did not know what to do, and Clerk Davis told us we might go home
if they did not want us. Directly a dispatch came in that we could go
out. We were put on a car and taken out again, and we remained all that
night, until half past three o'clock in the morning. Then there was no
disturbance going on, and we went home. I then stayed at home. We were
not wanted any more--the city did not want us, and the railroad company
did not want us.
Q. Did they tell you they did not want you?
A. We were our bosses.
Q. You say the railroad company did not want you?
A. I did not see any official of the Pennsylvania railroad there at
all. On Monday evening after the proclamation was issued for all the
old officers to come back again, I went to the Central station and
offered my services, and on Monday morning the mayor, and General
Negley, and a squad of his men, and a company of Mr. McFarland's were
marched down Smithfield street to this place, where the boat was coming
in from Elizabeth--right down here on second avenue--and stopped them,
and the mayor and General Negley then made speeches to the men, told
them they had better not raise any violence in the city of Pittsburgh,
and keep quiet. We were taken away again, and placed on the city of
Pittsburgh force on our regular beat.
Q. After you tried to start this train, and the men waved their hands,
and the train stopped, did you get off?
A. I was not on the train. I was in the rear of it.
Q. Were the officers in possession of the track?
A. There was officers all along the track.
Q. They could have run this train. It was possible for the train to go
out; that is, the crowd could not have interfered.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You went back to the depot after supper?
A. After we had supper, we marched to the Union depot. Went into the
telegraph office, outside the Union depot--there was a two story frame
they called a dispatch office. A dispatch came in that they did not
want any officers, and I asked Clerk Davis, says I, "Don't they want
any more police out there" and he said, "It seems not."
Q. Who is Clerk Davis?
A. He was the chief's clerk.
Q. The mayor's clerk?
A. No, sir; the chief's clerk.
Q. He was not a railroad official?
A. No, sir; the chief's clerk.
Q. Dispatch came that they did not want any more officers?
A. They dispatched that a man was here, and if they wanted him, they
could have him. There were two young men in there that were playing
checkers. I could see them standing at the window and looking in. They
were playing checkers at the time, and I walked right up to Mr. Davis,
and the young fellow held his ear right down to the instrument when it
came. They telegraphed, "You can send him, if the man is willing to go
out." So he went.
Q. You did not go back, you said.
A. I went home.
By Mr. Means:
Q. Did you know those engineers that jumped off the train?
A. No, sir; they were perfect strangers to me.
Q. Did you know the man that waved, to stop the train?
A. No, sir; he was a tall young man, light moustache, to the best of my
recollection.
Q. Did you know any of the railroad employés?
A. No, sir. It was on a different part of the city. My way was out here
on Fifth avenue, that was over on the other side.
By Mr. Yutzy:
Q. Did they start the train?
A. They ran about the length of this room.
Q. How many men were on the track in front, and waved and signaled to
stop?
A. I could not say how many there were in front of the train. There was
not any more on the track than there is in this room.
Q. Did they make any threats?
A. No, sir.
Q. Said nothing to the engineers?