Q. As soon as it was discovered----

A. As soon as it was discovered, those he knew to be rioters he had

arrested, and sent to the lockup. The others were picked out by their

appearance, and he had them mustered out.

Q. Did you keep any men in these commands you knew were among the

rioters?

A. None we knew of. General Negley was very particular in regard to

them. My own knowledge in reference to tramps was brought out on

Sunday, the day of the riot. I wanted to come to town to see what was

going on, and my family persuaded me to remain at home for a double

reason. They were not very far from the stock-yards, which were

threatened by fire, and the hotel out there, and another reason for my

remaining at home was the great number of tramps, that for some days

before had been coming along the road and getting food. East Liberty

was a great camping ground for these tramps.

Q. Were there more than the usual number of those tramps?

A. A great many more than usual. At that time I did not connect the

fact of the unusual number of tramps with the riots.

Q. What direction did they go?

A. Heading towards the city invariably.

* * * * *

J. L. Bigham, _sworn_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Where do you reside?

A. I now reside in Allegheny.

Q. Are you a member of the National Guard?

A. Yes, sir; I am captain of the Nineteenth regiment, commanding

company G, of that regiment.

Q. Were you with your command on the 21st of July?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. State what orders you heard given by General Brown, at the transfer

station, in reference to the regiments disbanding?

A. General Brown came in, I suppose, about eleven o'clock. There was

some consultation between him and the colonels--Colonel Howard and

Colonel Gray. There was some move talked about. I came down and asked

Colonel Howard what was to be done, and he said he didn't know, and in

a few moments General Brown came up, and directed him to have his arms

and equipments concealed in the building, where the mob would not get

them when they came in, and dismiss his men there in the sheds, and

directed them to find their way home the best way they could, each man

for himself.

Q. That was done, was it?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was done by you and by the balance of the regiment as to

re-assembling?

A. I went home that night. The next morning when I got up--I had

breakfast about eight o'clock--everything was on fire then. I got my

lieutenant to come out and hunt up some of the men, and sent for my

sergeant to have the armory open, and went over to the Union depot to

see what was to be done. I saw General Brown there, and asked him if he

would allow the regiment to be re-assembled and let us go out to

protect the fire department. I got information that the mob had stopped

the fire department from work. He says: No, it will exasperate the mob.

I saw General Latta, and made the same request of him; he first said

our regiment had not behaved well the day before, and there was no use

in re-assembling us, and finally he said he would not take the

responsibility--refused to allow us to re-assemble and go out. I went

from there down to see the adjutant, and told him what occurred, and I

understand that he went up by some direction of the colonel, and asked

for orders to the same effect. That evening Mayor Philips organized the

citizens, and made arrangements to go down and protect one of the lower

bridges there. Part of my men were in that, and partly citizens. There

were twenty of my muskets used there. I was down at the bridge when

Colonel Howard came there, about one o'clock in the morning, and

ordered me to re-assemble and report for duty at nine o'clock. I left

there, and started men out to order the other men to report, and

reported shortly after nine o'clock with a portion of my men, and got

the other men gathered by eleven, and we were on duty from that time,

continuously, until we were dismissed.

Q. Had the regiment re-assembled as a regiment?

A. They re-assembled as a regiment on Monday morning, and were used in

suppressing several disturbances that occurred on Monday.

Q. How many men were together on Monday?

A. I suppose about a hundred men. When the regiment came together,

Captain McFarland was not with us. He had been assembled earlier than

the rest of the regiment, and was sent up to Second avenue park here,

where there was some disturbance, and was kept moving about. I, myself,

had only about sixteen men. I and a part of Captain Batchelor's company

and a part of Captain Archibald's were taken down to Limerick, where

there had been an attack made on some cars. We went down there and came

back, and when we came back, the regiment was re-assembled as a

regiment. The balance of Captain Bachelor's company and Captain

Gordon's company. He had been operating by scattered detachments until

near two o'clock.

Q. You remained here until the arrival of the Governor with troops from

the east?

A. We remained until I think the night of the 21st of July, when we

left for Scranton.

Q. How many men did you have when you left for Scranton?

A. I do not how many, exactly, sir. I think thirty-six men with me, and

I think our companies averaged about that--seven companies on duty.

Q. Something over two hundred, then?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What does the regiment number when all the men are present?

A. We had only six companies, of about thirty-five or thirty-six men.

There should be forty men to each company. There were one or two

companies that ran about fifty men, but usually the companies did not

run over forty. We considered turning out thirty-six men as a pretty

full turnout.

Q. Were the men obedient--did they perform their duty?

A. I had no trouble. None of my men refusing to obey orders. Two or

three of them deserted. I had two of them in jail for it afterwards.

There was no disobedience of orders.

* * * * *

Colonel Robert Monroe, _sworn_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. State where you live, if you please?

A. In Allegheny City.

Q. What is your business?

A. Boiler manufacturer.

Q. I do not know what point you are called to testify to, but you may

go on and state?

A. I could not say because I saw very little of the riot. I was kept

down at the Point. My location is at the Point.

Q. I presume that it is perhaps best to state to us what was done

towards protecting the Duquesne depot?

A. I was at the Duquesne depot on Saturday evening. When I first went

there, probably, it was four o'clock. Persons that I was acquainted

with there, stated there was going to be trouble. People were moving

their goods from the houses around the depot. I asked them what the

trouble would be, and they said they had been notified to move all

their personal effects, as the mob would be down in a short time--to

turn out, stating the hour.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Did they say who notified them?

A. Persons that came down from the upper depot stated they were to burn

it at a certain hour, I think five o'clock was the hour. My place of

business was located just below it, and I kept at the lower part of the

depot. Between five and six o'clock, there were seven or eight persons

congregated at the lower part of the depot, trying to break open the

depot. They talked as though they were going to set fire to the depot,

and also burn up some cars that were across on Water street siding that

was there. They broke open a car door and set fire to one of the cars.

There were probably five or six of us standing there at the time.

Several remonstrated with them for trying to set fire to the

cars--objections were made. They had that on fire and it was kicked

out. They got a keg of beer from some store or other, and about six or

eight of them drank that keg of beer. They tried to start a fire in a

second car, and Mr. Reeves, one of the party, told him he would put a

ball through the man that put a match to that car. He asked me for a

pistol at the time. He said he had none, but he made that remark to

frighten them--the men were intoxicated. A number of us agreed to stick

together in case any attack was made, that we could assist each other

in resisting these drunken men that were trying to burn the depot and

the cars. One young man hammered a good deal at the depot door, trying

to get the door started to get in, but did not succeed. The crowd

continued there probably an hour--from three quarters of an hour to an

hour. Some gentlemen. Doctor Dixon among the rest, came down from the

upper end of the depot, hearing that we were there, and, as I

understand, they arrested the parties that were drinking and

threatening the depot with destruction.

Q. These men intoxicated?

A. Every one of them.

Q. Any other facts?

A. I do not know of anything. I kept down at the Point all the time.

Q. How large was the crowd there; about how many?

A. They gathered towards six o'clock--a pretty large crowd--and at the

time I allude to when they were trying to burn the cars in the depot,

or wanted to burn the depot--the drunken men--about six or eight. They

talked very loud. There were but three of us at first, when we were at

the lower part of the depot, and stayed there until we got more force.

* * * * *

John Slagle, _sworn_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. State to the committee where you reside?

A. Allegheny City.

Q. And your business?

A. Business is iron commission merchant, in Pittsburgh.

Q. You may state to the committee any facts--any information--you are

in possession of, in regard to the riot, and the means used to suppress

it, that have not been already fully gone over?

A. You have got most of the facts that I am conversant with, I expect,

Mr. Chairman. During the week preceding the Sunday of the riots, I had

learned, through the papers and by hearsay, that the Pennsylvania

Railroad Company were going to enforce what was known as the

double-header order. I heard of the attack upon Mr. Watt, and the

question came up as to what was to be done in reference to it, and on

inquiry of some parties, we learned that the railroad company did not

suppose it was going to be a very serious strike, or would be very

difficult for them to run their trains, as they had a large number of

loyal men that would run trains as soon as they issued the order, and

the rest would be taken care of. I paid no special attention to the

matter, until I heard the military were coming that day. Failing to get

their double-header order put into effect by the police, that they had

arranged for military, and the excitement began to get up a little; and

I remember very well how I felt, for the reason that I had a boy just

about the age that boys want to go to such places. He was anxious to go

to the scene of the trouble. I charged him that he must not go, and

that everybody that went to a place of that sort was a rioter, unless

he went there to help put down the strikes, and he had better stay

away. As the consequence, I stayed at home, even after the shooting

took place that evening. I might say, however, about that, that on

Saturday evening I visited the house of my brother, on the hill above,

on Centre avenue, and after leaving his house, along about five or six

o'clock, to go to my own home, I met some of these soldiers coming,

without their guns, on the street. Saw one of them talking to a girl

immediately in front of my brother's house, and overheard him say that

he had abandoned the field; that the Philadelphia troops had fired on

the crowd, and there were a good many people killed and a terrible riot

there, and he had abandoned the field, and was going home. I followed

to my own home, and stayed there until the citizens were called out, on

Sunday at noon, with this exception, that I had watched a little of the

operations of what was going on in Allegheny, at the outer depot, and I

went that Saturday evening down to the transfer station to see what

they were doing there, and found a large number of people--railroad men

and others--and in talking with them, I asked what they were doing.

They said that they were stopping all trains that came into Allegheny,

housing the freights, and seeing that nobody went to Pittsburgh on the

passenger trains that had any arms, or was likely to interfere with the

strike at the Pennsylvania railroad. One of the men I talked to was a

railroad employé, working in the machine shop--the son was a fireman,

and the son and father were standing together. Said I, "You do not seem

to be among the strikers." "No," he said, "we think it is best to keep

off the railroad property in times like this, and we are leaving that

to some other fellows." As to my own part, it began on Sunday noon. I

was appointed on a committee of twenty-five to see what could be done

to stop the burning and riot, and went with the committee to the scene

of the fire about one o'clock, and you have heard from Mr. Scoville and

others all that Mr. Bennett and Mr. Tuigg, the bishop, and Doctor

Donnelly, and Mr. Barr did and said while they were in the railroad

yards. I remained in my buggy outside of the railroad yards, and saw a

good many people that I knew, and a great many that I did not know, and

in answer to a question that was put to me as to what we were doing

there, I said these gentlemen that had gone in the yard came there to

see if they could not devise some means to stop this burning before

there was any further destruction of railroad cars, and especially to

save the Union depot. They asked me, "How do you propose to do it?" I

stood up in the buggy, and addressed the crowd--told them we wanted to

find some of the railroad strikers that could handle the cars, and then

we would take them up with citizens to stop the burning. If we could

find ten railroaders to handle the cars, we would go into the depot

grounds, and stop that fire and save the depot. A fellow on top of the

cars says: "You can't do that. We are going to burn clear to the river,

and the lower depot as well, before we are done." I looked at the

fellow, who was on top of one of the burning cars. They had run it

down, and checked the brakes at the side of a freight train, so that

the fire would communicate. I had a curiosity to hitch my horse, and

climb up and see that fellow. There was three of them. He appeared to

be guiding the others, and had charge of the car, and checked it

alongside of two other box cars, so that the fire might communicate. He

said they were going to burn the whole train--they were going to

continue until they burned everything the railroad owned. I got into my

buggy and drove a square further toward the round-house, and stopped

again and asked the crowd if there was any railroad men who were

strikers in that crowd, and at that point a young man came to me in his

shirt sleeves, with a handkerchief, says he, "Slagle, you don't

remember me. I am a railroader, but not a P.R.R. man." I said, "Can you

find any P.R.R. men? They all abandoned the property last night." Says

I, "Will you take me to where they can be found?" He said he would, and

he jumped in my buggy, and drove me down to Twenty-fourth street. He

wouldn't take me any further. Says he, "You stop here, and I will bring

them to you." I stopped and sat in my buggy a little while, and, after

a while, he came back, and he said he could only find two, but we will

go to Twenty-sixth street, and I can find you two or three. I got into

the buggy, and drove to Twenty-sixth street, I stopped again at the

corner of Twenty-sixth, and he went up toward the railroad, and came

back with one man. This man said, "What do you want?" Says I, "We want

from ten to twenty railroaders to go to stop this firing before it

reaches the depot." Said I, "I don't know you." Says he, "You have got

no advantage of me, for I don't know you, and we will go on one

condition, that is, I think we can get the men to go on one condition,

and that is, that we are protected against arrest for what we have done

in the way of striking, for," says he, "we have destroyed no property,

and we abandoned it as soon as the mob begun to burn, and we fear we

will be arrested, and if you will guarantee us against the arrest, we

will arrest the men." I asked him to arrest the men, and I would see

about the other. So I took my buggy and drove back, and met some of the

other committee coming up--Tuigg, Scoville, Park, and McCune, and

others--and we arranged a meeting at Twenty-sixth street, and on the

curb-stone we talked it over, and told them we could not guarantee them

against arrest, but, if they would come down and help us to put out the

fire, and they were arrested, we would go their bail. Three men stepped

out, and said they were strikers, and they would go. They started then

to find more, and we met again at Twenty-fourth street, I think it was,

and had another meeting. At that meeting they arranged to go down to

the city hall, and they began to back out a little. At that point I

left them, and they arranged with Park and McCune to meet at the city

hall, at half past three o'clock, and said they would go with the

citizens, and stop the burning. From that point, I had left my young

friend, and took the buggy and started, when a fireman says to me, "You

are going down town?" Says I, "I guess you are the man I am hunting. We

want some one to put out this fire." Says I, "Who are you?" Says he, "I

am the chief. I would like to borrow your buggy a little bit. I have

got a message to bring men to the elevator." I whipped my horse up a

little until we found his own horse, and then he jumped from the buggy.

I told him we wanted to get a hose company to go in there, and I

thought we could water the fellows off the cars. Says he, "We will get

you one, and we will try it." When I got down, he had got a hose

company, and started in. They had not thrown long, I think, till

somebody cut the hose, and they were backed out, or pushed out of the

crowd, and were not allowed to throw water for some cause. This took

two hours or more of time, and we came back to a point a short distance

above the Union depot, and, while we were conferring with these firemen

and some others, a fire was started down below in the back shed. Then I

left, and attended this meeting at the city hall. At the city hall you

have heard was done there. From there I went to the Duquesne depot, and

met this man that Colonel Monroe and Doctor Dixon told you about, and I

saw what they were doing. In the meantime, the elevator was burned. I

went over to Allegheny, and took some little steps to protect the

railroad property at the outer depot and the dispatcher's office. The

only point I would like to say anything about after that was this: From

that time until the end of the strike, and the trains were running, I

was busy every day and every night going back and forth between the

railroad employés and officials, and the mayor, and committee of

safety. There is one point I have heard much said about, and it is

this: I had been in the immediate vicinity of the dispatcher's office

in Allegheny, back and forth to see what was going on. I happened to be

there about the time that Ross vacated his place, and Ammon took it,

and watched a little of the operations by which the trains were run

under Ammon's administration, and I saw, with my own eyes, what the

trainmen appear very unwilling to testify to, and that was whenever an

engine came into that yard it was immediately assailed by from three to

twenty men, and the men that were on it were told, called generally by

their first name, "You get off, and let that engine be just where she

is; this thing has got to be fought out now." Whilst they did not use

personal violence in taking a man off a train, I saw a passenger train

stand there one hour after it had come away from the Union depot before

they could get a crew, for the reason that as fast as they got one

fireman on they would intimidate him by threats of violence. It would

not be safe for him if he got out of town with the mob and crowd

somewhere else, and he had better stay where he was. I have seen three

sets of men taken out in an hour before they got enough men to take a

passenger train out. I was sent for after the strikers begun to

disagree. A man had been displaced from his position there by his

fellow strikers, and Ross had been re-instated. It was rumored that man

was going to be arrested, that they had a warrant out for him. I was

sent for to go to the _Chronicle_ office one day, to know if I would go

with Bob Ammon, and see Layng, McCullough, and Thaw, of the railroad. I

said I did not want to do so. I didn't want to have anything to do with

Ammon; thought he was a bad man; didn't care about it. Ammon had a

proposition to make by which he could break the blockade. As a merchant

interested in shipping, I agreed to go with Ammon, and I met him at the

_Chronicle_ office, went to the railroad office, and stayed there in

the building while he was making his proposition to Layng and

McCullough and others to break the blockade. I did not hear what his

proposition was, for while he was talking to them I was with Solicitor

Scott, talking with him. After he came down to Layng's office again

they had a warrant for him, but they concluded they would not arrest

him then. Then afterwards, it was proposed that Ammon said he could

break that blockade--would I go to Allegheny with him, and see if we

could. I didn't want to go to Allegheny with Ammon. I thought they were

going to kill him over there; finally I consented to go to Allegheny,

and did so. This was early in the week after the Sunday. I went over

there with him, down Penn street, and went in the street cars, and on

the way he introduced me to a railroad passenger conductor, and

appeared to be on good terms with him. We went down to the dispatcher's

office, and walked along the track, and now says he, "You will see if

they are going to kill me or not." We walked together and joined the

crowd--one hundred and fifty or two hundred railroaders. I was

introduced to one whose name was Cole, from Chicago. I asked Cole what

he was doing there, and he had been advised that there was going to be

a strike, and he had come there, because he was one of the officers of

the union, at Chicago, and he was there in the discharge of his

business. I asked where those other men were from. I would not know him

again if I would see him. I said, I don't see many of our Allegheny

boys, where are they? He said, You can see them over at the hall

directly, we are going to have a meeting. Nobody molested Ammon at all.

We went to the dispatcher's office, and he looked in and spoke to

people that were there, and stayed with me there, for I was going to

see what he was going to propose. We then went to a meeting of

railroaders in the hall, and at that meeting this citizens' committee

and the mayor was present, and as I had not been appointed for that

office, I took my place in the back part of the hall. There was about

three hundred or four hundred railroaders there, so they said. The hall

was jammed full--there was not room for more. They organized by having

a chairman and secretary. McCune and Captain Gray, and Mr. Morehead,

Mayor Phillips, and somebody else was the committee. They began to call

for Slagle, knowing me, being an Allegheny man, and living near there,

and knew a good many of their faces. I told them I hadn't anything to

say at that meeting; I had come with one of the railroaders, and Mr.

McCune was foreman of that committee, and then after awhile they talked

the matter over, back and forth, those citizens and railroaders went

over their grievances. Here was Ammon's proposition: "Now, I am going

to make my proposition; I want you to wait." He got up and addressed

the chairman, and they began to hoot at him--howl, you have no right

here, you are a scamp, and abused him as though he was a man they did

not want to associate with, and the meeting got very boisterous, and

the chairman took his position and tapped on the table, and, says he,

"Ammon has a right to speak here." Ammon said, "I propose we break this

blockade by organizing two or three crews, and I am authorized to say

that the engines will be furnished, if we can get the crews to run. I

propose that we organize two or three crews, and take the first freight

train that is on the track below the city, and run it through to

Chicago." I never heard such yelling: throw him out the window, kill

him--all sorts of threats were made--but they quieted down, and the

result of that meeting was an interview between nine railroaders

appointed by that meeting, at the office of the mayor, at which I was

invited to be present, and we sat three hours.

Q. At the mayor's office? What mayor?

A. Mayor Phillips. I did not participate in that discussion only to be

a witness at the interview between those nine men and the committee,

which was all in reference to their illegal possession of property that

did not belong them, and they ought to abandon their possession, and

give the property back to the railroad company in the condition they

left it the first day of the strike. It was understood that the

railroad officials had abandoned the property to the strikers,

insisting that it had been taken away from them illegally, and they

wanted to get possession of their property in a legal way. I believe,

Mr. Chairman, except the little part I took with this safety committee

in raising money and men to do whatever might be needed, that that is

all I know about the strike.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Did these men state what their grievances were?

A. It was very clear. They said they had no double-header order to be

rescinded, but they were bound to get back this reduction of ten per

cent. and to break up this classification of engineers, and they said a

great deal on that subject in this boisterous meeting. Some of the

speeches were very intemperate and very boisterous--bread or blood--and

all that sort of thing, but they were hot-headed fellows. Then other

men thought they had made a mistake. They all admitted they had made a

mistake in striking and holding possession of the property. They

admitted that when we argued it quietly. The mayor argued it with them,

and they admitted to him that they had made a mistake in striking, and

in abandoning their jobs to the road, and they said they were so

organized that the road could not run a train out without the consent

of the strikers. Mayor Phillips said to them, "What do you mean by so

organized?" Says he, "We have our Brotherhood of Engineers and

Trainmen's Union, and they extend all over, and if one man or the

association says strike, his train is not to go, and you cannot get any

man to run that train, and the road will have to give us what we

demand." You have been aware of this movement to save the freight on

Saturday, when it was run down the road, and it is not necessary for me

to detail that. I might just say this about that: Having lived in

Allegheny for twenty years, and several years right down there in the

neighborhood of the depot, that I was surprised to find so few of these

men that were on the track that afternoon, and other afternoons, to be

our own Allegheny railroaders, and in answer to a question that I put

to these men, calling to a man named Sourbeer, and one or two others,

he said, You must understand that a great many of these trainsmen that

are young men that are not married, and have no fixed home, and they

are just where their train happens to be. There is a man, for instance,

who has a wife and family, lives near Union. The day he is in Allegheny

he boards at the house, and a large number of those men that are

striking are men that live at the places along the line of the road,

and that accounted for why I didn't know more of them.

* * * * *

James P. Barr, being duly _sworn_, testified as follows:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. State your residence?

A. Fourteenth ward of Pittsburgh.

Q. Editor of the _Pittsburgh Post_?

A. Editor of the _Post_.

Q. Editor and publisher?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Just go on and make a statement and what you know of the causes of

the riot that came within your knowledge by conversation with the

employés of the road, etc., and what came under your observation during

the riot and the days of the progress of the riot?

A. I think I should prefer to answer questions first before I go into

anything like that, because my personal observation does not extend

over a great deal.

Q. When did you first learn of any disturbance among the railroad

employés?

A. On Friday morning. The first was on Thursday at noon. I did not know

anything about it at all till Friday morning's paper. I do not know any

of our people knew there was any trouble beyond the railroad employés,

but it was mentioned in Friday morning's paper, and on Friday morning

we learned that a proclamation was issued, and the military were called

for. I went to the depot about twelve o'clock. About half-past one I

went out to the Eighteenth regiment, at Torrens station. Remained there

three or four hours. There was considerable of a crowd there. I talked

to Mr. Hice--he is on trial here now--he appeared to be a leader of the

party there. Colonel Guthrie talked with him. He told him that he would

get on the trains as they were coming into the city and inform the

conductors and engineers and trainmen that there was a strike, and have

them abandon their trains when they came in. I talked with him a good

while, expostulating with him. He said they did not intend to perform

any overt act, that they felt persuaded they could accomplish their

purposes by abandoning their trains. It required experts and people of

experience to take them out again. They knew such people were not

about. I told them I thought it would soon get out of his hands. The

sheriff and General Pearson had been out there just before. I came on

the ground while he was there--probably came out on the cars. The

military were called into position two or three times. The crowd was

uneasy. There were no trains going eastward. I think there were some

trains passed while I was there on Friday, and a good many people came

out on an engine during the afternoon. I came in on Friday night. I was

about at the office. Around town there was no particular excitement. We

had been subject to these things for years--strikes of employés in the

mills and in the mines--and they generally exhausted themselves without

any violence. We did not anticipate any trouble, but on Saturday the

knowledge came that the Philadelphia troops were coming, and we had our

Sixth division out--the regiments and two batteries--and had a kind of

a circus. Great crowds of people gathered. Crowds of women and children

gathered on the hill side. I was not at the depot nor at Twenty-eighth

street at the time the firing occurred, but was somewhat conversant

with the condition of things.

Q. Did you know on Friday, when you went to Twenty-eighth street, that

the militia had been called out? At that time did you know it?

A. There was a printed proclamation, purporting to be coming from the

Governor. On Friday morning, at nine o'clock, it had been posted on the

streets, calling for the local troops here. General Pearson's orders

were printed in all the papers, as well as the orders of Thursday

night. All the telegraphic dispatches were in the papers on Friday

morning--from the sheriff, from the Secretary of the Commonwealth,

Attorney General, the Adjutant General, and Mr. Farr--some eight or

nine dispatches were all printed on Friday morning, and our division

called out. At that time, the whole public was informed as to the fact

of the military there.

Q. On Saturday night, what knowledge had you of the movements of the

military?

A. I learned, after the firing, that a great deal of excitement

prevailed. I might as well state now, that the fact of the firing upon

the mob did not make any difference, whether it was by orders or

without orders. The crowd supposed it was by orders, because their

vengeance seemed to be concentrated on General Pearson, who was in

command. They thought he gave orders, but practically it made no

difference whether it was by an order or without an order. It makes a

difference, in fact, so far as parties killed were concerned, or the

act itself; but they supposed that an order had been given to fire, and

that they then had a grievance, which they had not before. Before that,

it was confined to railroad employés. They assumed that they had not

got wages enough. There were double-headers put on, but when people

were killed, they said there was then a good cause for grievance, and

they rushed to the gunshops--one right opposite my office--took all the

weapons they could find in there, broke open the whole place, carried

off the guns, and paraded the streets. The feeling then was

intense--bitter, and revengeful feelings seemed to pervade all classes

of labor. There had been a sympathy with them all the way through--they

were part of the labor element. I think myself that if the military had

not been there, and had not provoked a collision at that unfortunate

time, that there would not have been a life lost, nor a dollar's worth

of property destroyed. As everybody can tell after the battle is lost

how it might have been won, we find that after we survey the whole

thing over again, it is pretty hard to lay the blame on anybody. The

action of the militia just at that time has been the common action of

the militia all over the world. It requires the strictest and sternest

discipline of the regular soldier, to obey the command after he has

been struck or knocked, to refrain from resistance. The militiaman is

not paid for it; he carries his humanity into the ranks, and when he is

struck he resists. What our militia did here, they did in Baltimore,

they did all over the country, and they would do again under similar

circumstances. The question of their firing without orders, is a thing

you never can provide against with militia.

Q. Sunday morning, what was done by the military or civil authorities,

county or city?

A. Sunday morning, at nine o'clock, when I came to my office I found a

number of gentlemen there, merchants, manufacturers, and business men,

alarmed and dazed by the condition of things. About the first thing

that was done, was to write a resolution--they wrote a resolution to

get the citizens together, and provide a leader. They waited from

Thursday until Sunday, the city, the county, and the State at her back,

and we had not provided any other agency for self-protection or the

preservation of the peace, but these. When we ascertained on Sunday

morning, that twelve hundred soldiers, veterans, under the command of

experienced officers, had not been able to quell this violence, we felt

that no fifty or one hundred men could do it, and we were at a loss to

dam the brook on Saturday night, and the flood was then over, and we

had to wait until the water subsided before we could get foothold or

make a landing. We went to work as fast as we could. I went to the

Union depot until about half-past nine or ten o'clock. I saw quite a

lot there, they appeared to be cool but utterly unable to provide for

the difficulty, the military having gone away, contrary to their

instructions or their orders. While I was in there, General Gallagher,

I think it was, came in. He had been around the city, and they asked

him how many troops it would take to hold the city at that time, and he

said, it would require at least fifteen thousand. I stayed there that

time, and a servant came up and said we were the last people in the

hotel building, and we had better go off. Then we went to the

Monongahela House.

Q. Who is Gallagher?

A. I think he is colonel in one of the neighboring counties.

Q. Belonging to the National Guard of Pennsylvania?

A. Yes, he is a colonel--at least he was in undress.

Q. Was he not a colonel in the Pennsylvania Reserves, during the war?

A. Yes; in Westmoreland, I think. The whole town was out, you know. I

think there has a very great delusion taken possession of the public

mind, in regard to the Sunday's burning. There were not many people on

the tracks at any time during Sunday, because they were crowded with

cars--cars burning slowly, and the work of destruction commenced at

night. The motive was, they wanted to burn these troops out of the

round-houses, and communicating fire from car to car, was rather slow,

and many people imagined, that because there were but few people on the

tracks during the day, therefore a few people could have controlled

them. The reflection seems to be made upon the officers of the city and

county, and the military, that a few policemen, or a few military,

could have driven those people off the tracks, and that would have been

the end of it. But anybody that stood there during that day, and was

among these people, found thousands of people on the streets and on the

side-walks, the side streets, at Liberty street, that prevented any

water being thrown on the cars, and prevented any interference. It was

not necessary for many people to be there to fire the cars. They were

strangers. I suppose the railroad men who had the first grievances, did

not go there, because they might have been recognized, but they all

stood on the streets, and not a drop of water dared to be thrown on

these tracks. It is the sheerest nonsense to talk about ten men, or

twenty-five men, or two thousand men, to have stopped this. They had

broken open barrels of whisky, and they knew the military were gone,

and they were perfectly satisfied there was no police force to stop the

people, and unarmed citizens called by the sheriff to put down the mob,

was simply ridiculous. The sheriff did what any sheriff would do--he

called a posse, a lot of clerks, or--lawyers, to put down a mob. The

mob understood as well as anybody else, that that could not be done, it

was not his fault, and it was not the fault of the mayor that there was

not any police. The State prevented the city of Pittsburgh from

borrowing any money. The bankers in this city offered to furnish the

amount of appropriation that was short for police, but they could not

get the money back again, because the city could not borrow any money.

The bankers offered to provide us with our usual number of police, but

the State law stated that we could not borrow any money for that

purpose.

Q. Constitution, ain't it?

A. Yes; it is in the Constitution, too. The State stepped in, and would

not let us do it. Eighty-five men to cover twenty-five miles square.

The patrolmen were up all Thursday night, and on Friday we hadn't any

police. We held a meeting at half past twelve, and in the meantime a

committee five was appointed, of which I was one, who went into the

crowd, and asked them to stop. There was one man, he was in a blouse,

he seemed to be dressed as a railroader--he attached a burning car to a

locomotive, and jumped the track four or five squares east of the

depot. When our committee came in, and when Bishop Tuigg was speaking,

he rang his bell, and started off with his steam whistling, not

allowing people to hear what was said, and there were words lost on the

crowd that was in front. They were not railroad men. If it hadn't been

for the fireman the city would have been in ashes. If it hadn't been

for the citizens preserving the peace, there is no telling what would

have happened. The matter was of such dimensions, and extended over so

many cities, and miles of railway, that if this whole city had have

burned down, and if every man, woman, and child had been arrested, that

was not the end of the thing. It was only a small element--a portion of

it. I think it extended over nine cities, and twenty thousand miles of

railway. It had proclamations from six or seven Governors, and

proclamations from the President of the United States. It was a matter

not of contagion, but of organization. I have here the proclamation of

the Governor, and meeting of trainmen.

Q. What facts have you to say that it was a matter or organization?

A. Not being a member of any of their organizations, although I am of

some other societies, I only get it by publications which I have in my

bound files, and can furnish you the meetings of trainmen, and the fact

that on the 16th of July, on Monday, that these same railroad men, on

account of wages in West Virginia, Martinsburg, resisted the authority.

They called on the Governor, and the Governor appealed to the President

of the United States. That on Wednesday, the 18th, the proclamation of

the President of the United States was issued, which was twenty-four

hours in advance of the first interruption here, and that it extended

over nine of the most populous States in the Union. It is a matter of

current public positive history, which of itself would be sufficient to

show that all the railroad employés were in consultation, and had, of

course, an organization. I suppose that railroads had to reduce wages

in consequence of reduced receipts, and that these people, with their

oath bound organization, had agreed that the only way they could cure

that, would be by stopping work. I think that was their only object.

Q. Have you any facts, aside from the actual existence of the strike,

to show that they had secret organizations and a pre-arranged plan to

strike throughout the nine States?

A. Not being a member of any secret organization myself, I was only

governed, as a public journalist, by the facts that came to me.

Q. You arrive at that conclusion, then, from the existence of the

strikes themselves, and their spreading over so large a territory?

A. Yes; and at the same time, it could not be simply contagion from one

line to the other. There was not time enough to communicate from man to

man along all the line of railroads, and that they having possession of

the telegraphic wires at the same time, they had all the works of the

entire railroad itself, and it was communicated to the whole of them,

and they had their resolutions and perfected their organization.

Q. Do you know how many railroads in this country reduced their wages

ten per cent. on the 1st of June?

A. I do not, except from the current reports at the time that the four

great trunk lines did--branches of the roads east agreed with it. About

forty thousand miles of railroad in the United States agreed with it.

About all, although the strike was not developed all over. I think some

of the New York roads, perhaps, arranged it with their employés, but

still there was trouble. The main trouble here, was the reduction of

wages. I don't know that it would be of benefit to this committee, but

I would be perfectly willing to give my bound files which give the

current history of that during the two weeks. It might be useful to

look over to show the existence of this thing. There are many things

that are official--the Governor's proclamation is official.

Q. You have no copies of the papers that you could furnish us to

retain?

A. I will furnish them to you or send them to you at Harrisburg by

express. You can keep them as long as you want. I can get them very

well. I have extracts taken out of them, all of which I would be very

glad to furnish. There is one thing I might state----

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Have you got your files bound for the month of July?

A. The daily and weekly are bound together. I have them bound, and I

will furnish them gladly to you.

Q. Could you not furnish us with a bound copy, with references to the

pages?

A. You can have from July 28, to August 24, that is two weeks. We felt

here the crisis approaching, and the importance of this whole matter,

and I telegraphed to Mr. Scott, president of the Pennsylvania railroad,

these words:

PITTSBURGH, _Saturday noon, 1877_.

To T. A. SCOTT, _Philadelphia_:

Don't you think you could best serve your company, rescue imperiled

interests, and perhaps save valuable lives by your presence here,

and make in person some proposition to convince our people your

company has rights and grievances. The current sets against you

with every shade of labor, and it is important that you should be

on hand to decide whatever may be presented to you. I can assure

you the situation is critical.

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