Q. Riddle--was this the man that requested you----

A. That was not the man. That man I could never find afterwards. He was

a tall man, a thin spare-faced man, a very active man, he seemed to

have some influence over them. One of the strikers gave me that,

[indicating paper.] I understood it was from a principal one of them,

at the time.

By Mr. Engelbert:

Q. How long did it take you to raise that force of yours?

A. It took me all day. 1 never saw such apathy or cowardice among the

citizens.

Q. They did not appear to be anxious?

A. Men that should have done their duty, as citizens, were promenading

Fifth avenue, and it was very difficult to get citizens. I must say to

the credit of the bar, that they did their duty.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Will you give us the names of some of the lawyers that were members

of that company?

A. Colonel Haymaker was one of them, Mr. Harper was another--there was

quite a number, Dr. Sutton was one, he was second in command. I have

the names of most of them.

Q. I believe you find lawyers and doctors among the best citizens, as a

general thing?

A. We do our duty, if we can.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Could you have got fifty or sixty good men, with rifles and

ammunition, at the time that you and Bishop Tuigg went up to

remonstrate with the mob?

A. We could not--not at that time. We had been ineffectual all day to

organize a company, and there was no arms to be had yet; there was

troops at the old city hall, but there seemed to be nobody in command

to do anything, to take the responsibility, there seemed to be really

no person at the head of anything.

By Mr. Means:

Q. This whole machine appeared to have no head?

A. Yes; it appeared, as I said before, it appeared that the mayor was

indifferent. He said that it was the railroad company that was running

this thing, and he would let them run it.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. You say there was troops at the city hall. How many, and who were

they--what organization?

A. There was part of a company of the Nineteenth regiment--a company

there of the Nineteenth regiment. I forget who had charge of them. I

know the gentleman very well, but I cannot think of his name. He went

out afterwards in command of one of the regiments to the east from

here. A tall, nice-looking young man. He had charge of the regiment.

Howard, I think it was--Hartley Howard, I think, was the gentleman.

By Mr. Means:

Q. Had the mayor intimated to you that the railroad officials had taken

this matter into their own hands?

A. They had interfered with him in executing an order. They had

interfered in arresting some man. He had not acted as promptly as they

thought. It appears that Mr. Hampton and Dalzell--I think he used the

names jointly--had taken these writs from him and given them into the

hands of the sheriff.

By Mr. Means:

Q. And that he would not interfere?

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. Engelbert:

Q. You said a while ago that the sheriff had run away. How did you know

he had run away?

A. He was not to be found anywhere. I had not seen him that day. I

heard he had left. They had threatened to burn his house, and he had

left the city. As the sheriff is a man subject to heart disease, I

presume it was his duty not to risk his life amongst them. I heard

there was a strong feeling against him, and he had left. I had not seen

the sheriff after that day.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. What day was this you were speaking of?

A. That was on Sunday.

Q. Did you see him there on Saturday with the troops?

A. No, sir; I did see the sheriff on Saturday.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. You stated in your speech to the people that you had been informed

by those who led the strike that they would manage the matter

prudently, so as to have no trouble. Who were those parties that

informed you they were leading the strike? Can you give us the names?

A. I can ascertain the names of some of them, but I don't know the

names now. I don't remember them. There was one little man very active.

His brother keeps a drug store at the corner of Twenty-eighth and Penn

streets. He seemed to be very active amongst them.

Q. Do you know his name?

A. No, sir; I can find out his name. I can find out the names of

several of them. I think I have them written down. This gent--I thought

his name was attached to that paper--was a city man, very active. He

seemed to be the leading spirit amongst them, but I found he was the

man that brought that document there.

Q. He is not the one that signed it?

A. No, sir.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. How do you account for the apathy or cowardice that existed in the

city about going out to take steps to stop this?

A. The only way I can account for it is that there was a feeling

amongst the people that these men had been treated very unjustly by the

railroad company; that it had reduced their wages down to a starvation

point, and that they had been treated unjustly. There has been a

feeling here more or less ever since I have been in Pittsburgh--twelve

years--since the war, against the railroad company, on account of its

unjust actions against the mercantile interests of Pittsburgh. There

has always been more or less of that kind of feeling against the

company, as I told the Governor in my interview with him on the Sunday

night that he was here. That feeling has existed against Tom Scott and

the railroad company. The overbearing manner of their officials, and

their want of making any compromise whatever, or showing any

disposition whatever to compromise with their employés; that has been

the feeling engendered in this city for years.

Q. How extensive is that disposition?

A. It is amongst almost the whole class of people, intelligent as well

as ignorant, that feeling has existed.

Q. The business men and professional men?

A. The business men--many of the business men--have been bitter enemies

of the road on account of the discrimination in freights that has

existed. That feeling has permeated the whole community--it permeated

the whole community, and I had that same feeling and that same

antagonism to the road myself. As I told the Governor, Tom Scott should

come down from his empyrean and mingle amongst the people, and he

should assert his right of being Governor of the State, and not Tom

Scott.

Q. What reply did the Governor make?

A. The Governor made one of his bland smiles.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. He is a good listener?

A. Yes; that was up in the hotel where he stopped the Sunday night.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. In your negotiations, mingling with the strikers and endeavoring to

adjust matters, did you ascertain the reason or the cause of the

strike?

A. This was the cause that I stated, just what is set forth in this

paper, [indicating paper,] that was the cause, and that was what they

wanted, an adjustment on that basis.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. Did any one sign that paper setting forth their grievances?

A. Only I had a meeting with them. I wrote down what they wanted.

Q. You wrote that down yourself?

A. They would not permit anybody, they had confidence in me or they

wouldn't have entrusted me. They saw I was disposed to do what was

right. I acted prudently with them.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Were any of the strikers, that is the railroad employés, who first

struck, engaged in this arson, burning, and pillaging?

A. The persons whom I saw engaged in this arson business, and the crowd

that I addressed on Sunday were rioters. They appeared to me to be all

strangers. They were not really citizens of Pittsburgh. They appeared

to me to be all strangers. There was no strikers. I saw none of the

strikers that I knew, whose countenances I would remember amongst the

rioters. They appeared to keep aloof. They appeared to keep away, and

when we wanted to find them or have any conversation with them, we had

our meeting down at their place. The bishop and the delegation of

citizens from this committee of public safety, went down to meet them

away down at their head-quarters, at Twenty-eighth street, where we had

a conference with them. They were perfectly powerless, yet disposed to

do all they could to save the property and suppress the riot.

Q. Who were the men engaged in this arson and burning?

A. That is more than I can tell you who they were. They appeared to be

a class of men I had never seen before.

Q. Were they mill men?

A. Many of them looked like laboring men. Most of them were young men,

reckless young fellows, half drunk, and of a class you would call

roughs, which you will find always around cities and places where there

is anything going on, you don't know who they are--they appeared to be

all young men.

Q. From the works about the city?

A. They might have been; I don't know. I couldn't recognize them.

By Senator Yutzy:

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