Q. What was referred to by the word "point?"

A. I suppose it is the old Duquesne depot on the point.

Q. At the junction of the Allegheny and Monongahela?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. He referred to the Liberty street track?

A. Referred to the Liberty street track to be torn up to satisfy the

citizens.

Q. Who was the man?

A. I can't name him. He was a stranger to me.

Q. Do you know where he belonged?

A. I do not know, but judged from his conversation that he belonged to

the city of Pittsburgh, from the manner in which he used that

expression.

Q. What else did you hear said there?

A. People were commenting about it in general terms. I came down Sunday

night, after the fire had got cooled down somewhat. I went to the Saint

James hotel, opposite the Union depot, to take a look. I went out of

curiosity, and got in over the hot coals, so as to have it said that I

ate a meal in the Saint James while it was hot. I walked all around the

burned district; that is, the elevator, Union depot, and Pan Handle

yard, watched the firemen, went down to where the firemen were playing

on the ruins, and came down then through what is known as the metal

yard, and there I heard a conversation amongst the men. I couldn't tell

you the exact number, but I should think there was a hundred and fifty

congregated around there, some of them dead drunk, and some half drunk,

and some of them drunk enough to go any place. I heard them say: "We

must go to this place. There is no police, and they won't interfere

with us any way."

Q. What place did he refer to?

A. I don't know what place they referred to. I thought it was a rather

dangerous place for me, being without any arms, any more than natural

fists, and I didn't stay any longer.

Q. Did you hear any conversation, while at the city hall, from the

mayor's clerks in reference to the riot and burning?

A. No; I don't know as I did. There was a gentleman came in there, and

inquired for the mayor. Says he: "There is a big lot of miners coming

down here," and, says he, "we don't know what to do." He inquired where

he was, and wanted something done to stop them. No person seemed to

know what to do.

Q. How long did you remain at the city hall?

A. I remained there until Monday evening--at the city hall?

Q. Yes?

A. Probably I was there an hour.

Q. Was the mayor away all the time that you were there?

A. I didn't hear of the mayor coming in while I was there at all. He

might have went to his office while I was in there.

By Mr. Engelbert:

Q. What time were you at the city hall?

A. I should judge about seven o'clock in the morning--Monday morning.

Q. When you went into the tobacco store, and told this man he had

better be moving, what reply did he make?

A. Says he: "I think not. They won't let it come down this far will

they?"

By Mr. Dewees:

Q. How did you happen to be here?

A. I came up on purpose to see it. Heard of it at home, and came up.

Q. On purpose to see the riot?

A. On purpose to see what was going on, like hundreds of others.

By Mr. Means:

Q. This man that was in the city hall that said they would not be

satisfied until the track was torn up down to the point--was he dressed

in citizen's clothes?

A. Yes; I judged by his dress and conversation that he was a resident

of the place.

Q. Did the other men make any reply when he made that remark?

A. No; no reply was made.

Q. You would take him then to be a citizen of Pittsburgh?

A. Yes.

Q. How many men from Beaver county came up?

A. Indeed, I could hardly state--I should judge a hundred or one

hundred and fifty.

Q. At the same time?

A. Yes; and some of them were railroad men down there, and were

interested here.

Q. Were they with you at the time you had the conversation with that

man?

A. No, sir; at that time I was by myself.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. You spoke about some armed men you saw going up the hill--did you

ascertain who they were?

A. No, sir; I did not. I was told they were some Philadelphia men that

had been left in there.

Q. Left in the depot?

A. Left in the depot as a guard.

Q. How were they uniformed?

A. Some had caps on, some pants--I would judge they belonged to the

soldiers, on account of the weapons they had in their hands--they were

breech-loaders.

Q. Did they make any effort to prevent any destruction of property?

A. In what way.

Q. You spoke about marching along the hill, or up the hill?

A. When I spoke about them they were escaping from the Union depot. At

that time the flames were coming in from the shed. They were going over

the hill towards the reservoir.

Q. This man you had the conversation with down at the municipal hall,

at the office of the chief of police, did he appear to be connected

with the office there in any way?

A. Well, indeed I can't say. He was in this office, and I struck up a

conversation with him. I don't know how we got to talking about it. I

spoke to Mr. Carrigan, the only one I knew. He went out, and there was

no other person I had conversation with but him, and he seemed to be at

home.

Q. Do you know where Mr. Carrigan lives?

A. No, sir.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. What is Carrigan's name?

A. I can't tell you that.

Q. Does he live here in Pittsburgh?

A. I believe he does.

Q. Can you give his place of business or residence?

A. No, sir; I can't do that. I met him on special duty at one time--he

appeared to be connected with the detective force at one time here.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Can you name any gentlemen that came up from Beaver with you?

A. Mr. Robinson.

Q. What is his first name?

A. Hugh Robinson.

Q. Any other?

A. Mr. Edgar.

Q. Mr. Edgar--what is his first name?

A. John P.

Q. Who else?

A. Mr. Jagger.

Q. What is his first name?

A. Fred.

Q. All these men were with you on the ground?

A. They were scattered through the crowd. I was separated from them

pretty much all the time. Only just occasionally we would meet.

Q. Are they from the town of Beaver?

A. New Brighton.

Q. Any others?

A. There was Major Henry, from Beaver, and Mr. Macomber, of Beaver

Falls file works.

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Doctor Edward Donnelly, being duly _sworn_, testified as follows:

Examined of Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Where do you reside?

A. Reside at 62 Stevenson street. My office is 133 Grand street.

Q. You are a practicing physician in city?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Just go on and make a brief statement of what you saw in relation to

the riots?

A. My first knowledge of the riots was on Saturday, the 21st of July,

about an hour or so previous to the arrival of the troops from the

east. I was induced to go to Twenty-eighth street, hearing that there

was a large concourse of people assemble there, and they were there for

the purpose of preventing any trains leaving the city--any freight

trains, and having the dread of riots before my eyes--I had seen other

riots in Philadelphia, in 1844--I apprehended that there might be some

little difficulty, and as I have some influence with the Irish portion

of the people of the city, I thought it my duty to go there, and try to

induce them to leave the place, and not enter into any measures that

would tend to criminate themselves or break the laws of the country.

That was the reason I went there. When I arrived at the ground--I drove

out in my buggy--when I arrived there, I found about fifteen hundred

people. I presume, assembled--fifteen hundred to two thousand, and

several companies of soldiers--the Fourteenth regiment, Greys, I

believe, some of them, and the Nineteenth. I am not sure that there was

any Greys there--I think it was the Fourteenth and the Nineteenth

regiments. I saw Colonel Grey's command on the side of the hill, and I

inquired of him who had charge of the troops here, as they were in

rather a disorderly condition, I consider, in a military point of view.

They were mingling freely with the crowd in groups here and there, and

seemed to have no order or discipline amongst them. They told me

General Brown had command; and I then went down amongst the crowd on

the railroad track, where Twenty-eighth street intersects the road, and

I met General Brown, and inquired of him if he was in command of the

troops. He said he was. Said I, "you are not in military uniform--you

have no uniform on." He was dressed as a citizen. I thought it was a

very remarkable thing. He then asked me if I would make a speech to the

crowd, so as to disperse them, or induce them to disperse, and leave

the track free for the cars to go out--engines and so on. I told him

that I did not think it was my place, but if it would be of any benefit

I would certainly do so; and he said "yes," he thought it would be

necessary, because there was troops coming from Philadelphia and

Easton; that the railroad company had sent for troops to disperse any

mob that would attempt to interfere with the running of trains; and,

perhaps, it would be best, in order to prevent any disturbance, for me

to address the crowd to that effect. I hesitated somewhat, and inquired

then before I consented. Said I, "who is the leader of the strikers?"

Said he "there he is," pointing to a tall man that was very busy in the

crowd, making motions with his fingers to his companions--that is,

trainmen, firemen, and engineers. Said I "call him here and see what he

says about my addressing this crowd." This man was called, and he also

thought it advisable for me to do so--they did not want any

disturbance, and they would like the crowd to disperse--they could

manage this business themselves without any outsiders; and at this

solicitation of Brown, and this chief man amongst the strikers, I got

up on the steps of a small oil house, that is fronting the

round-house--standing there yet--and I addressed the crowd present, and

what I said on that day to them was published in the afternoon

paper--in the _Leader_--I have a copy of it here. I told them that

it was necessary for them to disperse--if you would like to here the

exact words I would read them for you.

Q. Is it lengthy?

A. No, sir; it is very short. It was so to the point at the time that I

thought it best to preserve it, and this is copied from the _Leader_ of

the 21st, the afternoon of the-day of the occurrence, and this address

was delivered about one hour before the arrival of the troops. The

reporter says he addressed--that is. Doctor Donnelly--addressed the

strikers as his fellow-countrymen. I did so because I have been in the

habit of addressing Irishmen in public meetings, and it was more of a

habit than anything else. Instead of saying "fellow-citizens," I said

countrymen; not because they were all Irish, but because it is a habit

I had in using that term, and exhorted them not to resort to violence.

"No striker," he said, "had ever yet succeeded where violence was

resorted to. Violence was invariably met with violence, and ended in

the discomfiture of the strikers. It was opposed and contrary to the

fundamental laws of the land. He entreated them to maintain law and

order. To reflect before taking any rash step, and to remember that

law-breakers must, in the natural course of things, suffer. He urged

them to be prudent upon the arrival of the troops from the east. The

troops from Philadelphia, said he, and the troops from Easton and

elsewhere are not to you like the Duquesne Greys or the Fourteenth

regiment or the Nineteenth regiment. They are not, I might say, your

brothers. You cannot go to them and take their hands and say to them,

'how are you, Jim?' or 'how are you, Tom' or 'how is it with you,

Patrick?' These men will come here strangers to you, and they will come

here regarding you as we regarded the rebels during the rebellion, and

there will be no friendly feeling between you and them. For this

reason, I implore you, for God's sake, to stand back when they arrive.

To stand off and allow your leaders, who hold the throttle of this

movement, to deal with them. For this reason I implore those of you who

have no business here to go home to your families. It is your duty to

do so. It is your duty to them, to your country, and to the laws of

your country. Leave the matter in the hands of your leaders, who know

what is for the best, better than you do, and you will leave it in good

hands. I have been assured of this. I have been informed by the men who

are leading this strike that they will exercise the greatest caution

and forbearance when the soldiers arrive, and I entreat you to stand

back, and let them manage the thing in their own way." That was the

import of it.

Q. Were you near Twenty-eighth street when you made that?

A. I was right amongst them, sir.

Q. At Twenty-eighth street?

A. At Twenty-eighth street and the round-house. The crowd was between

the round-house and myself--some fifteen hundred or two thousand,

including; soldiers and all.

By Mr. Yutzy:

Q. It was on the steps of the watch-box?

A. I was on the steps of a small building where oil is kept. The steps

are high up, and I had a good location and a good view of the

surroundings. They listened very patiently, and as there was a great

number of women and children among them, I deemed it my duty to warn

them.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Before you go on, state to us what effect this address had upon

them?

A. It seemed to have a good effect upon them as far as the women and

children, and a great number of men retired and went away; and there

was a kindly feeling apparent amongst the people and amongst the

soldiers that were there. There was no evidence of violence, nor none

apprehended, except when the troops would arrive from the cast. The

only fear that appeared to exist amongst the bystanders and those I

conversed with, was a conflict between the eastern troops and the

people.

Q. Were the troops--the soldiers of the Fourteenth and Nineteenth

regiments--mixed up with the crowd at that time?

A. Yes; there was neither order nor discipline amongst them.

Q. Did they have their arms with them?

A. They had some arms on the ground. Some had them with them and some

were stacked in different places along the side of the hill and at the

bottom of the hill.

Q. Were they dressed in uniform?

A. Yes; with the exception of General Brown, who was in citizen's

dress, and he was the commander-in-chief. I inquired for General

Pearson. I understood he was with the Philadelphia troops.

Q. Go on, now, Doctor.

A. My address seemed to have considerable influence with the strikers

and trainmen and others; and they had their meeting-place on Penn

street, near Twenty-eighth. I think it was over a segar store; and I

was requested to meet them that afternoon. I did so, and they delegated

me to wait on the officials of the road to make terms, to put an end to

any further disturbances. They requested me to see Mr. Thaw. I think he

is an official of the road, one of the vice presidents, if I am not

mistaken--William Thaw, I think his name is, and Mr. McCullough and Mr.

Layng. I went to Mr. Thaw's house two or three times, but was unable to

find him. I then went to Allegheny, and met Mr. Layng and Colonel

McCullough, and told them what the strikers wanted, and endeavored to

persuade them to meet the strikers or to make some promise that would

put an end to further difficulty and trouble, or the shooting of people

or destruction of property. They were both together, and I conversed

with them, and I gave them the terms the strikers had authorized me to

make. I took it from the strikers and wrote it down in pencil at the

time, and it is here--the terms they wished me to propose to the

officers of the road, to Mr. Thaw and Colonel Scott, if he was in town.

After informing these gentlemen what the strikers demanded, they told

me they could do nothing in the matter whatever--it was above their

power to do anything.

Q. You may read what the strikers demanded.

A. This is what they demanded: "Authorized by strikers to visit Colonel

McCullough and Mr. Layng to effect a compromise on the basis of taking

off double-headers; same wages as prior to June 1, 1877; each man to

receive his position prior to strike."

Q. Retain his position prior to strike--receive or retain?

A. They said receive at that time--"classification of engines done away

with; each engineer to receive first-class wages, same as prior to June

1, 1877; each engine, road or shifting, to have own fireman"--that was

the conditions on which they wished to make a compromise with the

officials of the road, and by all means to endeavor to have them meet

them, so as to make some kind of a compromise. Their great object

seemed to be to have a conference with the officials.

Q. What time did you get that proposition?

A. It was in the afternoon of Saturday.

Q. Before the collision with the troops?

A. It was after the collision. I had not heard of the collision at that

time. I had been hunting Mr. Thaw in the afternoon, and then had gone

to Allegheny, and I had to procure the aid of a gentleman to go with me

to learn where Mr. McCullough and Mr. Layng lived.

Q. Did you get the proposition before the collision from the strikers?

A. The strikers gave me the proposition previous to the collision, I

think.

Q. What time did you present it?

A. I presented it--it must have been, perhaps, four o'clock or five--it

was in the afternoon.

Q. What response did you get--reply?

A. They told me they could do nothing at all in the matter, nor did

they seemed disposed to do anything. They conversed about the matter as

indifferently as if it was a thing on the other side of the

Atlantic--took no interest in it, but referred me to President Scott.

Q. Did you return to Twenty-eighth street that night again--Saturday

night?

A. I did, sir; went there several times. I reported the interview, and

they said they would try to meet the officers--they would meet the

officers at East Liberty, and that they had sent out word to some of

the officers--I think Mr. Pitcairn and some other officers--to meet

them at East Liberty, and they had gone out there. This was late in the

evening. They had gone out to East Liberty, but they could get no

satisfaction out of the officers there; and they had also telegraphed

to Mr. Scott, president of the road, and had received no answer, and

that they had used every means in their power to make some compromise

with the officers of the road, but had failed.

Q. Were you present when the fire occurred and the first car was fired?

A. No, sir; I was not present at any firing. I was pretty late that

evening out at Twenty-eighth street, and there was an immense concourse

of people all along Liberty street for several squares, but, as I had

my horse with me I did not go amongst them at all on the tracks. I

merely reported my interview between myself and Colonel McCullough and

Mr. Layng, and I then went home.

Q. Your effort was particularly confined to adjusting the compromise

and difficulty between the strikers and the railroad?

A. Railroad officials at that time.

Q. Did you have any negotiations with the mayor about additional

policemen?

A. That Saturday I had not. On Saturday I had not, but on the next

morning, Sunday morning, I was very active, indeed, to endeavor to

raise and organize a vigilance committee for the purpose of suppressing

the riot and saving the property of the railroad company, and other

property; dreading that the city would be set on fire and plundered by

mobs.

By Mr. Yutzy:

Q. These railroad officials you called to see in Allegheny--General

McCullough and Thaw and Layng--what railroad company are they connected

with? Pennsylvania Central?

A. They are all connected with the same company. I presume they

represent the Cleveland and Cincinnati--that western part of the

Pennsylvania Central.

Q. Pennsylvania Company--not the Pennsylvania Central?

A. I didn't know that there was any difference. Mr. Thaw is certainly

connected with the Pennsylvania Central. I think he is one of the vice

presidents.

Q. The Pennsylvania Company managed the road west of Pittsburgh?

A. I don't really know what their positions were. I was solicited by

these men to interview them, supposing that they were the proper

authorities in the matter. Mr. Thaw was proper authority in the absence

of Colonel Scott or other officials that could not be found.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. What success did you meet with in trying to organize a force on

Sunday morning?

A. On Sunday morning the citizens met near the old city hall and formed

a kind of organization there, and finally adjourned to the new city

hall, and there we organized a committee of safety, composed of

citizens, to take measures to assist the mayor--employ a force of

policemen, as he was very deficient in a police force at the time, and

had but a few men on duty; and the object was to organize a strong

police force to aid and assist the mayor in suppressing the riot, which

then had become very alarming. We were all day nearly in doing a very

little. The citizens seemed to be panic stricken, and there seemed to

be no head at all in the city amongst the officials or amongst the

people. The mayor seemed to be powerless. The sheriff, I believe, had

ran away, and, in fact, we seemed to have no city government for the

protection of the city or the people.

Q. What did the mayor do in the way of assisting in this organization?

A. The mayor--he didn't do a great deal, he seemed to be running around

at one thing and another, and he seemed to be so confused and incapable

of organizing anything, that he really did do nothing. I understood

there was two companies of troops come down from up the Monongahela in

charge of an old army companion of mine. I suggested that he had better

try to get those two companies, and take them down where the riot was

going on, and do something. We found that these troops had returned

again, and they were not there, and we came back again, and, finding

that the riot was still going on and nothing being done, he authorized

me to collect as many citizens as I possibly could, and go down there

and see if we could suppress the disturbance, and I organized about

sixty men, composed partly of lawyers, a few physicians, and other

gentlemen, who were determined to use every effort to suppress the

disturbance; and we first armed ourselves with axe handles, which a

gentleman on Wood street procured for us out of his store. I considered

that didn't look very military, and somebody suggested that there were

rifles at the Western University, up on Diamond street, and we

concluded to make a raid on the university. We did so, with the

sanction of the mayor, and we got the rifles, and then there was no

ammunition, and we put the bayonets on them, and with a company of

sixty men, and myself as the colonel--I had been commissioned by the

mayor to act as such--we marched down to the scene of the riot and

arson, each gentleman had a white handkerchief tied on his arm to

distinguish them from the rest of the crowd that was there

assembled--it may look very ludicrous just now, but it was a very

serious matter then. We marched down amongst them, and the crowd sort

of stood to one side and let us pass through. I arranged the men on

each side of Liberty street, where I supposed they were going to set

lire to the large stores. At that time the grain elevator had been

destroyed, and the property adjoining the metal yard, adjoining this

large ware-house, was also on fire. There was a fence running from the

middle yard up to one of the stores, I proposed to some of the rioters

present to tear that fence down and save that property, two or three of

them said, well, what do you want, I said we didn't want private

property destroyed, so a gang of them went over and tore the fence

down, and the flames didn't extend any further in that direction. After

staying there some time, and seeing that there was no evidence of

breaking into stores or setting fire to private property, we retired;

that is, we retreated to the city hall, and stacked our arms in the

building, and dispersed for the night. The next morning we were not

organized again, the city seemed pretty quiet, and the crowd had

understood that the citizens were taking an active part in protecting

the city.

Q. Let me ask you a question there. Supposing you had arrived with your

regiment--you say you were a commissioned colonel--suppose you had

arrived on the ground before the fire reached the Union depot, do you

think that you could have kept the mob back and prevented the firing of

the Union depot with that body?

A. I do think that if I had been authorized and given me fifty or sixty

good men, that understood their duty, and were obedient to orders and

had loaded rifles before that depot burned, it could have been saved. I

went there and tried to save that depot, and took Bishop Tuigg with me

to go out there, thinking that there might be a number of our

countrymen there engaged in that, and that he would have some influence

with them, to save the property of the company, and save the building.

I stood on the platform of a car with the bishop, and he first

addressed them, and in looking over the crowd, I found that the crowd

were not Irishmen. As we soon discovered, they began throwing iron ore

and other missiles at the bishop's head, which no good Catholic would

do, unless he was an Orangeman. I also addressed them, and a burly

fellow came up and said, get down from here, Doctor, we are going to

set fire to this, and I considered it most prudent to get down. With

fifty good men, I would have cleared that place in a very few minutes.

By Mr. Means:

Q. Do you know that man that came up to you?

A. I would know him if I ever saw him. I felt very vindictive towards

him at that moment. I did try to save an engine by pulling a fellow off

who would not allow the engineer to try to run it off. I pulled him off

and said let that man take the engine off. He was drunk at the time,

and he said something to me, but anyhow they kept the engine there

until it was burned. If the officials even of the depot--if the

officials of the road, or the employés of the road, had any courage at

all on Monday, they could have saved that building. There was no

trouble about it, because the outside people were perfectly

indifferent, looking on and affording no resistance.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Supposing the officials connected with the road there had made an

effort to have driven them back, what effect would that have had upon

the crowd?

A. The crowd that was there at that time could have been easily driven

away.

Q. Would it have excited them worse?

A. I think not. I think the citizens were all disposed at that time to

aid to enforce law and order. It was the feeling. That was on Sunday,

mind you. On Sunday afternoon at that time I believe every citizen was

disposed to enforce law and order, and that the rioting element would

not have had any chance whatever, and they would not have been

supported.

Q. How many were actually engaged in the arson and rioting at that

time?

A. From my looking at them and looking amongst them, and as they were

assembled together to listen to what we had to say, I don't think there

was fifty men really.

Q. Engaged in the riot?

A. I don't think there was that many, because they were dispersed

amongst the crowd of people, and you could only tell the bad element

amongst them by their appearance, and by their dress, and by their half

drunken condition.

Q. Had you any talk with the mayor during the day, Sunday, about

sending out a posse of policemen there?

A. I had talked with the mayor on several occasions. I urged him to try

to organize a force, and I asked him several times very plainly why he

had not arrested these rioters, I mean the strikers, the head of them,

that were inciting riot, and he said that he had done his duty in that

respect, but that he had been superseded Ivy Mr. Hampton and Dalzell,

and other persons connected with the railroad, in taking it out of his

hands, and placing the authority in the hands of the sheriff, and that

he would let them manage the matter--something to that effect--and that

seemed to be his principal reason for not having acted more

energetically--that the officers of the road had taken the matter out

of his hands.

Q. He was out there during the day Sunday looking over the crowd?

A. I didn't see him out there, I think, unless he was there, and I

didn't see him. I was going to say that these are some of the strikers

who sent the communication [indicating a paper] to the mayor and

myself. This is addressed to the Honorable Mr. McCarthy and Doctor

Donnelly. Metzgar was chief clerk of the mayor at that time, and this

communication was sent. I had been soliciting these strikers to aid us

in suppressing the riot, to enter in with us, and make their appearance

amongst us, to show that they were not in favor of pillaging, burning,

&c. This is addressed to the Honorable M. J. McCarthy: "Have gone to

the Twenty-sixth street, with Cunningham, of the strikers, with McKeon.

Say they will try to go down at once to new city hall to join you, and

will do my best." That is underlined: "Will do my very best. Tell

Donnelly, if they come, see that they get instructions." That is, I was

to go down with the force, at that time, with proper instructions. That

is the name of the gentleman, I can hardly make it out, it is very

peculiar writing, "W. N. Riddle," I should think it was. He was to aid

and assist us, with his strikers, to suppress these disturbances.

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