Q. Were you able to take any trains out on Friday?
A. No; on account of the crowd at Twenty-eighth street making threats
to the men--what they would do.
Q. State the condition of the crowd during the day, whether it was
increasing or not, and whether it was demonstrative and boisterous or
not?
A. Later in the day it appeared to increase.
Q. Did they allow the passenger cars to pass?
A. They allowed them to go. Some of them were stopped, but they let
them pass afterwards.
Q. What means did they take to stop those trains?
A. Some of them would halloo and make threats, and others would get up
and spring on the engines, and the engineers would have to stop to see
what was the matter.
Q. Did they turn any of the switches?
A. Not that I remember of.
By Mr. Larrabee:
Q. They just piled on the trains?
A. Yes; they filled the engines and cars.
Q. Did they attempt any violence on the men running the trains during
the day of Friday by throwing stones or clubs?
A. Not there, they didn't.
Q. Did they anywhere along the road?
A. I don't know whether they did outside of Pittsburgh or not. We
didn't move anything on Friday except live stock. They agreed that we
might move that, but nothing else.
Q. You say the live stock was moved?
A. Yes; on Friday. First in the morning--then they stopped it. Then Mr.
Garrett, the train master, and me went up and saw them, and he talked
to them. There was a big run of stock coming off the Fort Wayne road,
and some of them said they would let him have one engine to haul it. He
said that they ought to know better, that one engine was not
sufficient, and they agreed to let him have two. So we got engines
enough to move the stock to East Liberty.
Q. They said you could have one engine. Who was it that told this to
Mr. Garrett?
A. I don't know who it was.
Q. Did you hear the conversation between the men and Mr. Garrett?
A. I was with him in the crowd. We had to go right into it like a
wedge.
Q. Were they railroad men?
A. Some of them were railroad men.
Q. Men then in the employ of the company, or who had been up to the
morning of Thursday?
A. Yes; they were still in the employ of the company, so far as I know.
Q. They were the spokesmen for the crowd, were they?
A. One of them was the spokesmen. We asked for the spokesman when we
went there.
Q. Who was that man?
A. I don't remember now who he was.
Q. An engineer, conductor, or brakeman?
A. I think he was a brakeman.
Q. What is Mr. Garrett's first name?
A. His name is David Garrett.
By Mr. Means:
Q. At Twenty-eighth street, did the mob of men stop the train going
east?
A. They stopped everything.
Q. Who did that?
A. I don't know whether it was by employés or others.
Q. They prevented the engines from connecting with your stock trains?
A. Yes; sometimes they told the engineers to go on back.
Q. They sent the engines back?
A. Yes; they were sent right back on going out the track, and sent in
again on coming out the track.
By Mr. Lindsey:
Q. Describe the crowd during Friday night?
A. I was not there during that night.
Q. Were you there during Saturday morning?
A. Yes.
Q. Describe things then?
A. Early in the morning there was not such a very large crowd, but
towards evening, just before the soldiers came up----
Q. How large was it in the morning early?
A. I don't suppose there were over two hundred people.
Q. What time was that?
A. About seven o'clock--that is outside of the soldiers. The Fourteenth
and Eighteenth regiments were there then, I believe. In the evening
along about five o'clock, at the time the firing began, in the
neighborhood of the railroad, and in the streets there were from five
to seven thousand people.
Q. Who composed that crowd then--what class of men?
A. They appeared to be all classes.
Q. Railroad employés?
A. Railroad and mill men, and I guess a few of every kind.
Q. When you refer to the crowd of five thousand, do you mean to say
that all of that crowd were riotous or engaged in riotous conduct?
A. I don't mean to say that.
Q. You say that a portion of them were lookers-on?
A. Yes.
Q. How many were actually engaged in the riot at that time?
A. I cannot say. They were scattered around here and there and
everywhere.
Q. Was there any division or separation between the rioters and the
crowd that was looking on?
A. I guess they were scattered through the crowd everywhere around the
railroad.
Q. Down on the railroad were any persons looking on--were they along
the railroad track, or were they back on the hill?
A. They were standing on the hill and on the railroad track, too. Some
of them might be railroad men of other roads, and I never know it.
Q. Were there any women and children mixed up with the crowd?
A. There were some on the street and hill-side.
Q. That crowd had been accumulating all day I suppose?
A. Yes.
Q. How was it in regard to any boisterous or noisy demonstrations?
A. I would say that some of them were pretty boisterous. Some of them
would be about half tight, and were raising a little excitement here
and among themselves.
Q. When did the crowd begin to get demonstrative or boisterous, at what
time in the day?
A. Along about twelve o'clock probably, and about five it got worse.
The work shops and all the mills, as a general thing, shut down about
three o'clock on Saturday. I suppose that helped to increase the crowd.
Q. Were you among the crowd during Saturday night?
A. No.
Q. Were you present at Twenty-eighth street when the firing of the
soldiers took place?
A. I was between Twenty-sixth and Twenty-eighth streets when they began
to shoot--about half way.
Q. You were in sight so that you could see?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you hear any orders given to fire?
A. No; I was not near enough to hear, but I saw one or two missiles
thrown from the hillside and the shooting began after that.
Q. By whom were the missiles thrown?
A. I cannot say that; they came from the thick part of the crowd on the
hillside.
Q. Was there any firing before the missiles were thrown?
A. I don't remember; it was a little after.
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. Did it appear to be pistol shots or musketry?
A. I cannot tell.
Q. Were any shots fired from the hill?
A. I cannot tell whether they came from the hill or from the soldiers.
There were some scattering shots, and then a kind of general volley.
Q. Were those shots pistol shots or musket shots?
A. I cannot tell.
Q. What effect did the firing have upon the crowd?
A. It appeared to drive them back for a while.
Q. Which way did they go?
A. They scattered in all directions--some went north, south, east, and
west--in every direction--the best way they could get out.
Q. Did it clear the track?
A. It cleared the track for a while.
Q. For what distance?
A. Near down to Twenty-eighth street--that is about the only place that
was obstructed.
Q. When did the mob begin to reassemble after that?
A. It took place somewhere along about six o'clock, I suppose. I was
not there.
Q. When were you there next?
A. Sunday morning when I came in everything was on fire--was
burning--seven and a half o'clock.
Q. How far?
A. To Twenty-eighth street.
Q. From what point?
A. What we call the south yard--the tracks south of the main track
between Lawrenceville and Twenty-eighth street--they were burning, and
they were burning the upper round-house then. I was along on the hill
side, within sight of the track, from seven and a half that morning
until eight o'clock that night.
Q. Where were the soldiers or troops?
A. They had left there then, and went into the work-house, I believe.
They left the round-house between five and six o'clock in the morning.
Q. What took place during the day of Sunday--how large was the crowd
Sunday morning?
A. The crowd that was burning?
Q. Engaged in actual riotous conduct?
A. There were these right in the yard--there appeared to be somewhere
in the neighborhood of a thousand people. I cannot tell whether they
all belonged to the crowd or not. They appeared to be following after
it--breaking the cars open and taking out what they wanted, and then
setting fire to them.
Q. Who was breaking open the cars?
A. I cannot tell who they were.
Q. Did you go to see?
A. I didn't go near enough to recognize any of them.
By Senator Reyburn:
Q. From their appearance could you form any idea as to whether they
were railroad men or not?
A. I could not tell.
Q. Was there nothing to distinguish them?
A. No.
Q. Who was engaged in firing the cars at that time?
A. I cannot tell that.
Q. Were they setting the cars on fire with torches and fire brands?
A. Yes. Wherever there was a gap they would carry the fire over the gap
to the next place.
Q. Did you make any effort to see who those men were?
A. I could not tell who they were.
By Mr. Larrabee:
Q. What kind of men were they?
A. They were rough looking men.
By Mr. Lindsey:
Q. How near did you go?
A. I was a hundred feet or so from them. I heard that detectives were
there. Some of them told me, in fact, that they understood detectives
were among them watching them.
Q. Did you see any of your men among the crowd on Sunday morning?
A. No; I did not.
Adjourned to meet at three o'clock, P.M.