Mr. FRITZ. I presumed by that he had used it by saying he had picked it
up in New Orleans.
Mr. BALL. To one officer he said he didn't want to talk about that or
he wouldn't talk about that?
Mr. FRITZ. That is right. Very often he would do that. He would tell
him some things and tell me some things.
Mr. BALL. I am talking about this card, A. Hidell. Do you recall
whether he told you he had picked it up in New Orleans and--or did he
tell you he didn't want to talk about it? He wouldn't talk about it?
Mr. FRITZ. He didn't tell me he wouldn't want to talk about it. He told
me he had picked it up down there and when I questioned further then he
told me he didn't want to talk about it.
Mr. BALL. Now, the next morning or the next day you questioned him
again, didn't you?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see, that would be on the 23d.
Mr. BALL. You had another showup on the 23d in the afternoon, but
apparently that morning before the showup you talked to him in your
office?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What do your records show as to the first time you talked to
him on November 23?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see.
Mr. BALL. I believe if you will look on page 6 of 137B of your formal
report that will refresh your memory.
Mr. FRITZ. Which part of this do you want now?
Mr. BALL. I want to know what time you started to question him on
November 23.
Mr. FRITZ. I think I can get that time out of the little book.
Mr. BALL. If you look at the top of page 6 there.
Mr. FRITZ. I don't have it.
Mr. BALL. Do you have 137B?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes; I have it. I show 10:25 a.m.
Mr. BALL. 10:35?
Mr. FRITZ. 10:25.
Mr. BALL. 10:25 a.m.?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Who was present at this time? Still--look at your notes there.
Mr. FRITZ. I show here Jim Bookhout, Forrest Sorrels, special agent in
charge of Secret Service. Robert Nash, who is U.S. marshal there in
Dallas, and an officer besides myself.
Mr. BALL. What officer beside yourself?
Mr. FRITZ. I have that in here.
Mr. BALL. Tell me what you talked about this morning on the 23d? You
called him down there for a certain purpose, didn't you?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see if this is the morning of the 24th, is it--is this
the 23d or 24th?
Mr. BALL. This is Saturday morning, the 23d.
Mr. FRITZ. Saturday morning.
Mr. BALL. You learned certain things from your investigation of the day
before, hadn't you?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. One of them was you found he had a transfer, didn't you, in
his pocket when he was arrested?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I sure talked to him about the transfers.
Mr. BALL. All right. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He admitted the transfer.
Mr. BALL. I don't want you to say he admitted the transfer. I want you
to tell me what he said about the transfer.
Mr. FRITZ. He told me that was the transfer the busdriver had given
him when he caught the bus to go home. But he had told me if you will
remember in our previous conversation that he rode the bus or on North
Beckley and had walked home but in the meantime, sometime had told me
about him riding a cab.
So, when I asked him about a cab ride if he had ridden in a cab he said
yes, he had, he told me wrong about the bus, he had rode a cab. He
said the reason he changed, that he rode the bus for a short distance,
and the crowd was so heavy and traffic was so bad that he got out and
caught a cab, and I asked him some other questions about the cab and
I asked him what happened there when he caught the cab and he said
there was a lady trying to catch a cab and he told the busdriver, the
busdriver told him to tell the lady to catch the cab behind him and he
said he rode that cab over near his home, he rode home in a cab.