Mr. McCLOY. It is on the other side.
Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir. You see these tracks.
Mr. RANKIN. Mark that as Exhibit 703 and you can refer to.
Mr. CURRY. Yes; here is the School Book Depository. The railroad goes
over.
Mr. DULLES. This aerial view of the Elm Street there, isn't it of the
underpass, will be admitted as 704.
(Commission Exhibit No. 704 was marked for identification, and received
in evidence.)
Mr. McCLOY. Do you call that the railroad yards?
Mr. CURRY. Yes; that is true.
Mr. McCLOY. Above the underpass?
Mr. CURRY. Yes.
Mr. McCLOY. Did you see a number of people in the railroad yard?
Mr. CURRY. I would estimate maybe a half dozen.
Mr. DULLES. They were spectators or were they workmen. They were
spectators?
Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir; as well as I was able to tell. They might have
been workmen, too, but I presume it was people who were in the area and
as the motorcade approached they got into position where they perhaps
could have seen it.
Mr. McCLOY. Did you recognize any officer amongst them?
Mr. CURRY. I seemed to recall seeing a uniformed police officer up
there.
Mr. McCLOY. In the railroad yard, and there was no commotion amongst
the railroad yard people?
Mr. CURRY. I don't believe so.
Representative FORD. Do you know who the officer was?
Mr. CURRY. No, sir; but I believe by looking at the assignments we
could determine what officer was up there.
There is an assignment of personnel which has been submitted for the
record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mrs. RANKIN. On the record, we will supply for the purposes of this
record the name of the officer and check it with Chief Curry, who was
on the underpass or really the over part of the pass.
Mr. CURRY. Really over.
Mr. RANKIN. At the time of the motorcade.
Representative FORD. Who determined there should be one, not more
officers at an overpass?
Mr. CURRY. Deputy Chief Lunday and Assistant Chief Batchelor went over
this route with Sorrels, and I believe Lawson was with them. And they
were the ones who determined how many men would be placed at each
location.
Mr. RANKIN. The inquiry I think particularly is did the Secret Service
decide it would be one or did you decide it would be one?
Mr. CURRY. No; it would be the Secret Service because we just let them
tell us how many men they wanted. The only deviation we made from that
was in the security of the Trade Mart. I believe they requested 143
men, as I recall to secure the Trade Mart, and I believe we supplied
them with 193 or 194 men, somewhat in excess of what they asked for at
this location.
I called the State police, and they furnished a number of men, about 30
men, and Sheriff Decker furnished about 15, and I think we furnished
from our department everybody that they asked for really, so we had a
surplus.
Representative FORD. But the details as to how many men should be
placed where were determined by Lawson and Sorrels of the Secret
Service?
Mr. CURRY. That is right, sir; yes, sir.
(At this point Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
Mr. McCLOY. May I ask one question?
As you were leading this or just ahead of the President's car, as you
came around past the School Depository Building, was there anything
that attracted your attention to the building at all as you went by?
Mr. CURRY. Not at all.
Mr. McCLOY. There was no movement or anything?
Mr. CURRY. Not at all.
Mr. McCLOY. You weren't conscious of looking up at the windows?
Mr. CURRY. Not at all.
Mr. McCLOY. You had Secret Service men in that car with you?
Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Were they inspecting the windows as they went by?
Mr. CURRY. It seemed that Sorrels, he was looking around a whole lot
and so was Lawson. I know comments were being made along the route as
to first one thing and then another.
Mr. DULLES. If you had had the other Car with police officers in it to
which you referred and which I gathered you recommended what would have
been the function and duties of the officers in that particular car?
Mr. CURRY. It would have been, of course, to guard the President, but
in the event that anything happened they would have immediately dropped
out of their car with rifles and submachine guns. That was what we had
planned.
Mr. RANKIN. Now, as a part of the plans for the motorcade, was there
anything said about the inspection of buildings along the route?
Mr. CURRY. The comment was made that in a city like this how in the
world could you inspect or put somebody in every window of every
building.
Mr. RANKIN. Who said that?
Mr. CURRY. This was in a discussion with the Secret Service. I don't
recall exactly who said this.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it the Secret Service people or your people?
Mr. CURRY. I don't know whether it was us or Secret Service. But this
was discussed. I think it was Secret Service who told us how they
always dreaded having to go through a downtown area where there were
these skyscraper buildings.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know of any effort that was made to search any of
the buildings?
Mr. CURRY. Not to my knowledge. We did put some extra men from the
special service bureau in the downtown area to work in midblocks to
watch the crowd and they were not specifically told to watch buildings
but they were told to watch everything.
Mr. RANKIN. Where were they located?
Mr. CURRY. On the route down Main Street. We didn't have any between
Elm Street and the railroad yard.
Mr. RANKIN. But you say in midblock?
Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir; especially midblock along the route through the
downtown area.
Mr. RANKIN. Where would the downtown area be?
Mr. CURRY. It would be from Harwood Street down to Houston Street.
Mr. RANKIN. Chief Curry, do you know whether Officers Foster and White
were on the underpass?
Mr. CURRY. I would have to look at the assignment sheet to determine
that, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. May I ask at this point, unless I may be interfering with
your examination, but was it usual for the representatives of the news
media to attend showups in the police headquarters apart from this
incident?
Mr. CURRY. It was not unusual. This was not setting a precedent.
Mr. McCLOY. It was not unusual.
Representative FORD. In such a showup where they are present, are they
shielded from the person brought in for identification?