We haven't got them marked yet "A," "B," and "C."

Representative BOGGS. Postoperative, these are after the operation?

Dr. GREGORY. These two. This one was made before the wound was dealt

with.

Mr. SPECTER. Which one?

Dr. GREGORY. "A" is the one made before the wound was dealt with

surgically.

Senator COOPER. Could you mark it 4 "A," "B," "C," and "D," Doctor?

Mr. McCLOY. Is that "B," we have had another "B" here, you know?

Dr. GREGORY. This is "C." "A" and "C" are comparable X-rays, one made

before and one made after the operation was carried out.

Before the operation, you will note a large fragment of metal

visible here, not visible in this one. You will also note a small

satellite fragment not visible here. A second piece of metal visible

preoperatively is still present postoperatively.

No effort incidentally is made to dissect for these fragments. They

are small, they are proverbial needles in hay stacks, and we know from

experience that small flakes of metal of this kind do not ordinarily

produce difficulty in the future, but that the extensive dissection

required to find them may produce such consequences and so we choose

to leave them inside unless we chance upon them, and on this occasion,

those bits of metal recovered were simply found by chance in the course

of removing necrotized material.

Other than that the X-rays have nothing more to offer so far as the

wrist is concerned.

Mr. SPECTER. May we then reserve 692 for "C" and 693 for "D"?

Dr. GREGORY. I will put the other marks on these.

Senator COOPER. So ordered.

Dr. GREGORY. For your convenience.

Mr. DULLES. Was the wound of exit in the wrist also jagged like the

wound of entry or was there, what differences were there between the

wound of entry and the wound of exit?

Dr. GREGORY. The wound of exit was disposed transversely across the

wrist exactly as I have it marked here. It was in the nature of a small

laceration, perhaps a centimeter and a half in length, about a half an

inch long, and it lay in the skin creases so that as you examined the

wrist casually it was a very innocent looking thing indeed, and it was

not until it was probed that its true nature in connection with the

remainder of the wound was evident.

Senator RUSSELL. When did you first see this bullet, Doctor, the one

you have just described in your testimony?

Dr. GREGORY. This bullet?

Senator RUSSELL. Yes.

Dr. GREGORY. This morning, sir.

Senator RUSSELL. You had never seen it until this morning?

Dr. GREGORY. I had never seen it before this time.

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, what was then the relative size of the wounds

on the back and front side of the wrist itself?

Dr. GREGORY. As I recall them, the wound dimensions would be so far

as the wound on the back of the wrist is concerned about a half a

centimeter by two and a half centimeters in length. It was rather

linear in nature. The upper end of it having apparently lost some

tissue was gapping more than the lower portion of it.

Mr. SPECTER. How about on the volar or front side of the wrist?

Dr. GREGORY. The volar surface or palmar surface had a wound disclosed

transversely about a half centimeter in length and about 2 centimeters

above the flexion crease to the wrist.

Mr. SPECTER. Then the wound on the dorsal or back side of the wrist was

a little larger than the wound on the volar or palm side of the wrist?

Dr. GREGORY. Yes; it was.

Mr. SPECTER. And is that characteristic in terms of entry and exit

wounds?

Dr. GREGORY. It is not at all characteristic of the entry wound of a

pristine missile which tends to make a small wound of entrance and

larger wound of exit.

Mr. SPECTER. Is it, however, characteristic of a missile which has had

its velocity substantially decreased?

Dr. GREGORY. I don't think that the exchange in the velocity will alter

the nature of the wound of entrance or exit excepting that if the

velocity is low enough the missile may simply manage to emerge or may

not emerge at all on the far side of the limb which has been struck.

Mr. DULLES. Would this be consistent with a tumbling bullet or a bullet

that had already tumbled and therefore entered back side too?

Dr. GREGORY. The wound of entrance is characteristic in my view of an

irregular missile in this case, an irregular missile which has tipped

itself off as being irregular by the nature of itself.

Mr. DULLES. What do you mean by irregular?

Dr. GREGORY. I mean one that has been distorted. It is in some way

angular, it has edges or sharp edges or something of this sort. It

is not rounded or pointed in the fashion of an ordinary missile. The

irregularity of it also, I submit, tends to pick up organic material

and carry it into the limb, and this is a very significant takeoff, in

my opinion.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you now described all of the characteristics on the

Governor's wrist which indicate either the point of entry or the point

of exit?

Dr. GREGORY. There is one additional piece of information that is of

pertinence but I don't know how effectively it can be applied to the

nature of the missile. That is the fact that dorsal branch of the

radial nerve, a sensory nerve in this immediate vicinity was partially

transected together with one tendon leading to the thumb, which was

totally transected.

This could have been produced by a missile entering in the ordinary

fashion, undisturbed, undistorted. But again it is more in keeping with

an irregular surface which would tend to catch and tear a structure

rather than push it aside.

Mr. SPECTER. Would that then also indicate the wound of entrance where

that striking took place?

Dr. GREGORY. I believe it is more in keeping with it, yes.

Mr. SPECTER. As to the thigh wound, what, if anything, did you observe

as to a wound on the thigh, Dr. Gregory?

Dr. GREGORY. I was apprised that the Governor had a wound of the thigh,

and I did examine it immediately the limb was available for it after

Dr. Shaw had completed the surgery.

The wound was located on the inner aspect of the thigh, a little to

the front surface about a third of the way up from the knee. The wound

appeared to me to be rounded, almost a puncture type of wound in

dimension about equal to a pencil eraser, about 6 mm.

I suspected that there might be a missile buried here and so an X-ray

was obtained of that limb, and----

Mr. SPECTER. Have you brought the X-ray with you?

Dr. GREGORY. Yes; I have.

Mr. SPECTER. On what date was that X-ray taken?

Dr. GREGORY. This X-ray is marked as having been taken on November 22,

1963. It indicates that it was made of the left thigh, and it belongs

to John Connally, John G. Connally.

Mr. SPECTER. That says "G" instead of "C"?

Dr. GREGORY. Yes. It appears to me to be a "G." The number again is

219-922.

Mr. SPECTER. Is that the same number as the other X-rays bear?

Dr. GREGORY. I believe it is, yes.

Mr. SPECTER. May we reserve then Commission Exhibit No. 694 for that

X-ray?

Senator COOPER. It may be so done.

Dr. GREGORY. There are a series of these films. Would you like them

marked subsequently "E", "F," and "G"?

Mr. SPECTER. Insofar as you feel they are helpful in characterizing the

wounds, do mark them in that way.

Dr. GREGORY. All right.

This I understand is Exhibit E, then and it is a single X-ray made on

the anterior posterial view of Mr. Connally's thigh. The only thing

found is a very small fleck of metal marked with an arrow here. It is

that small, and almost likely to be overlooked. This was not consonant

with the kind of wound on the medial aspect of his thigh.

Our next natural assumption was that that missile having escaped from

the thigh had escaped the confines of this X-ray and lay somewhere

else. So that additional X-rays were made of the same date and I

submit two additional X-rays identified again as belonging to John G.

Connally, the left lower extremity, November 22, 1963, and these two

are numbered 218-922, and they are an anterial posterior view which I

will mark "F," and a lateral view which I will mark "G."

Mr. SPECTER. May we reserve 695 for "F," and 696 for "G"?

Senator COOPER. So ordered.

Dr. GREGORY. Careful examination of this set of X-rays illustrated

or demonstrates, I should say, a number of artificial lines, this is

one and there is one. These lines I think represent rather hurried

development of these films for they were taken under emergency

conditions. They were intended simply to let us know if there was

another missile in the Governor's limb where it might be located.

The only missile turned up is the same one seen in the original film

which lies directly opposite the area indicated as the site of the

missile wound or the wound in the thigh, but a fragment of metal,

again microscopic measuring about five-tenths of a millimeter by 2

millimeters, lies just beneath the skin, about a half inch on the

medial aspect of the thigh.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the weight of that metallic

fragment?

Dr. GREGORY. This again would be in micrograms, postage stamp weight

thereabouts, not much more than that.

Mr. SPECTER. Could that fragment, in your opinion, have caused the

wound which you observed in the Governor's left thigh?

Dr. GREGORY. I do not believe it could have. The nature of the wound in

the left thigh was such that so small a fragment as this would not have

produced it and still have gone no further into the soft tissues than

it did.

Mr. SPECTER. Would the wound that you observed in the soft tissue of

the left thigh be consistent with having been made by a bullet such as

that identified as Commission Exhibit 399?

Dr. GREGORY. I think again that bullet, Exhibit 399, could very well

have struck the thigh in a reverse fashion and have shed a bit of its

lead core into the fascia immediately beneath the skin, yet never have

penetrated the thigh sufficiently so that it eventually was dislodged

and was found in the clothing.

I would like to add to that we were disconcerted by not finding a

missile at all. Here was our patient with three discernible wounds,

and no missile within him of sufficient magnitude to account for them,

and we suggested that someone ought to search his belongings and other

areas where he had been to see if it could be identified or found,

rather.

Mr. SPECTER. Had the missile gone through his wrist in reverse, would

it likely have continued in that same course until it reached his

thigh, in your opinion?

Dr. GREGORY. The missile that struck his wrist had sufficient energy

left after it passed through the radius to emerge from the soft tissues

on the under surface of the skin. It could have had enough to partially

enter his thigh, but not completely.

Mr. SPECTER. In the way which his thigh was wounded?

Dr. GREGORY. I believe so; yes.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you do, Dr. Gregory, with the missile fragments

which you removed from his wrists?

Dr. GREGORY. Those were turned over to the operating room nurse in

attendance with instructions that they should be presented to the

appropriate authorities present, probably a member of the Texas

Rangers, but that is as far as I went with it myself.

Mr. SPECTER. I now show you a part of a document heretofore identified

as Commission Exhibit 392, a two-page report which bears your name on

the second page, and I ask you if this is the report you made of the

operation on Governor Connally?

Dr. GREGORY. It appears to be the same; yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Are the facts set forth therein true and correct?

Dr. GREGORY. In essence they are true and correct; yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, does that report show the name of the nurse

to whom you turned over the metallic fragments?

Dr. GREGORY. There are two nurses who are identified on this page. One

is the scrub nurse, Miss Rutherford, and the second is the circulating

nurse, Mrs. Schrader.

Mr. SPECTER. And is one or the other the nurse to whom you turned over

the metallic fragments?

Dr. GREGORY. I do not remember precisely to whom I handed them. I do

not know.

Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a document marked Commission Exhibit No.

679, which Dr. Shaw used to identify the wounds on the Governor's back,

and I ask you to note whether these documents accurately depict the

place and the identity of the entry and exit wounds.

Dr. GREGORY. They do not in that, though the location of the wounds

on the forearm is correct, and the dimensions, it is my opinion that

entrance and exit terms have been reversed.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you delete the inaccurate statement and insert the

accurate statement with your initials by the side of the changes,

please?

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