STRANGER: Very likely they may be, and we will consider their claim.

But we are certain of this,--that no one will raise a similar claim as

against the herdsman, who is allowed on all hands to be the sole and

only feeder and physician of his herd; he is also their match-maker

and accoucheur; no one else knows that department of science. And he is

their merry-maker and musician, as far as their nature is susceptible of

such influences, and no one can console and soothe his own herd

better than he can, either with the natural tones of his voice or with

instruments. And the same may be said of tenders of animals in general.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: But if this is as you say, can our argument about the king

be true and unimpeachable? Were we right in selecting him out of ten

thousand other claimants to be the shepherd and rearer of the human

flock?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Surely not.

STRANGER: Had we not reason just to now to apprehend, that although we

may have described a sort of royal form, we have not as yet accurately

worked out the true image of the Statesman? and that we cannot reveal

him as he truly is in his own nature, until we have disengaged and

separated him from those who hang about him and claim to share in his

prerogatives?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: And that, Socrates, is what we must do, if we do not mean to

bring disgrace upon the argument at its close.

YOUNG SOCRATES: We must certainly avoid that.

STRANGER: Then let us make a new beginning, and travel by a different

road.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What road?

STRANGER: I think that we may have a little amusement; there is a famous

tale, of which a good portion may with advantage be interwoven, and then

we may resume our series of divisions, and proceed in the old path until

we arrive at the desired summit. Shall we do as I say?

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: Listen, then, to a tale which a child would love to hear; and

you are not too old for childish amusement.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.

STRANGER: There did really happen, and will again happen, like many

other events of which ancient tradition has preserved the record, the

portent which is traditionally said to have occurred in the quarrel of

Atreus and Thyestes. You have heard, no doubt, and remember what they

say happened at that time?

YOUNG SOCRATES: I suppose you to mean the token of the birth of the

golden lamb.

STRANGER: No, not that; but another part of the story, which tells how

the sun and the stars once rose in the west, and set in the east, and

that the god reversed their motion, and gave them that which they now

have as a testimony to the right of Atreus.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes; there is that legend also.

STRANGER: Again, we have been often told of the reign of Cronos.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, very often.

STRANGER: Did you ever hear that the men of former times were

earth-born, and not begotten of one another?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, that is another old tradition.

STRANGER: All these stories, and ten thousand others which are still

more wonderful, have a common origin; many of them have been lost in

the lapse of ages, or are repeated only in a disconnected form; but the

origin of them is what no one has told, and may as well be told now; for

the tale is suited to throw light on the nature of the king.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good; and I hope that you will give the whole

story, and leave out nothing.

STRANGER: Listen, then. There is a time when God himself guides and

helps to roll the world in its course; and there is a time, on the

completion of a certain cycle, when he lets go, and the world being a

living creature, and having originally received intelligence from its

author and creator, turns about and by an inherent necessity revolves in

the opposite direction.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Why is that?

STRANGER: Why, because only the most divine things of all remain ever

unchanged and the same, and body is not included in this class. Heaven

and the universe, as we have termed them, although they have been

endowed by the Creator with many glories, partake of a bodily nature,

and therefore cannot be entirely free from perturbation. But their

motion is, as far as possible, single and in the same place, and of the

same kind; and is therefore only subject to a reversal, which is the

least alteration possible. For the lord of all moving things is alone

able to move of himself; and to think that he moves them at one time in

one direction and at another time in another is blasphemy. Hence we must

not say that the world is either self-moved always, or all made to go

round by God in two opposite courses; or that two Gods, having opposite

purposes, make it move round. But as I have already said (and this is

the only remaining alternative) the world is guided at one time by an

external power which is divine and receives fresh life and immortality

from the renewing hand of the Creator, and again, when let go, moves

spontaneously, being set free at such a time as to have, during infinite

cycles of years, a reverse movement: this is due to its perfect balance,

to its vast size, and to the fact that it turns on the smallest pivot.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Your account of the world seems to be very reasonable

indeed.

STRANGER: Let us now reflect and try to gather from what has been said

the nature of the phenomenon which we affirmed to be the cause of all

these wonders. It is this.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: The reversal which takes place from time to time of the motion

of the universe.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How is that the cause?

STRANGER: Of all changes of the heavenly motions, we may consider this

to be the greatest and most complete.

YOUNG SOCRATES: I should imagine so.

STRANGER: And it may be supposed to result in the greatest changes to

the human beings who are the inhabitants of the world at the time.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Such changes would naturally occur.

STRANGER: And animals, as we know, survive with difficulty great and

serious changes of many different kinds when they come upon them at

once.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: Hence there necessarily occurs a great destruction of them,

which extends also to the life of man; few survivors of the race are

left, and those who remain become the subjects of several novel and

remarkable phenomena, and of one in particular, which takes place at the

time when the transition is made to the cycle opposite to that in which

we are now living.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?

STRANGER: The life of all animals first came to a standstill, and the

mortal nature ceased to be or look older, and was then reversed and grew

young and delicate; the white locks of the aged darkened again, and the

cheeks the bearded man became smooth, and recovered their former bloom;

the bodies of youths in their prime grew softer and smaller, continually

by day and night returning and becoming assimilated to the nature of a

newly-born child in mind as well as body; in the succeeding stage they

wasted away and wholly disappeared. And the bodies of those who died by

violence at that time quickly passed through the like changes, and in a

few days were no more seen.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Then how, Stranger, were the animals created in those

days; and in what way were they begotten of one another?

STRANGER: It is evident, Socrates, that there was no such thing in the

then order of nature as the procreation of animals from one another; the

earth-born race, of which we hear in story, was the one which existed

in those days--they rose again from the ground; and of this tradition,

which is now-a-days often unduly discredited, our ancestors, who were

nearest in point of time to the end of the last period and came into

being at the beginning of this, are to us the heralds. And mark how

consistent the sequel of the tale is; after the return of age to youth,

follows the return of the dead, who are lying in the earth, to life;

simultaneously with the reversal of the world the wheel of their

generation has been turned back, and they are put together and rise and

live in the opposite order, unless God has carried any of them away to

some other lot. According to this tradition they of necessity sprang

from the earth and have the name of earth-born, and so the above legend

clings to them.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly that is quite consistent with what has

preceded; but tell me, was the life which you said existed in the reign

of Cronos in that cycle of the world, or in this? For the change in the

course of the stars and the sun must have occurred in both.

STRANGER: I see that you enter into my meaning;--no, that blessed and

spontaneous life does not belong to the present cycle of the world, but

to the previous one, in which God superintended the whole revolution of

the universe; and the several parts the universe were distributed under

the rule of certain inferior deities, as is the way in some places

still. There were demigods, who were the shepherds of the various

species and herds of animals, and each one was in all respects

sufficient for those of whom he was the shepherd; neither was there any

violence, or devouring of one another, or war or quarrel among them;

and I might tell of ten thousand other blessings, which belonged to that

dispensation. The reason why the life of man was, as tradition says,

spontaneous, is as follows: In those days God himself was their

shepherd, and ruled over them, just as man, who is by comparison a

divine being, still rules over the lower animals. Under him there were

no forms of government or separate possession of women and children;

for all men rose again from the earth, having no memory of the past. And

although they had nothing of this sort, the earth gave them fruits in

abundance, which grew on trees and shrubs unbidden, and were not planted

by the hand of man. And they dwelt naked, and mostly in the open air,

for the temperature of their seasons was mild; and they had no beds, but

lay on soft couches of grass, which grew plentifully out of the earth.

Such was the life of man in the days of Cronos, Socrates; the character

of our present life, which is said to be under Zeus, you know from your

own experience. Can you, and will you, determine which of them you deem

the happier?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Impossible.

STRANGER: Then shall I determine for you as well as I can?

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: Suppose that the nurslings of Cronos, having this boundless

leisure, and the power of holding intercourse, not only with men, but

with the brute creation, had used all these advantages with a view to

philosophy, conversing with the brutes as well as with one another, and

learning of every nature which was gifted with any special power, and

was able to contribute some special experience to the store of wisdom,

there would be no difficulty in deciding that they would be a thousand

times happier than the men of our own day. Or, again, if they had merely

eaten and drunk until they were full, and told stories to one another

and to the animals--such stories as are now attributed to them--in this

case also, as I should imagine, the answer would be easy. But until some

satisfactory witness can be found of the love of that age for knowledge

and discussion, we had better let the matter drop, and give the reason

why we have unearthed this tale, and then we shall be able to get on.

In the fulness of time, when the change was to take place, and the

earth-born race had all perished, and every soul had completed its

proper cycle of births and been sown in the earth her appointed number

of times, the pilot of the universe let the helm go, and retired to his

place of view; and then Fate and innate desire reversed the motion of

the world. Then also all the inferior deities who share the rule of the

supreme power, being informed of what was happening, let go the parts

of the world which were under their control. And the world turning

round with a sudden shock, being impelled in an opposite direction from

beginning to end, was shaken by a mighty earthquake, which wrought a new

destruction of all manner of animals. Afterwards, when sufficient time

had elapsed, the tumult and confusion and earthquake ceased, and the

universal creature, once more at peace, attained to a calm, and settled

down into his own orderly and accustomed course, having the charge and

rule of himself and of all the creatures which are contained in him, and

executing, as far as he remembered them, the instructions of his

Father and Creator, more precisely at first, but afterwords with less

exactness. The reason of the falling off was the admixture of matter in

him; this was inherent in the primal nature, which was full of disorder,

until attaining to the present order. From God, the constructor, the

world received all that is good in him, but from a previous state came

elements of evil and unrighteousness, which, thence derived, first of

all passed into the world, and were then transmitted to the animals.

While the world was aided by the pilot in nurturing the animals, the

evil was small, and great the good which he produced, but after the

separation, when the world was let go, at first all proceeded well

enough; but, as time went on, there was more and more forgetting, and

the old discord again held sway and burst forth in full glory; and at

last small was the good, and great was the admixture of evil, and there

was a danger of universal ruin to the world, and to the things contained

in him. Wherefore God, the orderer of all, in his tender care, seeing

that the world was in great straits, and fearing that all might be

dissolved in the storm and disappear in infinite chaos, again seated

himself at the helm; and bringing back the elements which had fallen

into dissolution and disorder to the motion which had prevailed under

his dispensation, he set them in order and restored them, and made the

world imperishable and immortal. And this is the whole tale, of which

the first part will suffice to illustrate the nature of the king. For

when the world turned towards the present cycle of generation, the age

of man again stood still, and a change opposite to the previous one was

the result. The small creatures which had almost disappeared grew in and

stature, and the newly-born children of the earth became grey and

died and sank into the earth again. All things changed, imitating and

following the condition of the universe, and of necessity agreeing with

that in their mode of conception and generation and nurture; for no

animal was any longer allowed to come into being in the earth through

the agency of other creative beings, but as the world was ordained to be

the lord of his own progress, in like manner the parts were ordained

to grow and generate and give nourishment, as far as they could, of

themselves, impelled by a similar movement. And so we have arrived at

the real end of this discourse; for although there might be much to tell

of the lower animals, and of the condition out of which they changed

and of the causes of the change, about men there is not much, and that

little is more to the purpose. Deprived of the care of God, who had

possessed and tended them, they were left helpless and defenceless, and

were torn in pieces by the beasts, who were naturally fierce and had

now grown wild. And in the first ages they were still without skill or

resource; the food which once grew spontaneously had failed, and as

yet they knew not how to procure it, because they had never felt the

pressure of necessity. For all these reasons they were in a great

strait; wherefore also the gifts spoken of in the old tradition

were imparted to man by the gods, together with so much teaching and

education as was indispensable; fire was given to them by Prometheus,

the arts by Hephaestus and his fellow-worker, Athene, seeds and plants

by others. From these is derived all that has helped to frame human

life; since the care of the Gods, as I was saying, had now failed men,

and they had to order their course of life for themselves, and were

their own masters, just like the universal creature whom they imitate

and follow, ever changing, as he changes, and ever living and growing,

at one time in one manner, and at another time in another. Enough of

the story, which may be of use in showing us how greatly we erred in the

delineation of the king and the statesman in our previous discourse.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What was this great error of which you speak?

STRANGER: There were two; the first a lesser one, the other was an error

on a much larger and grander scale.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?

STRANGER: I mean to say that when we were asked about a king and

statesman of the present cycle and generation, we told of a shepherd of

a human flock who belonged to the other cycle, and of one who was a

god when he ought to have been a man; and this a great error. Again,

we declared him to be the ruler of the entire State, without explaining

how: this was not the whole truth, nor very intelligible; but still it

was true, and therefore the second error was not so great as the first.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.

STRANGER: Before we can expect to have a perfect description of the

statesman we must define the nature of his office.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: And the myth was introduced in order to show, not only that

all others are rivals of the true shepherd who is the object of our

search, but in order that we might have a clearer view of him who is

alone worthy to receive this appellation, because he alone of shepherds

and herdsmen, according to the image which we have employed, has the

care of human beings.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: And I cannot help thinking, Socrates, that the form of

the divine shepherd is even higher than that of a king; whereas the

statesmen who are now on earth seem to be much more like their subjects

in character, and much more nearly to partake of their breeding and

education.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Still they must be investigated all the same, to see whether,

like the divine shepherd, they are above their subjects or on a level

with them.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.

STRANGER: To resume:--Do you remember that we spoke of a

command-for-self exercised over animals, not singly but collectively,

which we called the art of rearing a herd?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, I remember.

STRANGER: There, somewhere, lay our error; for we never included or

mentioned the Statesman; and we did not observe that he had no place in

our nomenclature.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How was that?

STRANGER: All other herdsmen 'rear' their herds, but this is not a

suitable term to apply to the Statesman; we should use a name which is

common to them all.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True, if there be such a name.

STRANGER: Why, is not 'care' of herds applicable to all? For this

implies no feeding, or any special duty; if we say either 'tending' the

herds, or 'managing' the herds, or 'having the care' of them, the same

word will include all, and then we may wrap up the Statesman with the

rest, as the argument seems to require.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite right; but how shall we take the next step in the

division?

STRANGER: As before we divided the art of 'rearing' herds accordingly as

they were land or water herds, winged and wingless, mixing or not

mixing the breed, horned and hornless, so we may divide by these same

differences the 'tending' of herds, comprehending in our definition the

kingship of to-day and the rule of Cronos.

YOUNG SOCRATES: That is clear; but I still ask, what is to follow.

STRANGER: If the word had been 'managing' herds, instead of feeding or

rearing them, no one would have argued that there was no care of men in

the case of the politician, although it was justly contended, that there

was no human art of feeding them which was worthy of the name, or at

least, if there were, many a man had a prior and greater right to share

in such an art than any king.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: But no other art or science will have a prior or better right

than the royal science to care for human society and to rule over men in

general.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.

STRANGER: In the next place, Socrates, we must surely notice that a

great error was committed at the end of our analysis.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What was it?

STRANGER: Why, supposing we were ever so sure that there is such an

art as the art of rearing or feeding bipeds, there was no reason why

we should call this the royal or political art, as though there were no

more to be said.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.

STRANGER: Our first duty, as we were saying, was to remodel the name,

so as to have the notion of care rather than of feeding, and then to

divide, for there may be still considerable divisions.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How can they be made?

STRANGER: First, by separating the divine shepherd from the human

guardian or manager.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: And the art of management which is assigned to man would again

have to be subdivided.

YOUNG SOCRATES: On what principle?

STRANGER: On the principle of voluntary and compulsory.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Why?

STRANGER: Because, if I am not mistaken, there has been an error here;

for our simplicity led us to rank king and tyrant together, whereas they

are utterly distinct, like their modes of government.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: Then, now, as I said, let us make the correction and divide

human care into two parts, on the principle of voluntary and compulsory.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: And if we call the management of violent rulers tyranny, and

the voluntary management of herds of voluntary bipeds politics, may we

not further assert that he who has this latter art of management is the

true king and statesman?

YOUNG SOCRATES: I think, Stranger, that we have now completed the

account of the Statesman.

STRANGER: Would that we had, Socrates, but I have to satisfy myself

as well as you; and in my judgment the figure of the king is not

yet perfected; like statuaries who, in their too great haste, having

overdone the several parts of their work, lose time in cutting them

down, so too we, partly out of haste, partly out of a magnanimous desire

to expose our former error, and also because we imagined that a king

required grand illustrations, have taken up a marvellous lump of fable,

and have been obliged to use more than was necessary. This made us

discourse at large, and, nevertheless, the story never came to an end.

And our discussion might be compared to a picture of some living being

which had been fairly drawn in outline, but had not yet attained the

life and clearness which is given by the blending of colours. Now to

intelligent persons a living being had better be delineated by language

and discourse than by any painting or work of art: to the duller sort by

works of art.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true; but what is the imperfection which still

remains? I wish that you would tell me.

STRANGER: The higher ideas, my dear friend, can hardly be set forth

except through the medium of examples; every man seems to know all

things in a dreamy sort of way, and then again to wake up and to know

nothing.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?

STRANGER: I fear that I have been unfortunate in raising a question

about our experience of knowledge.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Why so?

STRANGER: Why, because my 'example' requires the assistance of another

example.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Proceed; you need not fear that I shall tire.

STRANGER: I will proceed, finding, as I do, such a ready listener in

you: when children are beginning to know their letters--

YOUNG SOCRATES: What are you going to say?

STRANGER: That they distinguish the several letters well enough in very

short and easy syllables, and are able to tell them correctly.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Whereas in other syllables they do not recognize them, and

think and speak falsely of them.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: Will not the best and easiest way of bringing them to a

knowledge of what they do not as yet know be--

YOUNG SOCRATES: Be what?

STRANGER: To refer them first of all to cases in which they judge

correctly about the letters in question, and then to compare these with

the cases in which they do not as yet know, and to show them that the

letters are the same, and have the same character in both combinations,

until all cases in which they are right have been placed side by side

with all cases in which they are wrong. In this way they have examples,

and are made to learn that each letter in every combination is always

the same and not another, and is always called by the same name.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Are not examples formed in this manner? We take a thing and

compare it with another distinct instance of the same thing, of which we

have a right conception, and out of the comparison there arises one true

notion, which includes both of them.

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