STRANGER: Well, and are not arithmetic and certain other kindred arts,

merely abstract knowledge, wholly separated from action?

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: But in the art of carpentering and all other handicrafts, the

knowledge of the workman is merged in his work; he not only knows, but

he also makes things which previously did not exist.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Then let us divide sciences in general into those which are

practical and those which are purely intellectual.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Let us assume these two divisions of science, which is

one whole.

STRANGER: And are 'statesman,' 'king,' 'master,' or 'householder,' one

and the same; or is there a science or art answering to each of these

names? Or rather, allow me to put the matter in another way.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.

STRANGER: If any one who is in a private station has the skill to advise

one of the public physicians, must not he also be called a physician?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: And if any one who is in a private station is able to advise

the ruler of a country, may not he be said to have the knowledge which

the ruler himself ought to have?

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: But surely the science of a true king is royal science?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: And will not he who possesses this knowledge, whether he

happens to be a ruler or a private man, when regarded only in reference

to his art, be truly called 'royal'?

YOUNG SOCRATES: He certainly ought to be.

STRANGER: And the householder and master are the same?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.

STRANGER: Again, a large household may be compared to a small

state:--will they differ at all, as far as government is concerned?

YOUNG SOCRATES: They will not.

STRANGER: Then, returning to the point which we were just now

discussing, do we not clearly see that there is one science of all

of them; and this science may be called either royal or political or

economical; we will not quarrel with any one about the name.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.

STRANGER: This too, is evident, that the king cannot do much with his

hands, or with his whole body, towards the maintenance of his empire,

compared with what he does by the intelligence and strength of his mind.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly not.

STRANGER: Then, shall we say that the king has a greater affinity to

knowledge than to manual arts and to practical life in general?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly he has.

STRANGER: Then we may put all together as one and the

same--statesmanship and the statesman--the kingly science and the king.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.

STRANGER: And now we shall only be proceeding in due order if we go on

to divide the sphere of knowledge?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.

STRANGER: Think whether you can find any joint or parting in knowledge.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Tell me of what sort.

STRANGER: Such as this: You may remember that we made an art of

calculation?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: Which was, unmistakeably, one of the arts of knowledge?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: And to this art of calculation which discerns the differences

of numbers shall we assign any other function except to pass judgment on

their differences?

YOUNG SOCRATES: How could we?

STRANGER: You know that the master-builder does not work himself, but is

the ruler of workmen?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: He contributes knowledge, not manual labour?

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: And may therefore be justly said to share in theoretical

science?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.

STRANGER: But he ought not, like the calculator, to regard his functions

as at an end when he has formed a judgment;--he must assign to the

individual workmen their appropriate task until they have completed the

work.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: Are not all such sciences, no less than arithmetic and the

like, subjects of pure knowledge; and is not the difference between the

two classes, that the one sort has the power of judging only, and the

other of ruling as well?

YOUNG SOCRATES: That is evident.

STRANGER: May we not very properly say, that of all knowledge, there are

two divisions--one which rules, and the other which judges?

YOUNG SOCRATES: I should think so.

STRANGER: And when men have anything to do in common, that they should

be of one mind is surely a desirable thing?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: Then while we are at unity among ourselves, we need not mind

about the fancies of others?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.

STRANGER: And now, in which of these divisions shall we place the

king?--Is he a judge and a kind of spectator? Or shall we assign to him

the art of command--for he is a ruler?

YOUNG SOCRATES: The latter, clearly.

STRANGER: Then we must see whether there is any mark of division in the

art of command too. I am inclined to think that there is a distinction

similar to that of manufacturer and retail dealer, which parts off the

king from the herald.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How is this?

STRANGER: Why, does not the retailer receive and sell over again the

productions of others, which have been sold before?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly he does.

STRANGER: And is not the herald under command, and does he not receive

orders, and in his turn give them to others?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: Then shall we mingle the kingly art in the same class with the

art of the herald, the interpreter, the boatswain, the prophet, and the

numerous kindred arts which exercise command; or, as in the preceding

comparison we spoke of manufacturers, or sellers for themselves, and of

retailers,--seeing, too, that the class of supreme rulers, or rulers for

themselves, is almost nameless--shall we make a word following the

same analogy, and refer kings to a supreme or ruling-for-self science,

leaving the rest to receive a name from some one else? For we are

seeking the ruler; and our enquiry is not concerned with him who is not

a ruler.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.

STRANGER: Thus a very fair distinction has been attained between the man

who gives his own commands, and him who gives another's. And now let us

see if the supreme power allows of any further division.

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: I think that it does; and please to assist me in making the

division.

YOUNG SOCRATES: At what point?

STRANGER: May not all rulers be supposed to command for the sake of

producing something?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Nor is there any difficulty in dividing the things produced

into two classes.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How would you divide them?

STRANGER: Of the whole class, some have life and some are without life.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: And by the help of this distinction we may make, if we please,

a subdivision of the section of knowledge which commands.

YOUNG SOCRATES: At what point?

STRANGER: One part may be set over the production of lifeless, the other

of living objects; and in this way the whole will be divided.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: That division, then, is complete; and now we may leave one

half, and take up the other; which may also be divided into two.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Which of the two halves do you mean?

STRANGER: Of course that which exercises command about animals. For,

surely, the royal science is not like that of a master-workman,

a science presiding over lifeless objects;--the king has a nobler

function, which is the management and control of living beings.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: And the breeding and tending of living beings may be observed

to be sometimes a tending of the individual; in other cases, a common

care of creatures in flocks?

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: But the statesman is not a tender of individuals--not like

the driver or groom of a single ox or horse; he is rather to be compared

with the keeper of a drove of horses or oxen.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, I see, thanks to you.

STRANGER: Shall we call this art of tending many animals together, the

art of managing a herd, or the art of collective management?

YOUNG SOCRATES: No matter;--whichever suggests itself to us in the

course of conversation.

STRANGER: Very good, Socrates; and, if you continue to be not too

particular about names, you will be all the richer in wisdom when you

are an old man. And now, as you say, leaving the discussion of the

name,--can you see a way in which a person, by showing the art of

herding to be of two kinds, may cause that which is now sought amongst

twice the number of things, to be then sought amongst half that number?

YOUNG SOCRATES: I will try;--there appears to me to be one management of

men and another of beasts.

STRANGER: You have certainly divided them in a most straightforward and

manly style; but you have fallen into an error which hereafter I think

that we had better avoid.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What is the error?

STRANGER: I think that we had better not cut off a single small portion

which is not a species, from many larger portions; the part should be a

species. To separate off at once the subject of investigation, is a most

excellent plan, if only the separation be rightly made; and you were

under the impression that you were right, because you saw that you would

come to man; and this led you to hasten the steps. But you should not

chip off too small a piece, my friend; the safer way is to cut through

the middle; which is also the more likely way of finding classes.

Attention to this principle makes all the difference in a process of

enquiry.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean, Stranger?

STRANGER: I will endeavour to speak more plainly out of love to your

good parts, Socrates; and, although I cannot at present entirely explain

myself, I will try, as we proceed, to make my meaning a little clearer.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What was the error of which, as you say, we were guilty

in our recent division?

STRANGER: The error was just as if some one who wanted to divide the

human race, were to divide them after the fashion which prevails in this

part of the world; here they cut off the Hellenes as one species, and

all the other species of mankind, which are innumerable, and have

no ties or common language, they include under the single name of

'barbarians,' and because they have one name they are supposed to be of

one species also. Or suppose that in dividing numbers you were to

cut off ten thousand from all the rest, and make of it one species,

comprehending the rest under another separate name, you might say that

here too was a single class, because you had given it a single name.

Whereas you would make a much better and more equal and logical

classification of numbers, if you divided them into odd and even; or of

the human species, if you divided them into male and female; and only

separated off Lydians or Phrygians, or any other tribe, and arrayed them

against the rest of the world, when you could no longer make a division

into parts which were also classes.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true; but I wish that this distinction between a

part and a class could still be made somewhat plainer.

STRANGER: O Socrates, best of men, you are imposing upon me a very

difficult task. We have already digressed further from our original

intention than we ought, and you would have us wander still further

away. But we must now return to our subject; and hereafter, when there

is a leisure hour, we will follow up the other track; at the same time,

I wish you to guard against imagining that you ever heard me declare--

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: That a class and a part are distinct.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What did I hear, then?

STRANGER: That a class is necessarily a part, but there is no similar

necessity that a part should be a class; that is the view which I should

always wish you to attribute to me, Socrates.

YOUNG SOCRATES: So be it.

STRANGER: There is another thing which I should like to know.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?

STRANGER: The point at which we digressed; for, if I am not mistaken,

the exact place was at the question, Where you would divide the

management of herds. To this you appeared rather too ready to answer

that there were two species of animals; man being one, and all brutes

making up the other.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: I thought that in taking away a part, you imagined that the

remainder formed a class, because you were able to call them by the

common name of brutes.

YOUNG SOCRATES: That again is true.

STRANGER: Suppose now, O most courageous of dialecticians, that some

wise and understanding creature, such as a crane is reputed to be,

were, in imitation of you, to make a similar division, and set up cranes

against all other animals to their own special glorification, at the

same time jumbling together all the others, including man, under the

appellation of brutes,--here would be the sort of error which we must

try to avoid.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How can we be safe?

STRANGER: If we do not divide the whole class of animals, we shall be

less likely to fall into that error.

YOUNG SOCRATES: We had better not take the whole?

STRANGER: Yes, there lay the source of error in our former division.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How?

STRANGER: You remember how that part of the art of knowledge which

was concerned with command, had to do with the rearing of living

creatures,--I mean, with animals in herds?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: In that case, there was already implied a division of all

animals into tame and wild; those whose nature can be tamed are called

tame, and those which cannot be tamed are called wild.

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: And the political science of which we are in search, is and

ever was concerned with tame animals, and is also confined to gregarious

animals.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: But then we ought not to divide, as we did, taking the whole

class at once. Neither let us be in too great haste to arrive quickly at

the political science; for this mistake has already brought upon us the

misfortune of which the proverb speaks.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What misfortune?

STRANGER: The misfortune of too much haste, which is too little speed.

YOUNG SOCRATES: And all the better, Stranger;--we got what we deserved.

STRANGER: Very well: Let us then begin again, and endeavour to divide

the collective rearing of animals; for probably the completion of the

argument will best show what you are so anxious to know. Tell me, then--

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: Have you ever heard, as you very likely may--for I do not

suppose that you ever actually visited them--of the preserves of fishes

in the Nile, and in the ponds of the Great King; or you may have seen

similar preserves in wells at home?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, to be sure, I have seen them, and I have often

heard the others described.

STRANGER: And you may have heard also, and may have been assured by

report, although you have not travelled in those regions, of nurseries

of geese and cranes in the plains of Thessaly?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: I asked you, because here is a new division of the management

of herds, into the management of land and of water herds.

YOUNG SOCRATES: There is.

STRANGER: And do you agree that we ought to divide the collective

rearing of herds into two corresponding parts, the one the rearing of

water, and the other the rearing of land herds?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: There is surely no need to ask which of these two contains the

royal art, for it is evident to everybody.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Any one can divide the herds which feed on dry land?

YOUNG SOCRATES: How would you divide them?

STRANGER: I should distinguish between those which fly and those which

walk.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Most true.

STRANGER: And where shall we look for the political animal? Might not an

idiot, so to speak, know that he is a pedestrian?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: The art of managing the walking animal has to be further

divided, just as you might halve an even number.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.

STRANGER: Let me note that here appear in view two ways to that part

or class which the argument aims at reaching,--the one a speedier way,

which cuts off a small portion and leaves a large; the other agrees

better with the principle which we were laying down, that as far as we

can we should divide in the middle; but it is longer. We can take either

of them, whichever we please.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Cannot we have both ways?

STRANGER: Together? What a thing to ask! but, if you take them in turn,

you clearly may.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Then I should like to have them in turn.

STRANGER: There will be no difficulty, as we are near the end; if we had

been at the beginning, or in the middle, I should have demurred to your

request; but now, in accordance with your desire, let us begin with the

longer way; while we are fresh, we shall get on better. And now attend

to the division.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.

STRANGER: The tame walking herding animals are distributed by nature

into two classes.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Upon what principle?

STRANGER: The one grows horns; and the other is without horns.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.

STRANGER: Suppose that you divide the science which manages pedestrian

animals into two corresponding parts, and define them; for if you try to

invent names for them, you will find the intricacy too great.

YOUNG SOCRATES: How must I speak of them, then?

STRANGER: In this way: let the science of managing pedestrian animals

be divided into two parts, and one part assigned to the horned herd, and

the other to the herd that has no horns.

YOUNG SOCRATES: All that you say has been abundantly proved, and may

therefore be assumed.

STRANGER: The king is clearly the shepherd of a polled herd, who have no

horns.

YOUNG SOCRATES: That is evident.

STRANGER: Shall we break up this hornless herd into sections, and

endeavour to assign to him what is his?

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: Shall we distinguish them by their having or not having cloven

feet, or by their mixing or not mixing the breed? You know what I mean.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: I mean that horses and asses naturally breed from one another.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: But the remainder of the hornless herd of tame animals will

not mix the breed.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.

STRANGER: And of which has the Statesman charge,--of the mixed or of the

unmixed race?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly of the unmixed.

STRANGER: I suppose that we must divide this again as before.

YOUNG SOCRATES: We must.

STRANGER: Every tame and herding animal has now been split up, with

the exception of two species; for I hardly think that dogs should be

reckoned among gregarious animals.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not; but how shall we divide the two remaining

species?

STRANGER: There is a measure of difference which may be appropriately

employed by you and Theaetetus, who are students of geometry.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What is that?

STRANGER: The diameter; and, again, the diameter of a diameter. (Compare

Meno.)

YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?

STRANGER: How does man walk, but as a diameter whose power is two feet?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Just so.

STRANGER: And the power of the remaining kind, being the power of twice

two feet, may be said to be the diameter of our diameter.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly; and now I think that I pretty nearly

understand you.

STRANGER: In these divisions, Socrates, I descry what would make another

famous jest.

YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?

STRANGER: Human beings have come out in the same class with the freest

and airiest of creation, and have been running a race with them.

YOUNG SOCRATES: I remark that very singular coincidence.

STRANGER: And would you not expect the slowest to arrive last?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Indeed I should.

STRANGER: And there is a still more ridiculous consequence, that the

king is found running about with the herd and in close competition with

the bird-catcher, who of all mankind is most of an adept at the airy

life. (Plato is here introducing a new subdivision, i.e. that of bipeds

into men and birds. Others however refer the passage to the division

into quadrupeds and bipeds, making pigs compete with human beings and

the pig-driver with the king. According to this explanation we must

translate the words above, 'freest and airiest of creation,' 'worthiest

and laziest of creation.')

YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.

STRANGER: Then here, Socrates, is still clearer evidence of the truth of

what was said in the enquiry about the Sophist? (Compare Sophist.)

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: That the dialectical method is no respecter of persons, and

does not set the great above the small, but always arrives in her own

way at the truest result.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.

STRANGER: And now, I will not wait for you to ask, but will of my

own accord take you by the shorter road to the definition of a king.

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: I say that we should have begun at first by dividing land

animals into biped and quadruped; and since the winged herd, and that

alone, comes out in the same class with man, we should divide bipeds

into those which have feathers and those which have not, and when they

have been divided, and the art of the management of mankind is brought

to light, the time will have come to produce our Statesman and ruler,

and set him like a charioteer in his place, and hand over to him the

reins of state, for that too is a vocation which belongs to him.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good; you have paid me the debt,--I mean, that you

have completed the argument, and I suppose that you added the digression

by way of interest. (Compare Republic.)

STRANGER: Then now, let us go back to the beginning, and join the links,

which together make the definition of the name of the Statesman's art.

YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.

STRANGER: The science of pure knowledge had, as we said originally, a

part which was the science of rule or command, and from this was derived

another part, which was called command-for-self, on the analogy of

selling-for-self; an important section of this was the management of

living animals, and this again was further limited to the management

of them in herds; and again in herds of pedestrian animals. The chief

division of the latter was the art of managing pedestrian animals which

are without horns; this again has a part which can only be comprehended

under one term by joining together three names--shepherding pure-bred

animals. The only further subdivision is the art of man-herding,--this

has to do with bipeds, and is what we were seeking after, and have now

found, being at once the royal and political.

YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.

STRANGER: And do you think, Socrates, that we really have done as you

say?

YOUNG SOCRATES: What?

STRANGER: Do you think, I mean, that we have really fulfilled

our intention?--There has been a sort of discussion, and yet the

investigation seems to me not to be perfectly worked out: this is where

the enquiry fails.

YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not understand.

STRANGER: I will try to make the thought, which is at this moment

present in my mind, clearer to us both.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.

STRANGER: There were many arts of shepherding, and one of them was the

political, which had the charge of one particular herd?

YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.

STRANGER: And this the argument defined to be the art of rearing, not

horses or other brutes, but the art of rearing man collectively?

YOUNG SOCRATES: True.

STRANGER: Note, however, a difference which distinguishes the king from

all other shepherds.

YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you refer?

STRANGER: I want to ask, whether any one of the other herdsmen has a

rival who professes and claims to share with him in the management of

the herd?

YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?

STRANGER: I mean to say that merchants, husbandmen, providers of food,

and also training-masters and physicians, will all contend with the

herdsmen of humanity, whom we call Statesmen, declaring that they

themselves have the care of rearing or managing mankind, and that they

rear not only the common herd, but also the rulers themselves.

YOUNG SOCRATES: Are they not right in saying so?

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