Mr. LIEBELER. Did she----

Mr. PAINE. So we did not talk about it until later, then she took the

letter back and put it in an envelope or something, she didn't want me

to see it. She was sort of irked that I didn't.

Mr. LIEBELER. Look at it when she wanted you to look at it?

Mr. PAINE. Pay more attention to this thing, yes. But she didn't want

me to see it again. "If you didn't see anything in it never mind

looking at it."

Mr. LIEBELER. Did she tell you about any discussions she had with

Marina Oswald about Oswald's having been in Mexico?

Mr. PAINE. I was under the impression that Ruth didn't know he had been

in Mexico until after the assassination and, therefore, and I think

Ruth later said, was dismayed also that Marina had been apparently, had

apparently known and deceived her in this matter.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, did Ruth mention the fact that Marina had a little

charm made out of Mexican peso.

Mr. PAINE. Yes; but we didn't put that two and two together there until

the FBI came and we looked on our drill press to see if they had used

the tools in the shop to mount the sights on the gun and we found these

little metal filings and then Ruth remembered that he had drilled out

a coin to give to Marina and she never--I can't remember whether she

realized then that it was a peso or Ruth hadn't thought that much about

it until afterward.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you didn't discuss that subject prior to the

assassination, with your wife?

Mr. PAINE. I didn't know about this whole thing, this medallion.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did your wife mention the fact that Marina Oswald had a

record of Mexican music?

Mr. PAINE. No; I didn't know that until now. I don't recall it.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did your wife tell you anything about the nature of her

relationship with Marina Oswald during this period from the first of

October up to the assassination?

Mr. PAINE. It all seemed perfectly reasonable to me. When Ruth had met

Marina back in the spring, I had seen that Marina Oswald--when I met

them in their apartment, Oswald had spoken very loudly and harshly

to Marina, and I thought to myself, isn't it amazing to see a little

fellow who insists on wearing the pants, strongly. And then later on in

discussions which followed the discussion which followed, that evening

at the house, our house, he would not let her have a contrary opinion,

and I also saw she was allergic to gibes, and he would gibe frequently.

Mr. LIEBELER. She was allergic to them?

Mr. PAINE. It seemed to me so.

Mr. LIEBELER. They affected her greatly?

Mr. PAINE. Yes. This all went on in Russian, and I don't know what he

was saying. But I could see the object about which the statement was

made, and later Ruth also told me some of the things that he had said.

But I felt that he was keeping her a vassal, and since I was more eager

to hear her opinions of Russia than his opinions of Russia, I was eager

that she should learn English, and when--Ruth told me that Marina

thought she must have to go back to the Soviet Union, and I thought out

of largesse of this country it should be possible for her to stay here

if she wanted to stay here and she quite apparently did, she struck me

as a somewhat apolitical person and yet true, just, and conscientious,

so it was agreeable to me to look forward to financing her stay until

she could make her own way here.

It added--Ruth also wanted to learn Russian, this was a cheap way for

her to learn Russian, than to pay tutoring. And, as it happened, it was

costing me less. She didn't go out shopping so much.

Mr. LIEBELER. When she was home learning Russian from Marina?

Mr. PAINE. When Marina was there to keep her company. She would go mad

with boredom, I would think. So that it--we were somewhat saddened, or

I think Ruth was, I think we shared--Ruth, of course, didn't want to

stand in the way of Marina and Lee if they were happy together, but

would have been glad to see Marina break away and make her own way. And

she was a nice companion for Ruth.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any impression of how Marina and Ruth got

along together, what they did with their time during the day, that sort

of thing?

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. LIEBELER. Mr. Paine, you mentioned before these curtain rods that

were in your garage. Can you tell us approximately how many curtain

rods there were in the garage when you last saw them and tell us when

you last saw them?

Mr. PAINE. I saw them quite recently, 2 weeks ago.

Mr. LIEBELER. How many curtain rods were there then?

Mr. PAINE. There might be as many as four.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were there ever any more than that?

Mr. PAINE. I don't believe so. These were normally up on the shelf

above the bench, and for some reason, they recently, I had to take them

down, or something like that.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember seeing them shortly before November 22 at

any time?

Mr. PAINE. They never particularly impressed themselves on my

recollection.

Mr. LIEBELER. Those are all the questions I have.

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