Mr. PAINE. Yes; that is a good----

Mr. LIEBELER. It is similar?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. This blanket we have here is sewn around the edges with

brown thread, is it not?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Around some of the edges at any rate?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall seeing anything like that on the blanket

that was in the garage?

Mr. PAINE. No; I don't know, but I didn't look at it that closely.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, a part of that exhibit is a piece of string. When

I unfolded the blanket, Commission Exhibit 140, a piece of string was

found to be present, and I would like to ask the reporter to mark it as

the next exhibit on this deposition.

(The string referred to was marked Michael Paine Exhibit No. 2 for

identification.)

Mr. LIEBELER. I ask you, Mr. Paine, whether that piece of string which

has been marked as Exhibit 2 on this deposition is similar to or

different from the string that was used to tie this package up when you

saw it in the garage, if you remember?

Mr. PAINE. I don't remember exactly. I think this is a very good

candidate again. I remember thinking it was wrapped in a twine, by

which I meant it was not wrapped in a cotton, tight wound expensive

cotton, string. I didn't think it was wrapped, didn't have in mind the

manila type or sisal type. This is the right strength. I can't actually

remember whether it was or not.

Mr. LIEBELER. It appears to be similar?

Mr. PAINE. That is about as good as could come to my memory.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was there just one string wrapped on the blanket?

Mr. PAINE. No; I think it was wrapped at both ends.

Mr. LIEBELER. With two strings?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well now this blanket has a pin in one end. I call your

attention to that, the blanket which is Commission Exhibit 140. Did you

notice that pin?

Mr. PAINE. No; I don't think so.

Mr. LIEBELER. Present in the blanket at the time it was in your garage?

Mr. PAINE. No; I don't think I do.

Mr. LIEBELER. I am going to lay the blanket out here on the conference

table, and I am going to produce Commission Exhibit 139 which is the

rifle that was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building on

November 22, 1963, and I will ask you if you can construct out of these

materials that we have here this rifle, and the blanket and the string

something that resembles or duplicates the package that you saw in your

garage?

Mr. PAINE. It seemed to me this end up here was not as bulky as the

whole----

Mr. REDLICH. By "this end" what do you mean?

Mr. PAINE. "A", I have drawn as "A", was not as bulky as if I had

wrapped it and pulled the blanket over.

Mr. LIEBELER. You are having difficulty in making it as small as when

you remember it in the garage?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. We want you just to continue to work with it and take

your time because we want you to be able to satisfy yourself to the

fullest extent possible, on this question, one way or the other.

Mr. PAINE. It is getting fairly close but I don't know what he did

with this end. This way of wrapping it seems to combine the functions.

I also had a notion that it was somehow folded over but it seems too

thick to do it that way.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, you have wrapped the rifle in the blanket. I will

ask you if this appears to be, this wrapped package appears to be

similar to the one you saw in your garage?

Mr. PAINE. I should say this end was a little bit too big here and it

is not quite big enough here.

Mr. LIEBELER. When you say this end, you are referring to the end

marked "B" on the drawing, which in the package is the end, the butt

end of the rifle, isn't that right?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. You say that end is too thick.

Mr. PAINE. As I have it wrapped.

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; and you say in the center of the package in which we

have the rifle wrapped you say that is not thick enough. But by thick

enough do you mean the width or the actual thickness of the package?

Mr. PAINE. I thought of the package pretty much as all of the same

thickness, calling the width from type--calling the rifle and the scope

of the rifle the width.

Mr. LIEBELER. The width?

Mr. PAINE. The width across the bolt, the direction of the bolt as the

thickness. So I thought of it as a more or less constant thickness of

the package and not quite so--I would have to wrap it in some manner to

move some of this bulk up into here, but I don't want to do it so much

that I can't grab that feel of pipe.

That feels, it is quite a lot like it and there could almost have been

two pipes there.

Mr. LIEBELER. When you say it is quite a lot like it you grasped the

"A" end of the rifle or the muzzle of the rifle, is that correct?

Mr. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Are we saying now that its thickness is not as you

remember the package in your garage or the same width?

Mr. PAINE. Well, most likely this end down here is perhaps, the butt

end of the rifle.

Mr. LIEBELER. The "B" end?

Mr. PAINE. As I have it wrapped is a little bit too full.

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