Mr. JENNER. That if there was need for additional money----

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. More money, yes, he had some funds to help them.

Mr. JENNER. Now, the next paragraph of this letter reads: "Some time

last fall we heard that Oswald had beaten his wife cruelly, so we drove

to their miserable place and forcibly took Marina and the child away

from the character." You have told us about that incident, have you?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Then it reads: "Then he threatened me and my wife, but I

did not take him seriously." You have told us about that?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. "Marina stayed with the family of some childless Russian

refugees for awhile, keeping her baby, but finally decided to return to

her husband." Is that correct?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. You recall that?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Was that the Mellers?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That was the Mellers, and she went back within a

week or two instead of as she promised to be apart for 2 or 3 months.

We were really furious. We wasted the whole day, so much aggravation,

go through all that trying to do something for them and then she

dropped the whole thing. So why bother, you know? So from then on we

were really disgusted. After all, you can waste so much time, and if

we don't see anything, response, you know we are just tired of it. Let

them live their own rights. Let them battle their own battles.

Mr. JENNER. Did the occasion arise then shortly thereafter in which

Marina left Lee and went with some others?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't even remember that.

Mr. JENNER. You don't?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. You do recall a time when she was with Mrs. Ford?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't recall it. I think she lived with them,

too. I think so, but I don't know exactly when and how, because we

hardly ever saw them from then on. Just occasionally all of a sudden

I'd get sorry and I'd go and buy a cake, you know, a cheesecake or

something and we'd just drive by and drop it and just talk with them a

few minutes and leave. That is about the only things we had, the only

connection we had.

Mr. JENNER. The next paragraph: "It is really a shame that such crimes

occur in our times and in our country. But there is so much jealousy

for success and the late President was successful in so many domains

and there is so much desire for publicity on the part of all shady

characters that assassinations are bound to occur." Did your husband

discuss that sentence with you?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, we didn't discuss any sentences of this

letter.

Mr. JENNER. But you read the letter before it was mailed?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I read the letter.

The only thing I can say what he meant by it is that it seems to be

that everything went wrong for Lee, starting with his childhood, you

know, and no matter what he did it was always a failure. So anything

that seems to be President Kennedy touched was turning into gold, he

was so successful in his marriage. You know he was such a wonderful

President and he had health and public office, everything, you know, so

it could be that in the bottom of Lee's heart was some antagonism, you

know.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have that impression of the man?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, never at all.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have any impression that he was envious at any time?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, and in fact that is what doesn't make

any sense, because I don't think he ever said anything against, and

whatever the President was doing, Kennedy was doing, Lee was completely

exactly with the same ideas, exactly. If he would shoot Walker that

would be understandable, even if he would be shooting at Connally that

is understandable, too. We learned that Connally refused him honorable

discharge, so he had a grudge against Connally, but President Kennedy,

no.

Mr. JENNER. Please, did you know anything about the discharge incident?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. We read it in the papers after.

Mr. JENNER. I want to keep separated here what you learned about

afterwards.

Governor Connally was never mentioned at any time?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Never.

Mr. JENNER. That you had any contact with the Oswalds?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. Was his discharge from the Marines, was that subject ever

mentioned?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. Was his boyhood ever mentioned?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. His boyhood?

Mr. JENNER. Boyhood.

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. Never, never.

Mr. JENNER. Did he say anything that he had lived in poverty or hadn't

lived in poverty, that he had difficulty all his life?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, no; we never discussed that. I don't

remember discussing that.

Mr. JENNER. Was there any mention of his Marine record, his record in

the service, and what he had done?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. I don't recall any conversation.

Mr. JENNER. So this paragraph that I have read, that is about it being

a shame that crimes occur and there is so much jealousy for success,

that was rationalization afterwards?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Absolutely.

Mr. JENNER. Then your husband says in this letter: "Better precautions

should have been taken."

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Right. I agree.

Mr. JENNER. Did you discuss that with your husband?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I agree. I didn't discuss that with him, but

better precautions should be taken, especially when we learned later on

that Adlai Stevenson was treated very poorly in Dallas, so they should

have known that there were antagonism towards the Democrats, and they

had no right really to permit the President to ride like that without

that bubble after such demonstrations against Stevenson.

Mr. JENNER. So this remark in the letter is based on that?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. On that, exactly.

Mr. JENNER. That is as far as you are concerned?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. As far as we are concerned, yes.

Mr. JENNER. Your husband may have had something else in mind?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know. I don't think so, but he may. Did

he mention to you that we have this Birch Society in Texas, the right

wing, extreme right wing?

Mr. JENNER. You go ahead if you have anything to say about that.

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know if he mentioned it. He probably

did. That there is a Democrat Party split, you know. The Republicans

are one but the Democrats are two. A lot of Democrats didn't like

what Kennedy was doing, especially they didn't like this approach to

segregation, you know, and many other things. They thought he was too

forward, too fast. Lots of people thought he was too young, you know.

And so there was a lot of----

Mr. JENNER. Animosity?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Disturbances. Not exactly animosity, but they

didn't exactly appreciate what Kennedy was doing and they were still

Democrats. That is really terrible. That Birch Society is a horrible

thing. It is almost like Ku Klux Klan.

Mr. JENNER. He also says on the second page of his letter: "I do hope

that Marina and her children (I understand she has two now) will not

suffer too badly throughout their lives and that the stigma will not

affect the innocent children. Somehow, I still have a lingering doubt,

notwithstanding all the evidence, of Oswald's guilt." Now, that last

sentence, did your husband discuss that with you?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. We talk about it very often.

Mr. JENNER. Did you talk about it at the time he wrote this letter?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. He wrote the letter, I wasn't there. In

fact, I saw the letter accidentally because I just stopped by his

office for something and he said, "I just finished a letter. Please

mail it for me," or something like that, you know. Otherwise, maybe I

wouldn't even see the letter.

Mr. JENNER. In any event, he did not discuss it with you before he

prepared the letter?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; not at all. In fact I did never know he was

going to write the letter. I don't think he told me anything. He just

wrote the letter.

Mr. JENNER. Did you take Marina to the dental clinic or laboratory more

than once?

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think I took her twice there, I believe.

They couldn't do it all at once. It was too much. One thing impressed

me while we were in the clinic. You know she sort of perked up. It

gave her a feeling that she was like back. She liked the uniform, you

know. She said how it would be wonderful if she could work, also, be

a pharmacist again and do something. That is when I told her learn

English and you can do anything. The sky is the limit.

Did my husband mention to you about a strange thing about the

Voshinins? It could be something or could be nothing, you see. It could

be excused or maybe something they knew about Oswald. They refused to

meet him. They refused to meet them, and it came to a point, you know I

am pretty persistent when I want something and I was after her, I said,

"For God sakes, you are always carrying on with every little Russian

and this and that." I am not interested, but she is. "How come you

still didn't meet the Oswalds?"

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