Mr. MAMANTOV. My wife was present.
Mr. JENNER. When your mother-in-law made that statement in your
presence?
Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes; that's correct.
Mr. JENNER. But Marina was not present at that time?
Mr. MAMANTOV. No, no; our family haven't seen Marina in our lives.
Mother-in-law never have seen Marina--was except at a distance at Sears
store, except that time.
Mr. JENNER. Your information is that there never was any direct contact
between your mother-in-law and Marina except on the telephone?
Mr. MAMANTOV. On telephone.
Mr. JENNER. And, was that by way of the telephone?
Mr. MAMANTOV. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. And you were not present, in the presence of your
mother-in-law, when your mother-in-law had that conversation with
Marina?
Mr. MAMANTOV. No, sir; I was at work. You see, she lived--if I can take
your time, I can tell you how it happened, if it is important I can. I
don't want to take your time.
Mr. JENNER. I want to avoid hearsay, and that's why I am going a little
carefully at this moment because, on this trip we plan to talk with
your mother-in-law and take her testimony directly, just not hearsay.
Mr. MAMANTOV. That's what I thought, but the reason she talked was
because Marina was at Paine's house and Paine went to San Antonio and
asked my mother-in-law to check on Marina because Marina was pregnant
at that time--you see the connection?
Mr. JENNER. No; to check on Marina, that she had any suspicion of her?
Mr. MAMANTOV. No, no; but in case she needs help, but just in the
way of help, and this way the whole conversation came up. Now, my
mother-in-law--I asked Mr. Peterson who called me on Friday if my
mother-in-law would be called or is called, I will come with her
because she needs a translator.
Mr. JENNER. You may bring her.
Mr. MAMANTOV. If I may bring her with me because everything she knows
we know in the family, and she needs a translator, and I translated for
her when she was questioned by FBI. She doesn't speak enough English to
answer your questions.
Mr. JENNER. Oh, is that so?
Mr. MAMANTOV. She will understand what you are talking about but--as
far as that--she is 75, and an elderly lady and she can be quite
nervous by being by herself and so on.
Mr. JENNER. All right, I will attempt my best to put her at ease, which
I have tried to do with you.
Mr. MAMANTOV. Oh, I am at ease as much as I can be. I'm trying to be,
because the reasons I hesitate to say--"Yes, I remember." I don't
remember in some cases, or maybe I remember, like when I translated
with Mr. Martin over here, because in my mind it is very hard to
separate right now without going back and reading the report.
Mr. JENNER. Are you acquainted with a couple, Igor and Natalie Voshinin?
Mr. MAMANTOV. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. They are friends of yours?
Mr. MAMANTOV. That's correct; they are also friends of the De
Mohrenschildts.
Mr. JENNER. And have you had conversations with the Voshinins with
respect to Mr. De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes; and on quite a few occasions.
Mr. JENNER. During any of those conversations was any reference made to
a trip that De Mohrenschildt made or might have made to Mexico City,
Mexico?
Mr. MAMANTOV. That's right.
Mr. JENNER. When was that trip supposed to have taken place?
Mr. MAMANTOV. I don't remember if it was in 1958 or 1959. I don't know.
Mrs. Voshinin can tell you exactly the time.
Mr. JENNER. All right, we intend to interrogate them as well. We will
leave it to them.
Mr. MAMANTOV. Right, but I heard from her, I mean, her statement to
us was that De Mohrenschildt went to Mexico and met with the Soviet
representatives and Mikoyan----
Mr. JENNER. That's spelled M-i-k-o-y-a-n [spelling]?
Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes--who was visiting at that time in Mexico. This,
actually, if you will let me elaborate a little bit more on this--this
mainly was my opinion of his politics, I mean, I had suspicioned, but
this was actually what led me to believe or doubt his loyalty.
Mr. JENNER. Now, you are speaking of De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes, sir; De Mohrenschildt.
Mr. JENNER. Tell us your contacts with De Mohrenschildt; do they extend
beyond what you have stated that he participated in the effort to
organize the Eastern Orthodox Church?
Mr. MAMANTOV. No, no; he did not participate.
Mr. JENNER. He did not?
Mr. MAMANTOV. He did not--he never was interested in church life, but
I met him through that group, and Mr. Bouhe, who are the most active
participants in organizing the church.
Mr. JENNER. Would you please tell us what other Russian emigres of this
group in Dallas participated in the effort to organize the church about
which you have testified--yourself, Bouhe----
Mr. MAMANTOV. No; I joined. This was done already by other people. We
came in 1955--this already was going for a couple of years.
Mr. JENNER. Who are reasonably regular attendants or at least persons
interested?