Mr. JENNER. What did he say--when you said, "Why didn't you shoot him?"

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He just smiled and smiled with that understanding

smile, you see, as if I were taking away from his achievement.

Mr. JENNER. Was he a man of extraordinary dress or attire?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Anything but ordinary in attire.

Mr. JENNER. He was not only provocative in his habits, but provocative

in his attire in the sense of nonconforming?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He is--he is absolutely nonconformist--that's the best

definition I can give you.

Mr. JENNER. Does he speak Russian?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Oh, yes; he speaks Russian quite well with a

by-the-Baltic German accent.

Mr. JENNER. Does his wife Jeanne speak Russian?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Does she have any peculiarity of accent?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, I say her's would be Polish, but you know, it

is very hard to say. I don't think she was born in Russia, I think

she was born in France or somewhere, or maybe China, but George's was

definitely, because he was born in Russia. Now, to me George--now this

is again my idea----

Mr. JENNER. We are trying to get a background on him and we want your

idea.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I don't believe that George is a Communist, because I

don't think that the Communists would stand for the behavior of George

in the United States. I mean, that is the only thing that I can give

him credit for. To them it is a religion. You see, communism is a

religion to them and they lead, as we should, I understand they lead

the Spartan life, I mean, they are supposed to, but George led anything

but the Spartan life in this country.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have some business relations with him?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I had some small stock deals with him, oil deals when

he would drill a well and I would buy a certain portion of the deal,

maybe one-sixteenth or something like that. He had one dry hole I can

remember and one well that came in very small and nothing to brag about

and he tried to get me to go with him in business with him in Haiti.

Mr. JENNER. To whom?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. To the banker--the banker--Commercial de Haiti. You

can read that and pick up anything you want here and tell me what you

want [referring to deponent's file]. He writes all the time--he was

trying to get a $100,000 corporation set up here to do business with

Duvalier, the head of the Haitian Government in the making of hemp and

they were giving him concessions and lots of acreage which you could

pick up for drilling and everything else, and he was trying to get

people to come here and subscribe to stock but he didn't do anything. I

believe that I have reported that incident and then there are lots of

Russians here and some others told me about that trip of George's.

Mr. JENNER. Down through Mexico?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Down through Mexico, and I believe I called the FBI

and told them. I said, "I don't know whether it means anything or

nothing."

Mr. JENNER. Who is Mr. John De Menil?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Mr. John De Menil is a very close friend of mine.

He is the financial head of Schlumberger Co. and when I wouldn't go

with George in the deal, he asked me to give him any suggestion as

to who may be interested, so I suggested John De Menil because the

Schlumberger Co. is a worldwide organization and they deal with every

country in the world--you know what I am trying to say?

Mr. DAVIS. Yes; I do. I am familiar with the name Schlumberger.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. And that he might be interested in going in business

in Haiti, and at my suggestion he called him and went to see him and

nothing came out of it because John De Menil finally turned him down

after the investigation.

Now, I am very sorry that in the past years I have had some

correspondence with George but I didn't keep it, but then when things

began to pop up and his name appeared in so many different things, I

thought I better keep a file on him.

Mr. JENNER. Apparently this Haitian venture was in gestation or in the

works as far back as 1962, is that what you understand?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; you know, he was consultant to the Yugoslav

Government?

Mr. JENNER. He was a consultant to the Yugoslavian Government?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He was a consultant to the Yugoslavian Government.

In fact, he was sent to Yugoslavian Government with the blessing of

our Government, maybe--I don't know under what protocol that we were

helping the Yugoslavians, and he went over there but peculiarly, in

order to receive the appointment he had to have recommendations of some

man known in the industry, and he didn't come to me--I can say this--I

don't brag, but if he came to me that would have meant something to him

because I was with the Government on a couple or two or three times,

but instead of that he goes to Jake Hamon, a close friend of mine, and

asked him for a recommendation on that job. Jake said he would not give

him a recommendation unless he consults me. That surprised me that he

wouldn't ask me right off the bat, but he went around about way. What

could I do? Of course I said, technically on the job he is perfectly

all right, I mean, he is a good engineer--good petroleum engineer.

Mr. JENNER. And that's your opinion of him?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Oh, yes, without any question. You know, that field

is quite a field--that you have to be supplied with a knowledge of

underground structures and movement of the oil, and he had a good job,

and as far as I know he quit the job--he was not fired.

Mr. JENNER. Are you acquainted with his reputation in this community

for truth and veracity?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, I'll say there is no other way around this--I

don't think his reputation is that of a truthful person.

Mr. JENNER. His reputation in that respect is poor or bad?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Bad.

Mr. JENNER. Bad, and his reputation in the community as a man of

morals, character, and integrity--is that bad or good?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Bad.

Mr. JENNER. And his reputation in the community as a man of capability

in the profession which he pursues?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Good.

Mr. JENNER. For example--as a petroleum geologist?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No; petroleum engineer--good. His knowledge of

languages is good. In fact, he taught at the University of Texas. I

believe he taught French or Spanish after he went to school there,

where my daughter went, one of my daughters, and my son-in-law also

went there at the same time.

Mr. JENNER. What is his reputation in the community as being a loyal

American? If he has a reputation?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I don't think he has any reputation of that type. Now,

remember there are two--he is in a different social circle now, you

see, than he was before with his second wife.

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. In fact, if I'm not mistaken how he got to the Oswalds

was through the Clarks. You see, the Clarks of Fort Worth were his

friends.

Mr. JENNER. From a prior social circle?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No; he met them--I don't know where he met them,

but they were not in the so-called Dallas social circle that he was

originally in with his wife because of her being a Sharples.

Mr. JENNER. Do you know of any business interests of De Mohrenschildt

in Houston?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. In Houston?

Mr. JENNER. Yes; in the last 5 years, let's say?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; he told me that he was going to see Herman and

George Brown--they are brothers.

Mr. JENNER. What business are they in?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, again, don't put this down.

Mr. JENNER. Off the record.

(Discussion between Messrs. Jenner and Davis and the witness, Mr.

Raigorodsky, off the record.)

Mr. JENNER. Now; I want this on the record.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. George has been friends with many, many influential

people in many cities.

Mr. DAVIS. In all of them, I imagine.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Is he a namedropper--is he a man who seeks to be friends of

important people?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No--he was my friend, I was his friend--he was Jake

Hamon's friend and Jake Hamon was his friend.

Mr. DAVIS. How often did De Mohrenschildt see him?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Jake?

Mr. DAVIS. No; how often did George De Mohrenschildt see Herman and

George Brown?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I don't know, but he has been going to Houston quite

often. In fact, he told me that everything is settled--he is going to

deal with them in that Haiti situation, and then Herman died.

Mr. JENNER. Do you know of any particular business that he had in

Houston?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No.

Mr. JENNER. What information do you have regarding his interests or

business in Houston--I take it that it came from his making statements

to you?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's right, except in his dealing with John De

Menil, in which John De Menil sent me the copies of the letters--you

see, there is a copy from John De Menil.

Mr. JENNER. Where do you have information as to whether he was required

to or did make regular trips, a trip every 4 or 5 weeks, to Houston?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He--I can't answer that.

Mr. JENNER. He appears to have become acquainted with a gentleman in

Houston by the name of Andre Jitkoff?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; sure.

Mr. JENNER. He is a professor at Rice Institute?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's right--he's head of the Russian church in

Houston.

Mr. JENNER. He is the head of the Russian church in Houston?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; that's right--also his daughter is my--I'm a

godfather to Mr. Jitkoff's daughter.

Mr. JENNER. Well, give me in a thumbnail sketch, something about Mr.

Jitkoff's background.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Mr. Jitkoff--he is of the "Russian Old Guard," as you

call it.

Mr. JENNER. How old a man is he, by the way, your best guess?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I would say around 60 now, no, maybe he is

younger--let's see, his daughter--he probably is closer--is 50 some odd

years--55.

Mr. JENNER. He is closer to 50 than to 60?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I believe so.

Mr. JENNER. Is he somewhere between 50 and 60?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's right. The first I knew of Jitkoff, he was a

tennis pro at the River Oaks Country Club.

Mr. JENNER. Where--Dallas or Houston?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. In Houston; and he retired several years ago and he is

teaching Russian.

Mr. JENNER. Was De Mohrenschildt an athletic man?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Very much so.

Mr. JENNER. Is he interested in tennis?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; very much so.

Mr. JENNER. What about Mrs. De Mohrenschildt? Is she an athletically

inclined person?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Also interested in tennis?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's right.

Mr. JENNER. And does each of them have an interest in any other sport

to the extent of engaging in the sport itself?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. As far as I know--swimming.

Mr. JENNER. Ice skating?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I don't remember anything about that, but they always

played tennis, you know, they lived next door to me, you see, they

played tennis all the time.

Mr. JENNER. Did either of them ever live in the Stoneleigh Hotel?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. At the Maple Terrace. You see, it is owned by the same

people--the Stoneleigh, Maple, and now there's another Terrace--the

Tower Terrace.

Mr. JENNER. Are these buildings all in proximity one with the other?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Oh, yes; and they are owned by the same people, by the

Leo Corrigan's son-in-law, Jordan.

Mr. JENNER. In addition to being an expansive person, is De

Mohrenschildt a generous man?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; I would say he is a generous man.

Mr. JENNER. Is he the type of person who would seek, out of the

goodness of his heart, to help people like the Oswalds or persons in

like circumstances?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I would say he will do it because he wants to show

what a grand person he is. You see, that would be my quick judgment. It

would be different from the other Russians, you see, because they were

appalled at the fact that the baby didn't have milk.

Mr. JENNER. That is, De Mohrenschildt might not have been sincere,

while the other members who were seeking to assist were genuine and

sincere about it?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Correct.

Mr. JENNER. De Mohrenschildt might be trying to put on a show, for

example?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Exactly.

Mr. JENNER. And was he a man given to extreme statements in public?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes. Even though in a joking way. Maybe, like, at a

big party--I'll never forget that, you see. It was for the first time I

met him. It was at the Brook Hollow Golf Club before it burned down, at

a big party and you know. I had some friends of mine, the Jake Hamons

and the others, and suddenly George, you know, he always managed to do

it, he always said, "There's a spy in the crowd." You know, he would

say, "There's a spy in the crowd," just for the fun of it or whatever

it is. So, we all started to say, "There's a spy in the crowd," and

somebody asked me, "Are you the spy?" And I said, "Maybe," but that's

the way he always did--just create some kind of maybe innocent unrest,

but we didn't know how much truth there was to it.

Mr. JENNER. And would you give us the reason for that view?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Because he's liable to do anything.

Mr. JENNER. Liable to do anything because he is eccentric. He has no

control over himself, really?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's what it is--because of his character.

Mr. JENNER. Would you have the impression that De Mohrenschildt is the

type of person that might seek to induce others to do something he

might hesitate to do himself?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No; I don't think so.

Mr. JENNER. What is your opinion as to the legitimacy of the business

in which he is engaged in Haiti?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, from the point of view of the U.S. Government,

it is a legitimate business to do business up until now with Haiti. I

think the other day--it was the first time that we granted them a loan

or aid, but we wouldn't deal with Duvalier, but George moved there--he

is there, and moved his furniture.

Mr. JENNER. That's so--in the spring of 1963?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And you have had correspondence with him since?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Oh, yes.

Mr. JENNER. You have given me a file and it is entitled "George De

Mohrenschildt". I have been browsing through it. It seems to relate

almost exclusively to the Haitian venture, and I don't see anything

else in it.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Here is a letter of June 30 that must have been left

here.

Mr. JENNER. Is this June 30, 1963, or 1962?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. It must be 1963--yes, it is 1963.

Mr. JENNER. If this was June of 1963, this was before the events of

November 22--I gather from your first sentence of this letter that he

had been in Dallas?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. After this--that's right; I see it is 1963, after this

fiasco here, then he came back to Dallas--which I was called on.

Mr. JENNER. Now, the "fiasco here in Dallas" I take it from your

testimony, was the suit brought by De Mohrenschildt against his wife

Didi, and that suit was brought in Philadelphia and it had to do with

the disposition of a corpus residue of a trust established for George's

son.

As I recall, friends of the Sharples family appealed to you, or maybe

sued directly, to see what you could do to help out?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No; friends of her family.

Mr. JENNER. Friends of her family?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. In fact, Mrs. Crespi, appealed to me to see what I can

do.

Mr. JENNER. Who is Mrs. Crespi?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Mrs. Pio Crespi is a very well known person here. Her

husband is retired; he has a company called Crespi & Co.--a cotton

exchange brokerage. She is a close friend of the Sharples family.

Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Crespi?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. What do you understand Mr. De Mohrenschildt is doing over

in Haiti?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Over there?

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, he told me that he wants to get in on the ground

floor and he has a connection with the top banker in the country who is

the Duvalier banker, and that way he will be able to pickup some "juicy

plums" in Haiti. That's exactly what he told me. That's why he wanted

to organize the corporation here, you see, to go to Haiti and build

plants and help them to develop the industry and reap the profits. You

see, it so happened that I believe it is very hard to be a specialist

in one line, and almost impossible in two, and my specialty is oil and

all my business is in oil. If he came with an oil deal, I might be

interested.

Mr. JENNER. Would you say in describing this man, that he has a sort of

an adolescence personality, a fellow who has really never grown up?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. It isn't a sort of--he is adolescent.

Mr. JENNER. He is adolescent?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. George will never grow old.

Mr. JENNER. But will he grow up; is he lacking in maturity?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He always did.

Mr. JENNER. And things that amuse him are the sort of things that

amused us, let's say, when we were adolescent--in our teens?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. When we were 16--that's right--any kind of pranks.

Mr. JENNER. He is a prankster?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Oh, yes, sir. And he does it so engagingly. I mean,

his laugh is a genuine laugh and if you ever heard his laugh--he enjoys

it. You see, it is a genuine laugh and of course that is very, very

effective, you know, as far as other people are concerned.

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