Mr. JENNER. What are her views with respect to----

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Didi De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. JENNER. That's the second wife?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. It's Didi De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. JENNER. She is the Sharples girl?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The Sharples girl.

Mr. JENNER. And did it come to your attention that his present wife was

either born in China or went at a very early age, an infant age--came

to China?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. I don't know anything about her except I know that

she is part Russian, French--something else, but you see, she never

expounded her views to me about her beliefs, but she did to lots of

Americans, you see, and they would ask me why? What does it mean? You

know, for some reason or other--and I would like this off the record.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

(At this point statement by the witness, Mr. Raigorodsky, to Counsel

Jenner off the record.)

Mr. JENNER. What is the reaction of the Russian community in Dallas to

the De Mohrenschildts, with particular reference to their political

views?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, the Russian community here, it was, you

say--"And political views?"

Mr. JENNER. The views separately of George De Mohrenschildt, and then

his wife, Jean.

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, would you believe me if I tell you that

after all this time, I do not know the political views of George De

Mohrenschildt?

Mr. JENNER. Tell us about him, what kind of a person is he? He seems

from some of our information to be reckless, to make nonsense at times,

he appears to have traveled extensively in Europe, Mexico, Haiti, the

Dominican Republic; he is a man who has provoked or seems to seek to

provoke others into argument by making outlandish statements. We would

like to know something from you as a--if I may use the expression but

in a sense of compliment--a member of the "Old Guard," and you have had

some contact with this man for 17 years now--what is he or what makes

him tick?

He had contact with the Oswalds, we haven't yet talked with him, and

we are seeking to get all the information we can about this man, his

personality, his habits, his business interests, his contacts with

you--political views even if they are stated in supposed jest, and the

political views of his wife, Jeanne, who is tolerant? Is he just a

character?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. That's a question. You see, talking about, and

believe me, that's the only time--first of all, I've got George De

Mohrenschildt to become a member of the Petroleum Club.

Mr. JENNER. What is the Petroleum Club?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. It is the Petroleum Club, Dallas Petroleum Club.

Mr. JENNER. Did you seek to do it for him?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No.

Mr. JENNER. He was a man of grace at the club?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Very much so a man of grace, a man of breeding.

Mr. JENNER. And did he begin to move in a different social circle?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. An entirely different social circle.

Mr. JENNER. And was that a social circle of Russian emigre, a certain

set of Russian emigre?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No, no, that's the thing which both churches have

against them. He belonged to the church, but he never sent in a

donation.

Mr. JENNER. He belonged to the church in the sense that when he felt

like coming, he came, but he never supported the church financially?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No, that's right, from that point. Politically he

never, and I can say honestly, not one time did he ever discuss with me

any political questions or give me his views except one time when he

went to take the trip--the walking trip.

Mr. JENNER. From the border of the United States and the Mexican border

down to Panama?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Right.

Mr. JENNER. Tell us the incident that you are about to relate?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Except one time, you see, except one time--he was

elated because he met Mikoyan in Mexico.

Mr. JENNER. And did he report this to you?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. You know--just trying to show what--he always brags

about things--he was bragging about many things.

Mr. JENNER. Was he given to overstatements?

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Very much so, and he brags about the fact that he

met Mr. Mikoyan, and this is not for publication, and I asked him why

didn't he shoot this b----d?

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