RELIGION, PROHIBITION, AND GEN. GRANT.

_Question_. What do you think of prohibition, and what do you

think of its success in this State?

_Answer_. Few people understand the restraining influence of

liberty. Moderation walks hand in hand with freedom. I do not

mean the freedom springing from the sudden rupture of restraint.

That kind of freedom usually rushes to extremes.

People must be educated to take care of themselves, and this

education must commence in infancy. Self-restraint is the only

kind that can always be depended upon. Of course intemperance is

a great evil. It causes immense suffering--clothes wives and

children in rags, and is accountable for many crimes, particularly

those of violence. Laws to be of value must be honestly enforced.

Laws that sleep had better be dead. Laws to be enforced must be

honestly approved of and believed in by a large majority of the

people. Unpopular laws make hypocrites, perjurers and official

shirkers of duty. And if to the violation of such laws severe

penalties attach, they are rarely enforced. Laws that create

artificial crimes are the hardest to carry into effect. You can

never convince a majority of people that it is as bad to import

goods without paying the legal duty as to commit larceny. Neither

can you convince a majority of people that it is a crime or sin,

or even a mistake, to drink a glass of wine or beer. Thousands and

thousands of people in this State honestly believe that prohibition

is an interference with their natural rights, and they feel justified

in resorting to almost any means to defeat the law.

In this way people become somewhat demoralized. It is unfortunate

to pass laws that remain unenforced on account of their unpopularity.

People who would on most subjects swear to the truth do not hesitate

to testify falsely on a prohibition trial. In addition to this,

every known device is resorted to, to sell in spite of the law,

and when some want to sell and a great many want to buy, considerable

business will be done, while there are fewer saloons and less liquor

sold in them. The liquor is poorer and the price is higher. The

consumer has to pay for the extra risk. More liquor finds its way

to homes, more men buy by the bottle and gallon. In old times

nearly everybody kept a little rum or whiskey on the sideboard.

The great Washingtonian temperance movement drove liquor out of

the home and increased the taverns and saloons. Now we are driving

liquor back to the homes. In my opinion there is a vast difference

between distilled spirits and the lighter drinks, such as wine and

beer. Wine is a fireside and whiskey a conflagration. These

lighter drinks are not unhealthful and do not, as I believe, create

a craving for stronger beverages. You will, I think, find it almost

impossible to enforce the present law against wine and beer. I

was told yesterday that there are some sixty places in Cedar Rapids

where whiskey is sold. It takes about as much ceremony to get a

drink as it does to join the Masons, but they seem to like the

ceremony. People seem to take delight in outwitting the State when

it does not involve the commission of any natural offence, and when

about to be caught, may not hesitate to swear falsely to the extent

of "don't remember," or "can't say positively," or "can't swear

whether it was whiskey or not."

One great trouble in Iowa is that the politicians, or many of them

who openly advocate prohibition, are really opposed to it. They

want to keep the German vote, and they do not want to lose native

Republicans. They feel a "divided duty" to ride both horses. This

causes the contrast between their conversation and their speeches.

A few years ago I took dinner with a gentleman who had been elected

Governor of one of our States on the Prohibition ticket. We had

four kinds of wine during the meal, and a pony of brandy at the

end. Prohibition will never be a success until it prohibits the

Prohibitionists. And yet I most sincerely hope and believe that

the time will come when drunkenness shall have perished from the

earth. Let us cultivate the love of home. Let husbands and wives

and children be companions. Let them seek amusements together.

If it is a good place for father to go, it is a good place for

mother and the children. I believe that a home can be made more

attractive than a saloon. Let the boys and girls amuse themselves

at home--play games, study music, read interesting books, and let

the parents be their playfellows. The best temperance lecture, in

the fewest words, you will find in Victor Hugo's great novel "Les

Miserables." The grave digger is asked to take a drink. He refuses

and gives this reason: "The hunger of my family is the enemy of

my thirst."

_Question_. Many people wonder why you are out of politics. Will

you give your reasons?

_Answer_. A few years ago great questions had to be settled. The

life of the nation was at stake. Later the liberty of millions of

slaves depended upon the action of the Government. Afterward

reconstruction and the rights of citizens pressed themselves upon

the people for solution. And last, the preservation of national

honor and credit. These questions did not enter into the last

campaign. They had all been settled, and properly settled, with

the one exception of the duty of the nation to protect the colored

citizens. The Supreme Court settled that, at least for a time,

and settled it wrong. But the Republican party submitted to the

civil rights decision, and so, as between the great parties, that

question did not arise. This left only two questions--protection

and office. But as a matter of fact, all Republicans were not for

our present system of protection, and all Democrats were not against

it. On that question each party was and is divided. On the other

question--office--both parties were and are in perfect harmony.

Nothing remains now for the Democrats to do except to give a

"working" definition of "offensive partisanship."

_Question_. Do you think that the American people are seeking

after truth, or do they want to be amused?

_Answer_. We have all kinds. Thousands are earnestly seeking for

the truth. They are looking over the old creeds, they are studying

the Bible for themselves, they have the candor born of courage,

they are depending upon themselves instead of on the clergy. They

have found out that the clergy do not know; that their sources of

information are not reliable; that, like the politicians, many

ministers preach one way and talk another. The doctrine of eternal

pain has driven millions from the church. People with good hearts

cannot get consolation out of that cruel lie. The ministers

themselves are getting ashamed to call that doctrine "the tidings

of great joy." The American people are a serious people. They

want to know the truth. They fell that whatever the truth may be

they have the courage to hear it. The American people also have

a sense of humor. They like to see old absurdities punctured and

solemn stupidity held up to laughter. They are, on the average,

the most intelligent people on the earth. They can see the point.

Their wit is sharp, quick and logical. Nothing amuses them more

that to see the mask pulled from the face of sham. The average

American is generous, intelligent, level-headed, manly, and good-

natured.

_Question_. What, in your judgment, is the source of the greatest

trouble among men?

_Answer_. Superstition. That has caused more agony, more tears,

persecution and real misery than all other causes combined. The

other name for superstition is ignorance. When men learn that all

sin is a mistake, that all dishonesty is a blunder, that even

intelligent selfishness will protect the rights of others, there

will be vastly more happiness in this world. Shakespeare says that

"There is no darkness but ignorance." Sometime man will learn that

when he steals from another, he robs himself--that the way to be

happy is to make others so, and that it is far better to assist

his fellow-man than to fast, say prayers, count beads or build

temples to the Unknown. Some people tell us that selfishness is

the only sin, but selfishness grows in the soil of ignorance.

After all, education is the great lever, and the only one capable

of raising mankind. People ignorant of their own rights are ignorant

of the rights of others. Every tyrant is the slave of ignorance.

_Question_. How soon do you think we would have the millennium if

every person attended strictly to his own business?

_Answer_. Now, if every person were intelligent enough to know

his own business--to know just where his rights ended and the rights

of others commenced, and then had the wisdom and honesty to act

accordingly, we should have a very happy world. Most people like

to control the conduct of others. They love to write rules, and

pass laws for the benefit of their neighbors, and the neighbors

are pretty busy at the same business. People, as a rule, think

that they know the business of other people better than they do

their own. A man watching others play checkers or chess always

thinks he sees better moves than the players make. When all people

attend to their own business they will know that a part of their

own business is to increase the happiness of others.

_Question_. What is causing the development of this country?

_Answer_. Education, the free exchange of ideas, inventions by

which the forces of nature become our servants, intellectual

hospitality, a willingness to hear the other side, the richness of

our soil, the extent of our territory, the diversity of climate

and production, our system of government, the free discussion of

political questions, our social freedom, and above all, the fact

that labor is honorable.

_Question_. What is your opinion of the religious tendency of the

people of this country?

_Answer_. Using the word religion in its highest and best sense,

the people are becoming more religious. We are far more religious

--using the word in its best sense--than when we believed in human

slavery, but we are not as orthodox as we were then. We have more

principle and less piety. We care more for the right and less for

the creed. The old orthodox dogmas are mouldy. You will find moss

on their backs. They are only brought out when a new candidate

for the ministry is to be examined. Only a little while ago in

New York a candidate for the Presbyterian pulpit was examined and

the following is a part of the examination:

_Question_. "Do you believe in eternal punishment, as set forth

in the confession of faith?"

_Answer_. (With some hesitation) "Yes, I do."

_Question_. "Have you preached on that subject lately?"

_Answer_. "No. I prepared a sermon on hell, in which I took the

ground that the punishment of the wicked will be endless, and have

it with me."

_Question_. "Did you deliver it?"

_Answer_. "No. I thought that my congregation would not care to

hear it. The doctrine is rather unpopular where I have been

preaching, and I was afraid I might do harm, so I have not delivered

it yet."

_Question_. "But you believe in eternal damnation, do you not?"

_Answer_. "O yes, with all my heart."

He was admitted, and the admission proves the dishonesty of the

examiners and the examined. The new version of the Old and New

Testaments has done much to weaken confidence in the doctrine of

inspiration. It has occurred to a good many that if God took the

pains to inspire men to write the Bible, he ought to have inspired

others to translate it correctly. The general tendency today is

toward science, toward naturalism, toward what is called Infidelity,

but is in fact fidelity. Men are in a transition state, and the

people, on the average, have more real good, sound sense to-day

than ever before. The church is losing its power for evil. The

old chains are wearing out, and new ones are not being made. The

tendency is toward intellectual freedom, and that means the final

destruction of the orthodox bastille.

_Question_. What is your opinion of General Grant as he stands

before the people to-day?

_Answer_. I have always regarded General Grant as the greatest

soldier this continent has produced. He is to-day the most

distinguished son of the Republic. The people have the greatest

confidence in his ability, his patriotism and his integrity. The

financial disaster impoverished General Grant, but he did not stain

the reputation of the grand soldier who led to many victories the

greatest army that ever fought for the liberties of man.

--_Iowa State Register_, May 23, 1885.

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