M. DUBOST: Was this a frequent occurrence?

MME. VAILLANT-COUTURIER: During my stay this was the only case of its

kind within the Revier but the system was also applied at the

Jugendlager, so called because it was a former reform school for German

juvenile delinquents.

Towards the beginning of 1945 Dr. Winkelmann, no longer satisfied with

selections in the Revier, proceeded to make his selections in the

blocks. All the prisoners had to answer roll call in their bare feet and

expose their breasts and legs. All those who were sick, too old, too

thin, or whose legs were swollen with oedema, were set aside and then

sent to this Jugendlager, a quarter of an hour away from the camp at

Ravensbrück. I visited it at the liberation.

In the blocks an order had been circulated to the effect that the old

women and the patients who could no longer work should apply in writing

for admission to the Jugendlager, where they would be far better off,

where they would not have to work, and where there would be no roll

call. We learned about this later through some of the people who worked

at the Jugendlager—the chief of the camp was an Austrian woman, Betty

Wenz, whom I knew from Auschwitz—and from a few of the survivors, one

of whom is Irène Ottelard, a French woman living in Drancy, 17 Rue de la

Liberté, who was repatriated at the same time as myself and whom I had

nursed after the liberation. Through her we discovered the details about

the Jugendlager.

M. DUBOST: Can you tell us, Madame, if you can answer this question?

Were the SS doctors who made the selection acting on their own accord or

were they merely obeying orders?

MME. VAILLANT-COUTURIER: They were acting on orders received, since one

of them, Dr. Lukas, refused to participate in the selections and was

withdrawn from the camp, and Dr. Winkelmann was sent from Berlin to

replace him.

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