CHAPTER IV

MR. GLADSTONE

His Last Utterance--His Fearlessness--His Opinion of Russia and

England--Cardinal Manning's Tribute--Gladstone and the Old

Catholics--The Question of Immortality--Mr. Gladstone's Remarkable

Letter--A Delightful Listener--His Power of Concentration--Hayward and

Gladstone--Their Discussion--Miss Helen Gladstone--We Talk

Gladstone--The Old Lady's Delight--I Miss My Train

Somebody once compared life to an education that can never be

completed--and indeed, the more deeply one studies events and people,

the more emphatically one realises how much must always remain that it

is hopeless to try to understand. Nevertheless, the very contact with

certain characters, even if we cannot always fathom their depths, is

ennobling and edifying, and however much time may have passed since

they left us to go to a better sphere, it is always good to linger over

memories of great men whom we have had the privilege to meet. I hope,

therefore, that I may be allowed to add in this book a few words about

my friendship with Mr. Gladstone.

I have been told that the last word to fall from the lips of the great

statesman several moments before his death, was "Amen." What a fitting

and characteristic ending! The whole life and activity of this grand

old man, indeed, reminds one of nothing {54} so much as of some nobly

worded prayer or confession of faith. All his existence was based upon

his religious ideals and convictions, which he put into practice simply

and naturally in every word and action of his everyday life. Christian

love and charity permeated his activities in a way that is rare indeed

among public men, surrounded as they are by intrigues and rivalries and

difficulties. He was generous, as only so great and noble a character

can be, to the many enemies that surrounded him, supported even by

Queen Victoria herself, whose sympathies were all in favour of

Gladstone's opponent Beaconsfield.

Another trait in Mr. Gladstone's character, that always aroused my

admiration, was the firm, unhesitating manner in which he would

demolish all obstacles and, without looking to right or to left, make

straight for his goal, in the face of opposition, animosity, even

danger, once he had decided that the goal in question was the right

one, the one pointed out by his conscience and his principles. He was

entirely fearless in his opinions and convictions--he knew indeed only

one fear: the fear of God. It seems to me that his courage could only

be compared to his kindness, and I should like, in this connection, to

mention an incident that comes to my mind, and that can surely be no

secret now after so many years. It happened in the year 1884, during

the great political crisis, when one heard on all sides the query:

'Will he return to power?' Everyone knew very well who was meant by

the word "_he_." Just at that time I published my _Russia and

England_, which cost me four years of {55} work and fatigue, and also

some hesitation. Mr. Gladstone called with his wife to express his

sympathetic approval, which he did in the most encouraging terms.

"I will write a review of your book," he said,--to which generous offer

I replied protestingly, to Mrs. Gladstone's surprise and almost

indignation: "No, no!" I exclaimed. "On no account! Not at this

critical moment. Such a step may do you much harm. Besides, in these

emotional times, English people will never read my book at all!"

In answer, Mr. Gladstone struck his hand angrily on the table, "I will

compel them to read it," he said in a determined voice. "Every

Englishman should not only read but _study_ it!"

And truly enough, in spite of my remonstrances, the review was

published in _The Nineteenth Century_, and contained the above

recommendation to Mr. Gladstone's countrymen.

Could anyone be kinder or show greater political courage?

How the events and incidents of those exciting days linger in one's

memory! It is indeed certain that I shall never forget them!

A few days after that glorious St. James's Hall meeting, there was a

great reaction in public opinion. A large section of the Press began

to ridicule Mr. Gladstone, calling him Gladstonoff (English people at

that time, having the scantiest knowledge of things Russian, imagined

that all Russian names ended in _off!_), and even insinuating that he

was an agent in the Russian pay! But although one must admit that his

responsibilities weighed heavily upon {56} him, nothing shook the

courage and the determination of this dauntless English Slavophil to

continue along the path he considered the right one.

Afterwards, when, at the summit of his greatness, he was for the second

time re-elected Prime Minister, he wrote in his diary:

Oh, 'tis a burden, Cromwell, 'tis a burden!

Too heavy for a man that hopes for Heaven!

And yet, how nobly and unflinchingly did he bear that burden all

through his life!

Mr. Gladstone has been discussed and appraised and honoured all the

world over as a great statesman. To me, however, his supreme claim to

greatness lay even beyond his genius, in his rare and irreproachable

moral qualities. Cardinal Manning once remarked that Mr. Gladstone was

a more fitting person to receive Holy Orders than himself. "In fact,"

added the Cardinal frankly, "he is as perfectly suited for the Church

as I am _unsuited_ for it!"

Already in his childhood, Gladstone seems to have exercised a

beneficial influence over his companions. Bishop Hamilton, famed for

his many virtues, and treated by his contemporaries almost as a saint,

has admitted that little Willie Gladstone saved him from many an

escapade at Eton!

Much later, in 1838, Gladstone wrote his famous work, _The State in its

Relations to the Church_; in 1845 he gave up his position as chief of

the Ministry in order to remain true to his religious convictions, and

still later, in 1857, he opposed, with all his energy, the "Divorce

Bill," on the ground of his {57} belief that a union consecrated by the

Church cannot be broken by human law.

I will not dwell upon a fact so well known as the sensation produced by

the great English statesman's pamphlet on _The Vatican_. I will only

say that it was the general public, and not Mr. Gladstone's personal

friends, who were so astonished at the views expounded in that

pamphlet. In his own intimate circle, I constantly heard him repeat

his opinion that "Roman Catholicism is the systematic tyranny of the

priest over the layman, the Bishop over the priest, and the Pope over

the Bishop."

Feeling in his soul, on the one hand, almost a horror of Rome, and on

the other a deep religious inspiration, Mr. Gladstone's sympathy with

and admiration for the great cause of the Old Catholics were almost a

foregone conclusion. He first came in contact with this movement

through his friend Döllinger, and he never ceased to express his

confidence in its ultimate success. Whenever he spoke of the Old

Catholics, and he did so very frequently, it was always to express

himself about them in terms of deep sympathy and approval, as of true

Christians who strive, with such inspired faith and steadfast purpose,

to propagate the doctrines of the original Christian Church, robbed of

all the human errors that have crept into it and are represented by the

ambitious and tyrannical Papacy of the Vatican. Mr. Gladstone was one

of the first subscribers to the _Revue internationale de Théologie_,

which always occupied a place of honour in his library, and which, in

January, 1895, published his long letter to me on the subject of Old

Catholicism {58} and Döllinger. This letter is reproduced in my

pamphlet: "_Christ or Moses? Which?_" For Döllinger, Mr. Gladstone

had the warmest admiration and friendship, looking upon him as one of

the most remarkable men in the contemporary Christian Church.

The following letter from Mr. Gladstone will, I think, have some

interest for my readers:--

HAWARDEN CASTLE, CHESTER,

Oct. 6, 1894.

MY DEAR MADAME NOVIKOFF,

I can hardly ever write anything upon suggestion, what is more, is that

I have before me continuous operations, long ago planned, and must

refrain from those that are fragmentary. So I can undertake nothing

new.

My interest in the Old Catholics is cordial. A sister of mine died in

virtual union with them after having been Roman for over 30 years.

I remember suggesting to Dr. Döllinger that their future would probably

depend in great measure upon their being able to enter into some kind

of solid relations with the Eastern Church. And I earnestly hope this

may go forward. Dr. Döllinger agreed in this opinion. They may do

great good, and prevent the Latin Church by moral force from further

Extravagances. All this you will think disheartening with reference to

the object of your Letter. But I have a little more to say.

I have been drawn into writing a Preface to a Pictorial Edition of the

Bible, which will probably {59} have a very wide circulation in

America, but will be confined to English-speakers. My Preface will

have no reference to that Edition, but to the Authority and Value of

the Scriptures. I think there will be nothing to which you or Old

Catholics would object....

Believe me, sincerely yours,

W. E. GLADSTONE.

One of the most interesting letters I ever received from Mr. Gladstone,

and one which showed his extreme kindness to me when I was in some

theological difficulties, involves a story.

A very eminent and scientific friend, discussing with me some years ago

the weighty question of Immortality according to the Old Testament,

emphatically said:

"The Old Testament knows no Immortality! This is a fact which almost

every student of theology understands perfectly well, and which, at the

same time, nobody outside that class appears to have the least inkling

of. The Old and New Testaments are commonly spoken and thought of as

one book--one inspired work--instead of as two volumes, based on

opposite and irreconcilable principles. The doctrine of the first is

principally materialistic. The doctrine of the second is purely

idealistic. The Old Testament represents God as Jehovah, quite

otherwise than He is pictured by Jesus Christ. God, as pictured by the

Jews, manifested Himself in the terrible '_Lex Talionis_,' described in

Exodus xxi. 24, 25: 'Eye for eye, burning for burning, wound for

wound.' Whilst we are ordered by Jesus {60} Christ to 'do good to them

that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.'"

I was greatly impressed by that conversation. It is obvious that once

we deny immortality, we, at the same time, reject the existence of the

soul. An ardent desire seized me to discuss that most important

question from different points of view. I pressed my friend to sum up

all his arguments and publish them to the world. After much hesitation

he consented to do so, provided I took upon myself the responsibility

of the publication and the distribution of his pamphlet amongst

well-known professors of different European Universities.

Beyond this, a _condítío sine qua non_ was my promise not to reveal his

name during his lifetime. Of these stipulations the latter was, of

course, the easiest; but I carefully carried out all of them. But now

that he is dead I am at liberty to disclose his name. It was Count

Alexander Keyserling, to whom Bismarck offered the post of Minister of

Public Instruction in Germany, but which Keyserling refused.

I published, for private circulation, the German pamphlet

_Unsterblichkeítslehre nach der Bibel_, and sent it to one hundred

professors, including Frohschammer, Albert Réville, Treitschke,

Blunschli, Aloïs Riehl, etc., etc., asking their opinion. In the great

majority of cases they returned answer that the facts set forth were

already well known to them, and, in fact, were generally admitted. One

of the fraternity, a Roman Catholic priest, abused me roundly for

dragging such a subject into public discussion.

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But I bore this censure with equanimity. "_Du choc des opíníons

jaillit la vérité_," and the more we study and investigate questions

which guide our life the better.

Since then my desire to have the question more deeply investigated has

been increased greatly by the assertion of a talented and outspoken

Jewish writer that Judaism, or rather its teaching, is spreading. In

the August number of the _Fortnightly Review_, 1884, he says: "This

virtual assumption that the limits of human knowledge can extend no

farther than those of the visible world, appears to me to be the

central idea of Judaism." And he further asserts: "Judaism, _the

materialistic teaching_, is then found to have resulted in Judaism the

physical force." The author finishes thus: "History will show that ...

it has been silently engaged in that further Judaisation of mankind,

which is the sole ideal of its singularly practical teaching." Be it

noted that the above is quoted from a panegyric of the Jewish doctrine!

Amongst those who wrote to me was Professor E. Michaud, one of the most

distinguished representatives of the Old Catholic movement, and the

editor of the _La Revue internationale de Théologie_ (Berne, Suisse)

who wrote as follows: "From a habit of detesting the Jews, people are

sometimes brought to depreciate Judaism and ascribe to it almost

materialistic doctrines. Judaism is certainly not Christianity; but

neither is it Materialism."

Somewhat bewildered by these unexpected, and, as I think, exaggerated

protests, I appealed to Mr. Gladstone, whose kindness in these matters

had for {62} years been unfailing to me. My letter appears to have

given him the mistaken impression that I was venturing on my own

account into the polemical arena. Hence his reply, cautioning me

against an undertaking so obviously beyond my powers.

His letter is most important, and I am glad to be able to publish so

weighty a judgment on the most serious of all subjects, by the greatest

Englishman of his century. Here it is:--

HOTEL CAP MARTIN, MENTONE,

Feb. 13th, 1895.

MY DEAR MADAME NOVIKOFF,

I am sorry you have not a better adviser, but I will discharge as

fairly and frankly as I can the part which you desire me to undertake.

I do not see why the word "_heresy_" should be flung at you. Heresy is

a very grave matter, and should not be charged except in cases where

not only the subject matter is grave, but also the whole authority of

the Church or Christian community has been brought to bear. I

conceive, however, that the question of Jewish opinion on a future

state, as opened in the Old Testament, is a question quite open to

discussion.

I have myself been a good deal engaged latterly in examining the

question of a future state, and have had occasion to touch more or less

upon Jewish opinion. The subject is very interesting, but is also

large and complex, and I would advise you as strongly as I may against

publishing anything upon it without a previous examination proportioned

in some degree to the character of the {63} subject. How can you

safely enter upon it without some attention to the researches and the

opinions of the writers who have examined it?

My own state of information is by no means so advanced as to warrant

the expression of confident and final conclusions. But I think there

are some things that are clearly enough to be borne in mind. We cannot

but notice the wise reserve with which the Creeds treat the subject of

the future state. After the period when they were framed, Christian

opinion came gradually, I believe, to found itself upon an assumption

due to the Greek philosophy, and especially to Plato, namely, that of

the natural immortality of the human soul. And this opinion (which I

am not much inclined to accept) supplies us, so to speak, with

spectacles through which we look back upon the Hebrew ideas conveyed in

the Old Testament.

Another view of the matter is, that man was not naturally immortal, but

_immortalíable_. That had he not sinned, he would have attained

regularly to immortality; but after his eating from the tree of

knowledge he was prevented, as the text informs us, from feeding on the

tree of life, and the subject of his immortality was thus thrown into

vague and obscure distance.

I suppose it to be a reasonable opinion that there was a primitive

communication of divine knowledge to man, but of this revelation we

have no knowledge beyond the outline, so to call it, conveyed in the

Book of Genesis. That outline, however, appears to show in the case of

Enoch that one righteous man was specially saved from death; and the

words of {64} our Saviour in the Gospel give us to understand that

there were at any rate glimpses of the future state underlying Jewish

opinion. We must not, I think, forget the respect with which our

Saviour treats that opinion.

Nor can we forget that the Mosaic dispensation, coming as it were upon

the back of the old patriarchal religion, being essentially national,

was also predominantly temporal, and tended very powerfully to throw

the idea of the future state into the shade.

Nevertheless, it is, I think, generally admitted that, while in certain

passages the Psalmist speaks of it either despairingly or doubtfully,

in some Psalms the subject is approached with a vivid and glowing

belief; as when, for example, it is said: "When I awake up after Thy

likeness I shall be satisfied with it."

You know how much upon some occasions I have both sympathised with and

admired your authorship. I do not dissuade you from following up the

task to which you are now drawn. But I do not think you have as yet

quite reached the point at which publication would do honour to

yourself or justice to your theme. And I am sure this very imperfect

reply will serve to show that I do not treat your letter with levity

nor try wantonly to throw obstacles in your path.

I shall be interested to know what you decide about writing--with or

without further study.

W. E. GLADSTONE.

P.S.--Your letter, dated 6th, reached me yesterday.

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Mr. Gladstone's letter may be regarded as the first and most

interesting of those authoritative opinions which it is my sole object

to elicit.

People who met Gladstone at my house always found in him not only an

excellent and charming listener, but also a man who was ever ready to

hear new suggestions, and who delighted in original opinions or ideas

that seemed worthy of closer investigation. On some occasions, he was

eloquent and talkative; at other times, quite the contrary. One

afternoon, for instance, he was in the midst of arguing an interesting

point with me, when he suddenly perceived on my table a catalogue of

recent works on Shakespeare. It happened that he had never seen this

particular catalogue before, and being an ardent Shakespeare

enthusiast, the title attracted his attention. He picked up the book,

approached a lamp, and began interestedly turning over the pages.

Presently he sank into a chair, and having clearly quite forgotten his

surroundings, was soon lost in study of his favourite literary subject.

Among my other visitors on that particular afternoon was Hayward, a

well-known critic, also a dabbler in poetry and a would-be man of the

world. Hayward had a great weakness for people with sounding names and

assured positions, and was, of course, always more than pleased to be

seen in conversation with the great Prime Minister of England. I was

quite aware of this, and inwardly somewhat amused, for indeed, though

myself belonging to the class patronised by Hayward, I often invited to

my house people whose _present_ was perhaps humble, {66} but whose

_future_ seemed to me promising. I have every sympathy and admiration

for family traditions, and aristocratic manners and associations--but I

have always felt that if one never comes in contact with self-made,

energetic, persevering people with ideas and ideals, one is inclined to

grow narrow and prejudiced. This has always particularly struck me

during my visits to Vienna. The Viennese aristocracy, in spite of loud

voices and a bad habit of shouting as though one were deaf, is

distinguished for its graceful and charming manners. However, beyond

references to ballets and to sport, punctuated by gossip about mutual

friends, conversation is practically non-existent. There is only a

perpetual buzz of small talk, tedious to the highest degree, and to me

at least, acceptable only in homoeopathic doses!

Self-made men, as I have found, always have something more interesting

to say; their characters are often worth studying, give one food for

reflection, and, being a new element in society, introduce new ideas to

broaden our minds. This has always been my view, and I have followed

it out, often in the face of protests from my friends who urged me to

be more exclusive, and who failed to understand that ideas are better

than empty grandeur.

Gladstone, Froude, Kinglake, Tyndall and many others, however,

fortunately shared my peculiar tastes in this matter, and perhaps this

was one of the reasons why my association with them was always, as I

think, pleasant for us all.

But I have made a long digression, and must return to my party.

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Hayward, as I have said, was always greatly attracted by the presence

of Gladstone, and made every effort to draw him into conversation.

Alas, however, nothing could divert him from his book (the Shakespeare

Catalogue). His answers to all Hayward's remarks were vague and

monosyllabic, and only after some time did he look up and reply quite

irrelevantly to some question on current events. "Strange, I have

never seen this catalogue before," observed Gladstone. Hayward was

indignant. "There is nothing to see," he grumbled testily, "it is only

a list of reprints, and an incomplete list at that."

"No, no," remonstrated Gladstone enthusiastically, "that is just the

charm of it--there really seems to be nothing missing."

"Oh, yes," objected Hayward angrily, "there are many things missing. I

know all the Shakespearean literature as well as anyone. I can show

you at once."

"Oh, but show me, show me," exclaimed Gladstone, highly interested.

Hayward took the volume somewhat resentfully, and it was now his turn

to lose himself in its pages, while Gladstone waited in silence, and my

remaining visitors looked at me almost in distress! The incident ended

as unexpectedly as it began. After having almost quarrelled with

Hayward about some published or unpublished works, Gladstone suddenly

remembered that he had promised Mrs. Gladstone to be back at a certain

hour, rose hurriedly, and took his leave. I was exceedingly amused;

not so, however, my remaining guests.

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"You can hardly say that these manners are good!" remarked someone to

me. "Well," I answered, "I never find fault with my friends. Besides,

is it not natural that an Englishman should be carried away with

enthusiasm for your great English genius Shakespeare, who is honoured

all the world over?"

This was not the only occasion on which I remarked that Gladstone had

an almost morbid love of books. In Russia, we had only one man who was

a match for the great English Premier in this respect: this was the

head of our Holy Synod, Pobyedonostzeff. I used to send new books that

I came across to both these friends, but I confess that I seldom had

the satisfaction to find that my gifts were not already known to them.

Pobyedonostzeff being, of course, incessantly busy and in demand, and

rarely having a moment to himself, would on receiving a new book that

interested him, take a train from Petrograd to Moscow, and back in

order to enjoy some hours of solitude and the possibility of reading

his book undisturbed during this improvised journey!

Another of my book-lover friends who has left so warm an impression in

my remembrance, and whose name comes to my mind as I write, is Tyndall.

How good and kind-hearted he always was, and how responsive and eager

to do good and to help others!

As I have said, Mr. Gladstone was greatly interested in the Old

Catholics. On one occasion when we were both dining with Dr.

Döllinger, one of the leaders of the Old Catholic movement, at {69}

Munich, we were discussing the Old Catholicism and Mr. Gladstone

repeated how greatly interested he was in the movement. I remember the

way in which he spoke to me afterwards of his sister in connection with

the Old Catholic question. I thought it only natural to tell him that,

as I should pass Cologne on my way to Russia, I would like to call on

her. Mr. Gladstone's face brightened at my suggestion.

When I called on Miss Helen Gladstone I found that she already expected

my visit, and had heard a great deal not only about me, but about the

Old Catholic question.

"Yes," she said, "my brother is quite a superior man. But if you knew

what an original he is! For instance, once when he was travelling

abroad already in his capacity of Prime Minister, his wife desired him

to take a drive and off they went. But what vehicle do you think they

took? A little one-horsed cart, just as if they were two paupers sent

on some business!"

"Don't you think it is natural," said I, "for a man like Mr. Gladstone,

who has so many grand ideas and splendid schemes, to pay no attention

to the trivialities of this conventional world? Let me tell you what

happened to us once, when the Gladstones and myself met at Munich. We

went to a Museum, the President of which was very anxious to make the

'honneurs' of some very rare specimens. He showed us a certain dish,

and seemed particularly proud of it. Your brother took it in his hand,

examined it very carefully, and then said: 'But you know, Professor,

this is not genuine. In {70} a genuine dish there would be here a

special little mark that is not to be found here,' The President

actually turned pale--would you believe it?"

Dear Miss Gladstone seemed quite charmed with this story. "Oh, how

like him!" she exclaimed. "He knows everything. But you promised to

tell me something more about him," she pressed.

"Well," I said, "my second recollection refers to our meeting in Paris.

When I arrived there the celebrated politician and journalist, Emile de

Girardin, asked me to a large dinner party that he was giving. A few

days before this event, I heard of the Gladstones' arrival in Paris and

mentioned it to Monsieur de Girardin, with the suggestion how nice it

would be if he were to invite them also. My old Frenchman was

delighted. 'Oh, do try to arrange that!' he exclaimed; 'I do not know

them personally, but have always longed to make their acquaintance. I

shall send you the list of all my guests, and hope you will try to

ascertain whom they would like to meet, and whom to avoid.' This was

an easy task, and I fulfilled it. Mr. Gladstone said: 'I would very

much like to meet your brother, General Kiréeff (who had already been

invited), and the Contributor of the _Revue des Deux Mondes_,

Scherer'--(Scherer was a celebrated senator, politician and literary

critic). It so happened that by chance I knew some of his work, and

was delighted at the prospect of this meeting. But Mr. Gladstone

frankly admitted that he would not like to meet Gambetta. This desire

was also observed at the end of the dinner; one of the guests addressed

a long speech of welcome to Mr. Gladstone, of course in {71} French.

But just fancy my surprise, when Mr. Gladstone rose and answered, also

in French, to the delight of the whole assembly. No one had suspected

that he possessed such a mastery of the French language. As to my

brother, who took Miss Helen Gladstone in to dinner, they turned out to

be both great admirers of Botticelli and well agreed on their favourite

subject."

Dear old Miss Gladstone seemed delighted with all these details about

her relations, and pressed me to prolong my visit, which I did to the

point of losing my train!

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