Interviewer's Comment

Mrs. Colbert lives with her daughter in a very comfortable home. She

seems very happy and was glad to talk of her early days. How she would

laugh when telling of the experiences of her family.

She has reared a large family of her own, and feels very proud of them.

Submitted December 1, 1937

Indianapolis, Indiana

Wm. R. Mays

Dist. 4

Johnson County, Ind.

July 29, 1937

SLAVERY DAYS OF MANDY COOPER OF LINCOLN COUNTY, KENTUCKY

FRANK COOPER

715 Ott St., Franklin, Ind.

Frank Cooper, an aged colored man of Franklin, relates some very

interesting conditions that existed in slavery days as handed down to

him by his mother.

Mandy Cooper, the mother of Frank Cooper, was 115 years old when she

died; she was owned by three different families: the Good's, the

Burton's, and the Cooper's, all of Lincoln Co. Kentucky.

"Well, Ah reckon Ah am one of the oldest colored men hereabouts,"

confessed aged Frank Cooper. "What did you all want to see me about?" My

mission being stated, he related one of the strangest categories

alluding to his mother's slave life that I have ever heard.

"One day while mah mammy was washing her back my sistah noticed ugly

disfiguring scars on it. Inquiring about them, we found, much to our

amazement, that they were mammy's relics of the now gone, if not

forgotten, slave days.

"This was her first reference to her "misery days" that she had evah

made in my presence. Of course we all thought she was tellin' us a big

story and we made fun of her. With eyes flashin', she stopped bathing,

dried her back and reached for the smelly ole black whip that hung

behind the kitchen door. Biddin' us to strip down to our waists, my

little mammy with the boney bent-ovah back, struck each of us as hard as

evah she could with that black-snake whip, each stroke of the whip drew

blood from our backs. "Now", she said to us, "you have a taste of

slavery days." With three of her children now having tasted of some of

her "misery days" she was in the mood to tell us more of her sufferings;

still indelibly impressed in my mind. [TR: illegible handwritten note

here.]

'My ole back is bent ovah from the quick-tempered blows feld by the

red-headed Miss Burton.

'At dinner time one day when the churnin' wasn't finished for the

noonday meal', she said with an angry look that must have been reborn in

mah mammy's eyes--eyes that were dimmed by years and hard livin', 'three

white women beat me from anger because they had no butter for their

biscuits and cornbread. Miss Burton used a heavy board while the missus

used a whip. While I was on my knees beggin' them to quit, Miss Burton

hit the small of mah back with the heavy board. Ah knew no more until

kind Mr. Hamilton, who was staying with the white folks, brought me

inside the cabin and brought me around with the camphor bottle. Ah'll

always thank him--God bless him--he picked me up where they had left me

like a dog to die in the blazin' noonday sun.

'After mah back was broken it was doubted whether ah would evah be able

to work again or not. Ah was placed on the auction block to be bidded

for so mah owner could see if ah was worth anything or not. One man bid

$1700 after puttin' two dirty fingahs in my mouth to see my teeth. Ah

bit him and his face showed angah. He then wanted to own me so he could

punish me.

'Thinkin' his bid of $1700 was official he unstrapped his buggy whip to

beat me, but my mastah saved me. My master declared the bid unofficial.

'At this auction my sister was sold for $1900 and was never seen by us

again.'

"My mother related some experiences she had with the Paddy-Rollers,

later called the "Kuklux", these Paddy-Rollers were a constant dread to

the Negroes. They would whip the poor darkeys unmercifully without any

cause. One night while the Negroes were gathering for a big party and

dance they got wind of the approaching Paddy-Rollers in large numbers

on horseback. The Negro men did not know what to do for protection, they

became desperate and decided to gather a quantity of grapevines and tied

them fast at a dark place in the road. When the Paddy-Rollers came

thundering down the road bent on deviltry and unaware of the trap set

for them, plunged head-on into these strong grapevines and three of

their number were killed and a score was badly injured. Several horses

had to be shot following injuries.

"When the news of this happening spread it was many months before the

Paddy-Rollers were again heard of."

Albert Strope, Field Worker

Federal Writers' Project

St. Joseph County--District #1

Mishawaka, Indiana

EX-SLAVE

REV. H.H. EDMUNDS

403 West Hickory Street

Elkhart, Indiana

Rev. H.H. Edmunds has resided at 403 West Hickory Street in Elkhart for

the past ten years. Born in Lynchburg, Virginia, in 1859, he lived there

for several years. Later he was taken to Mississippi by his master, and

finally to Nashville, Tennessee, where he lived until his removal to

Elkhart.

Mr. Edmunds is very religious, and for many years has served his people

as a minister of the Gospel. He feels deeply that the religion of today

has greatly changed from the "old time religion." In slavery days, the

colored people were so subjugated and uneducated that he claims they

were especially susceptible to religion, and poured out their religious

feelings in the so-called negro spirituals. Mr. Edmunds is convinced

that the superstitions of the colored people and their belief in ghosts

and gobblins is due to the fact that their emotions were worked upon by

slave drivers to keep them in subjugation. Oftentimes white people

dressed as ghosts, frightened the colored people into doing many things

under protest. The "ghosts" were feared far more than the slave-drivers.

The War of the Rebellion is not remembered by Mr. Edmunds, but he

clearly remembers the period following the war known as the

Reconstruction Period. The Negroes were very happy when they learned

they were free as a result of the war. A few took advantage of their

freedom immediately, but many, not knowing what else to do, remained

with their former masters. Some remained on the plantations five years

after they were free. Gradually they learned to care for themselves,

often through instructions received from their former masters, and then

they were glad to start out in the world for themselves. Of course,

there were exceptions, for the slaves who had been abused by cruel

masters were only too glad to leave their former homes.

The following reminiscense is told by Mr. Edmunds:

"As a boy, I worked in Virginia for my master, a Mr. Farmer[TR:?]. He

had two sons who served as bosses on the farm. An elder sister was the

head boss. After the war was over, the sister called the colored people

together and told them that they were no longer slaves, that they might

leave if they wished.

"The slaves had been watering cucumbers which had been planted around

barrels filled with soil. Holes had been bored in the barrels, and when

water was poured in the barrels, it gradually seeped out through the

holes thus watering the cucumbers.

"After the speech, one son told the slaves to resume their work. Since I

was free, I refused to do so, and as a result, I received a terrible

kicking. I mentally resolved to get even some day. Years afterward, I

went to the home of this man for the express purpose of seeking revenge.

However, I was received so kindly, and treated so well, that all

thoughts of vengeance vanished. For years after, my former boss and I

visited each other in our own homes."

Mr. Edmunds states that the Negro people prefer to be referred to as

colored people, and deeply resent the name "nigger."

Archie Koritz, Field Worker

Federal Writers' Project

Lake County--District #1

Gary, Indiana

EX-SLAVES

JOHN EUBANKS & FAMILY

Gary, Indiana

Gary's only surviving Civil War veteran was born a slave in Barren

County, Kentucky, June 6, 1836. His father was a mulatto and a free

negro. His mother was a slave on the Everrett plantation and his

grandparents ware full-blooded African negroes. As a child he began work

as soon as possible and was put to work hoeing and picking cotton and

any other odd jobs that would keep him busy. He was one of a family of

several children, and is the sole survivor, a brother living in

Indianapolis, having died there in 1935.

Following the custom of the south, when the children of the Everrett

family grew up, they married and slaves were given them for wedding

presents. John was given to a daughter who married a man of the name of

Eubanks, hence his name, John Eubanks. John was one of the more

fortunate slaves in that his mistress and master were kind and they were

in a state divided on the question of slavery. They favored the north.

The rest of the children were given to other members of the Everrett

family upon their marriage or sold down the river and never saw one

another until after the close of the Civil War.

Shortly after the beginning of the Civil War, when the north seemed to

be losing, someone conceived the idea of forming negro regiments and as

an inducement to the slaves, they offered them freedom if they would

join the Union forces. John's mistress and master told him that if he

wished to join the Union forces, he had their consent and would not have

to run away like other slaves were doing. At the beginning of the war,

John was twenty-one years of age. When Lincoln freed the slaves by his

Emancipation Proclamation, John was promptly given his freedom by his

master and mistress.

John decided to join the northern army which was located at Bowling

Green, Kentucky, a distance of thirty-five miles from Glasgow where John

was living. He had to walk the entire thirty-five miles. Although he

fails to remember all the units that he was attached to, he does

remember that it was part of General Sherman's army. His regiment

started with Sherman on his famous march through Georgia, but for some

reason unknown to John, shortly after the campaign was on its way, his

regiment was recalled and sent elsewhere.

His regiment was near Vicksburg, Mississippi, at the time Lee

surrendered. Since Lee was a proud southerner and did not want the

negroes present when he surrendered, Grant probably for this reason as

much as any other refused to accept Lee's sword. When Lee surrendered

there was much shouting among the troops and John was one of many put to

work loading cannons on boats to be shipped up the river. His company

returned on the steamboat "Indiana." Upon his return to Glasgow, [HW:

Ky.] he saw for the first time in six years, his mother and other

members of his family who had returned free.

Shortly after he returned to Glasgow at the close of the Civil War, he

saw several colored people walking down the highway and was attracted to

a young colored girl in the group who was wearing a yellow dress.

Immediately he said to himself, "If she ain't married there goes my

wife." Sometime later they met and were married Christmas day in 1866.

To this union twelve children were born four of whom are living today,

two in Gary and the others in the south. After his marriage he lived on

a farm near Glasgow for several years, later moving to Louisville, where

he worked in a lumber yeard. He came to Gary in 1924, two years after

the death of his wife.

President Grant was the first president for whom he cast his vote and he

continued to vote until old age prevented him from walking to the polls.

Although Lincoln is one of his favorite heroes, Teddy Roosevelt tops his

list of great men and he never failed to vote for him.

In 1926, he was the only one of three surviving memebers of the Grand

Army of the Republic in Gary and mighty proud of the fact that he was

the only one in the parade. In 1937 he is the sole survivor.

He served in the army as a member of Company K of the 108th, Kentucky

Infantry (Negro Volunteers).

When General Morgan, the famous southern raider, crossed the Ohio on his

raid across southern Indiana, John was one of the Negro fighters who

after heavy fighting, forced Morgan to recross the river and retreat

back to the south. He also participated in several skirmishes with the

cavalry troops commanded by the famous Nathan Bedfored Forrest, and was

a member of the Negro garrison at Fort Pillow, on the Mississippi which

was assaulted and captured. This resulted in a massacre of the negro

soldiers. John was in several other fights, but as he says, "never onct

got a skinhurt."

At the present time, Mr. Eubanks is residing with his daughter, Mrs.

Bertha Sloss and several grandchildren, in Gary, Indiana. He is badly

crippled with rheumatism, has poor eyesight and his memory is failing.

Otherwise his health is good. Most of his teeth are good and they are a

source of wonder to his dentist. He is ninety-eight years of age and

his wish in life now, is to live to be a hundred. Since his brother and

mother both died at ninety-eight and his paternal grandfather at one

hundred-ten years of age, he has a good chance to realize this ambition.

Because of his condition most of this interview was had from his

grandchildren, who have taken notes in recent years of any incidents

that he relates. He is proud that most of his fifty grandchildren are

high school graduates and that two are attending the University of

Chicago.

In 1935, he enjoyed a motor trip, when his family took him back to

Glasgow for a visit. He suffered no ill effects from the trip.

Archie Koritz, Field Worker

816 Mound Street, Valparaiso, Indiana

Federal Writers' Project

Lake County, District #1

Gary, Indiana

EX-SLAVES

INTERVIEW WITH JOHN EUBANKS, EX-SLAVE

John Eubanks, Gary's only negro Civil War survivor has lived to see the

ninety-eighth anniversary of his birth and despite his advanced age,

recalls with surprising clarity many interesting and sad events of his

boyhood days when a slave on the Everett plantation.

He was born in Glasgow, Barron County, Kentucky, June 6, 1839, one of

seven children of a chattel of the Everett family.

The old man retains most of his faculties, but bears the mark of his

extreme age in an obvious feebleness and failing sight and memory. He is

physically large, says he once was a husky, weighing over two hundred

pounds, bears no scars or deformities and despite the hardships and

deprivations of his youth, presents a kindly and tolerant attitude.

"I remembah well, us young uns on the Everett plantation," he relates,

"I worked since I can remembah, hoein', pickin' cotton and othah chohs

'round the fahm. We didden have much clothes, nevah no undahweah, no

shoes, old ovahalls and a tattahed shirt, wintah and summah. Come de

wintah, it be so cold mah feet weah plumb numb mos' o' de time and manya

time--when we git a chanct--we druve the hogs from outin the bogs an'

put ouah feet in the wahmed wet mud. They was cracked and the skin on

the bottoms and in de toes weah cracked and bleedin' mos' o' time, wit

bloody scabs but de summah healed them agin."

"Does yohall remembah, Granpap," his daughter prompted, "Yoh

mahstah--did he treat you mean?"

"No," his tolerant acceptance apparent in his answer, "it weah done

thataway. Slaves weah whipt and punished and the younguns belonged to

the mahstah to work foah him oh to sell. When I weah 'bout six yeahs

old, Mahstah Everett give me to Tony Eubanks as a weddin' present when

he married mahstah's daughtah Becky. Becky would'n let Tony whip her

slaves who came from her fathah's plantation. 'They ah my prophty,' she

say, 'an' you caint whip dem.' Tony whipt his othah slaves but not

Becky's."

"I remembah" he continued, "how they tied de slave 'round a post, wit

hands tied togedder 'round the post, then a husky lash his back wid a

snakeskin lash 'til hisn back were cut and bloodened, the blood

spattered" gesticulating with his unusually large hands, "an' hisn back

all cut up. Den they'd pouh salt watah on hem. Dat dry and hahden and

stick to hem. He nevah take it off 'till it heal. Sometimes I see

marhstah Everett hang a slave tip-toe. He tie him up so he stan' tip-toe

an' leave him thataway.

"I be twenty-one wehn wah broke out. Mahstah Eubanks say to me, 'Yohall

don' need to run 'way ifn yohall want to jine up wid de ahmy.' He say,

'Deh would be a fine effin slaves run off. Yohall don' haf to run off,

go right on and I do not pay dat fine.' He say, ''nlist in de ahmy but

don' run off.' Now I walk thirty-five mile from Glasgow to Bowling Green

to dis place--to da 'nlistin' place--from home fouh mile--to Glasgow--to

Bowling Green, thirty-five mile. On de road I meet up with two boys, so

we go on. Dey run 'way from Kentucky, and we go together. Then some

Bushwackers come down de road. We's scared and run to the woods and hid.

As we run tru de woods, pretty soon we heerd chickens crowing. We fill

ouah pockets wit stones. We goin' to kill chickens to eat. Pretty soon

we heerd a man holler, 'You come 'round outta der'--and I see a white

man and come out. He say, 'What yoh all doin' heah?' I turn 'round and

say, 'well boys, come on boys,' an' the boys come out. The man say, 'I'm

Union Soldier. What yoh all doin' heah?' I say, 'We goin' to 'nlist in

de ahmy.' He say, 'Dat's fine' and he say, 'come 'long' He say, 'git

right on white man's side'--we go to station. Den he say, 'You go right

down to de station and give yoh inforhmation. We keep on walkin'. Den we

come to a white house wit stone steps in front so we go in. An' we got

to 'nlistin' place and jine up wit de ahmy.

"Den we go trainin' in d' camp and we move on. Come to a little town ...

a little town. We come to Bolling Green ... den to Louiville. We come to

a rivah ... a rivah (painfully recalling) d' Mississippi.

"We weah 'nfantry and petty soon we gits in plenty fights, but not a

scratch hit me. We chase dem cavalry. We run dem all night and next

mohnin' d' Captain he say, 'Dey done broke down.' When we rest, he say

'See dey don' trick you.' I say, 'We got all d' ahmy men togedder. We

hold dem back 'til help come.'

"We don' have no tents. Sleep on naked groun' in wet and cold and rain.

Mos' d' time we's hungry but we win d' war and Mahstah Eubanks tell us

we no moah hisn property, we's free now."

The old man can talk only in short sentences and his voice dies to a

whisper and soon the strain became evident. He was tired. What he does

remember is with surprising clearness especially small details, but with

a helpless gesture, he dismisses names and locations. He remembers the

exact date of his discharge, March 20, 1866, which his daughter verified

by producing his discharge papers. He remembers the place, Vicksburg,

the Company--K, and the Regiment, 180th. Dropping back once more to his

childhood he spoke of an incident which his daughter says makes them all

cry when he relates it, although they have heard it many times.

"Mahstah Everett whipt me onct and mothah she cried. Then Mahstah

Everett say, 'Why yoh all cry?--Yoh cry I whip anothah of these young

uns. She try to stop. He whipt 'nother. He say, 'Ifn yoh all don' stop,

yoh be whipt too!' and mothah she trien to stop but teahs roll out, so

Mahstah Everett whip her too.

"I wanted to visit mothah when I belong to Mahst' Eubanks, but Becky

say, 'Yoh all best not see youh mothah, or yoh wan' to go all de time'

then explaining, 'she wan' me to fohgit mothah, but I nevah could. When

I cm back from d' ahmy, I go home to mothah and say 'don' y'know me?'

She say, 'No, I don' know you.' I say, 'Yoh don' know me?' She say, 'No,

ah don' know yoh.' I say, 'I'se John.' Den she cry and say how ahd growd

and she thought I'se daid dis long time. I done 'splain how the many

fights I'se in wit no scratch and she bein' happy."

Speaking of Abraham Lincoln's death, he remarked, "Sho now, ah remembah

dat well. We all feelin' sad and all d'soldiers had wreaths on der

guns."

Upon his return from the army he married a young negress he had seen

some time previous at which time he had vowed some day to make her his

wife. He was married Christmas day, 1866. For a number of years he lived

on a farm of his own near Glasgow. Later he moved with his family to

Louisville where he worked in a lumber yard. In 1923, two years after

the death of his wife, he came to Gary, when he retired. He is now

living with his daughter, Mrs. Sloss, 2713 Harrison Boulevard, Gary.

Cecil C. Miller

Dist. #3

Tippecanoe Co.

INTERVIEW WITH MR. JOHN W. FIELDS, EX-SLAVE OF CIVIL WAR PERIOD

September 17, 1937

[Illustration: John W. Fields]

John W. Fields, 2120 North Twentieth Street, Lafayette, Indiana, now

employed as a domestic by Judge Burnett is a typical example of a fine

colored gentleman, who, despite his lowly birth and adverse

circumstances, has labored and economized until he has acquired a

respected place in his home community. He is the owner of three

properties; un-mortgaged, and is a member of the colored Baptist Church

of Lafayette. As will later be seen his life has been one of constant

effort to better himself spiritually and physically. He is a fine

example of a man who has lived a morally and physically clean life. But,

as for his life, I will let Mr. Fields speak for himself:

"My name is John W. Fields and I'm eighty-nine (89) years old. I was

born March 27, 1848 in Owensburg, Ky. That's 115 miles below Louisville,

Ky. There was 11 other children besides myself in my family. When I was

six years old, all of us children were taken from my parents, because my

master died and his estate had to be settled. We slaves were divided by

this method. Three disinterested persons were chosen to come to the

plantation and together they wrote the names of the different heirs on a

few slips of paper. These slips were put in a hat and passed among us

slaves. Each one took a slip and the name on the slip was the new owner.

I happened to draw the name of a relative of my master who was a widow.

I can't describe the heartbreak and horror of that separation. I was

only six years old and it was the last time I ever saw my mother for

longer than one night. Twelve children taken from my mother in one day.

Five sisters and two brothers went to Charleston, Virginia, one brother

and one sister went to Lexington Ky., one sister went to Hartford, Ky.,

and one brother and myself stayed in Owensburg, Ky. My mother was later

allowed to visit among us children for one week of each year, so she

could only remain a short time at each place.

"My life prior to that time was filled with heart-aches and despair. We

arose from four to five O'clock in the morning and parents and children

were given hard work, lasting until nightfall gaves us our respite.

After a meager supper, we generally talked until we grew sleepy, we had

to go to bed. Some of us would read, if we were lucky enough to know

how.

"In most of us colored folks was the great desire to able to read and

write. We took advantage of every opportunity to educate ourselves. The

greater part of the plantation owners were very harsh if we were caught

trying to learn or write. It was the law that if a white man was caught

trying to educate a negro slave, he was liable to prosecution entailing

a fine of fifty dollars and a jail sentence. We were never allowed to go

to town and it was not until after I ran away that I knew that they sold

anything but slaves, tobacco and wiskey. Our ignorance was the greatest

hold the South had on us. We knew we could run away, but what then? An

offender guilty of this crime was subjected to very harsh punishment.

"When my masters estate had been settled, I was to go with the widowed

relative to her place, she swung me up on her horse behind her and

promised me all manner of sweet things if I would come peacefully. I

didn't fully realise what was happening, and before I knew it, I was on

my way to my new home. Upon arrival her manner changed very much, and

she took me down to where there was a bunch of men burning brush. She

said, "see those men" I said: yes. Well, go help them, she replied. So

at the age of six I started my life as an independent slave. From then

on my life as a slave was a repetition of hard work, poor quarters and

board. We had no beds at that time, we just "bunked" on the floor. I had

one blanket and manys the night I sat by the fireplace during the long

cold nights in the winter.

"My Mistress had separated me from all my family but one brother with

sweet words, but that pose was dropped after she reached her place.

Shortly after I had been there, she married a northern man by the name

of David Hill. At first he was very nice to us, but he gradually

acquired a mean and overbearing manner toward us, I remember one

incident that I don't like to remember. One of the women slaves had been

very sick and she was unable to work just as fast as he thought she

ought to. He had driven her all day with no results. That night after

completeing our work he called us all together. He made me hold a light,

while he whipped her and then made one of the slaves pour salt water on

her bleeding back. My innerds turn yet at that sight.

"At the beginning of the Civil War I was still at this place as a slave.

It looked at the first of the war as if the south would win, as most of

the big battles were won by the South. This was because we slaves stayed

at home and tended the farms and kept their families.

"To eliminate this solid support of the South, the Emancipation Act was

passed, freeing all slaves. Most of the slaves were so ignorant they did

not realize they were free. The planters knew this and as Kentucky never

seceeded from the Union, they would send slaves into Kentucky from other

states in the south and hire them out to plantations. For these reasons

I did not realize that I was free untill 1864. I immediately resolved to

run away and join the Union Army and so my brother and I went to

Owensburg, Ky. and tried to join. My brother was taken, but I was

refused as being too young. I [HW: tried] at Evansville, Terre Haute and

Indianapolis but was unable to get in. I then tried to find work and was

finally hired by a man at $7.00 a month. That was my first independent

job. From then on I went from one job to another working as general

laborer.

"I married at 24 years of age and had four children. My wife has been

dead for 12 years and 8 months. Mr. Miller, always remember that:

"The brightest man, the prettiest flower

May be cut down, and withered in an hour."

"Today, I am the only surviving member who helped organize the second

Baptist Church here in Lafayette, 64 years ago. I've tried to live

according to the way the Lord would wish, God Bless you."

"The clock of Life is wound but once.

Today is yours, tomorrow is not.

No one knows when the hands will stop."

Cecil Miller

Dist. #3

Tipp. Co. [TR: Tippecanoe Co.]

NEGRO FOLKLORE

MR. JOHN FIELDS, EX-SLAVE

2120 N. 20th St. Lafayette, Indiana

[Illustration: John W. Fields]

Mr. Fields says that all negro slaves were ardent believers in ghosts,

supernatual powers, tokens and "signs." The following story illustrates

the point.

"A turkey gobbler had mysteriously disappeared from one of the

neighboring plantations and the local slaves were accused of commeting

the fowl to a boiling pot. A slave convicted of theft was punished

severly. As all of the slaves denied any knowledge of the turkey's

whereabouts, they were instructed to make a search of the entire

plantation."

"On one part of the place there was a large peach orchard. At the time

the trees were full of the green fruit. Under one of the trees there was

a large cabinet or "safe" as they were called. One of the slaves

accidently opened the safe and, Behold, there was Mr. Gobbler peacefully

seated on a number of green peaches.

"The negro immediately ran back and notified his master of the

discovery. The master returned to the orchard with the slave to find

that the negro's wild tale was true. A turkey gobbler sitting on a nest

of green peaches. A bad omen.

"The master had a son who had been seriously injured some time before by

a runaway team, and a few days after this unusual occurence with the

turkey, the son died. After his death, the word of the turkey's nesting

venture and the death of the master's son spread to this four winds,

and for some time after this story was related wherever there was a

public gathering with the white people or the slave population."

All through the south a horseshoe was considered an omen of good luck.

Rare indeed was the southern home that did not have one nailed over the

door. This insured the household and all who entered of plesant

prospects while within the home. If while in the home you should perhaps

get into a violent argument, never hit the other party with a broom as

it was a sure indication of bad luck. If Grandad had the rheumatics, he

would be sure of relief if he carried a buckeye in his pocket.

Of all the Ten Commandments, the one broken most by the negro was: Thou

Shalt Not Steal This was due mostly to the insufficent food the slaves

obtained. Most of the planters expected a chicken to suddenly get

heavenly aspirations once in a while, but as Mr. Fields says, "When a

beautiful 250 pound hog suddenly tries to kidnap himself, the planter

decided to investigate." It occured like this:

A 250 pound hog had been fruitless. The planter was certain that the

culprit was among his group of slaves, so he decided to personally

conduct a quiet investigation.

One night shortly after the moon had risen in the sky, two of the

negroes were seated at a table in one of the cabins talking of the

experiences of the day. A knock sounded on the door. Both slaves jumped

up and cautiously peeked out of the window. Lo there was the master

patiently waiting for an answer. The visiting negro decided that the

master must not see both of them and he asked the other to conceal him

while the master was there. The other slave told him to climb into the

attic and be perfectly quiet. When this was done, the tenant of the

cabin answered the door.

The master strode in and gazed about the cabin. He then turned abruptly

to the slave and growled, 'Alright, where is that hog you stoled.'

'Massa, replied the negro, 'I know nothing about no hog. The master was

certain that the slave was lying and told him so in no uncertain terms.

The terrified slave said, 'Massa, I know nothing of any hog. I never

seed him. The Good Man up above knows I never seed him. HE knows every

thing and HE knows I didn't steal him; The man in the attic by this time

was aroused at the misunderstood conversation taking place below him.

Disregarding all, he raised his voice and yelled, 'He's a liar, Massa,

he knows just as much about it as I do.'

Most of the strictly negro folklore has faded into the past. The younger

negro generations who have been reared and educated in the north have

lost this bearing and assumed the lore of the local white population

through their daily contact with the whites. The older negro natives of

this section are for the most part employed as domestics and through

this channel rapidly assimilated the employers viewpoint in most of his

beliefs and conversations.

Ex-Slave Stories

District 5

Vanderburgh County

Lauana Creel

INDIANS MADE SLAVES AMONG THE NEGROES.

INTERVIEWS WITH GEORGE FORTMAN

Cor. Bellemeade Ave. and Garvin St.

Evansville, Indiana, and other interested citizens

"The story of my life, I will tell to you with sincerest respect to all

and love to many, although reviewing the dark trail of my childhood and

early youth causes me great pain." So spoke George Fortman, an aged man

and former slave, although the history of his life reveals that no Negro

blood runs through his veins.

"My story necessarily begins by relating events which occurred in 1838,

when hundreds of Indians were rounded up like cattle and driven away

from the valley of the Wabash. It is a well known fact recorded in the

histories of Indiana that the long journey from the beautiful Wabash

Valley was a horrible experience for the fleeing Indians, but I have the

tradition as relating to my own family, and from this enforced flight

ensued the tragedy of my birth."

The aged ex-slave reviews tradition. "My two ancestors, John Hawk, a

Blackhawk Indian brave, and Racheal, a Chackatau maiden had made

themselves a home such as only Indians know, understand and enjoy. He

was a hunter and a fighter but had professed faith in Christ through the

influence of the missionaries. My greatgrandmother passed the facts on

to her children and they have been handed down for four generations. I,

in turn, have given the traditions to my children and grandchildren.

"No more peaceful home had ever offered itself to the red man than the

beautiful valley of the Wabash river. Giant elms, sycamores and maple

trees bordered the stream while the fertile valley was traversed with

creeks and rills, furnishing water in abundance for use of the Indian

campers.

"The Indians and the white settlers in the valley transacted business

with each other and were friendly towards each other, as I have been

told by my mother, Eliza, and my grandmother, Courtney Hawk.

"The missionaries often called the Indian families together for the

purpose of teaching them and the Indians had been invited, prior to

being driven from the valley, to a sort of festival in the woods. They

had prepared much food for the occasion. The braves had gone on a long

hunt to provide meat and the squaws had prepared much corn and other

grain to be used at the feast. All the tribes had been invited to a

council and the poor people were happy, not knowing they were being

deceived.

"The decoy worked, for while the Indians were worshiping God the meeting

was rudely interrupted by orders of the Governor of the State. The

Governor, whose duty it was to give protection to the poor souls,

caused them to be taken captives and driven away at the point of swords

and guns.

"In vain, my grandmother said, the Indians prayed to be let return to

their homes. Instead of being given their liberty, some several hundred

horses and ponies were captured to be used in transporting the Indians

away from the valley. Many of the aged Indians and many innocent

children died on the long journey and traditional stories speak of that

journey as the 'trail of death.'"

"After long weeks of flight, when the homes of the Indians had been

reduced to ashes, the long trail still carried them away from their

beautiful valley. My greatgrandfather and his squaw became acquainted

with a party of Indians that were going to the canebrakes of Alabama.

The pilgrims were not well fed or well clothed and they were glad to

travel towards the south, believing the climate would be favorable to

their health.

"After a long and dreary journey, the Indians reached Alabama. Rachael

had her youngest papoose strapped on to her back while John had cared

for the larger child, Lucy. Sometimes she had walked beside her father

but often she had become weary or sleepy and he had carried her many

miles of the journey, besides the weight of blankets and food. An older

daughter, Courtney, also accompanied her parents.

"When they neared the cane lands they heard the songs of Negro slaves as

they toiled in the cane. Soon they were in sight of the slave quarters

of Patent George's plantation. The Negroes made the Indians welcome and

the slave dealer allowed them to occupy the cane house; thus the Indians

became slaves of Patent George.

"Worn out from his long journey John Hawk became too ill to work in the

sugar cane. The kindly-disposed Negroes helped care for the sick man but

he lived only a few months. Rachel and her two children remained on the

plantation, working with the other slaves. She had nowhere to go. No

home to call her own. She had automatically become a slave. Her

children had become chattel.

"So passed a year away, then unhappiness came to the Indian mother, for

her daughter, Courtney, became the mother of young Master Ford George's

child. The parents called the little half-breed "Eliza" and were very

fond of her. The widow of John Hawk became the mother of Patent George's

son, Patent Junior.

"The tradition of the family states that in spite of these irregular

occurrences the people at the George's southern plantation were

prosperous, happy, and lived in peace each with the others. Patent

George wearied of the Southern climate and brought his slaves into

Kentucky where their ability and strength would amass a fortune for the

master in the iron ore regions of Kentucky.

"With the wagon trains of Patent and Ford George came Rachel Hawk and

her daughters, Courtney, Lucy and Rachel. Rachel died on the journey

from Alabama but the remaining full blooded Indians entered Kentucky as

slaves.

"The slave men soon became skilled workers in the Hillman Rolling Mills.

Mr. Trigg was owner of the vast iron works called the "Chimneys" in the

region, but listed as the Hillman, Dixon, Boyer, Kelley and Lyons

Furnaces. For more than a half century these chimneys smoked as the most

valuable development in the western area of Kentucky. Operated in 1810,

these furnaces had refined iron ore to supply the United States Navy

with cannon balls and grape shot, and the iron smelting industry

continued until after the close of the Civil War.

"No slaves were beaten at the George's plantation and old Mistress

Hester Lam allowed no slave to be sold. She was a devoted friend to all.

"As Eliza George, daughter of Ford George and Courtney Hawk, grew into

young womanhood the young master Ford George went oftener and oftener to

social functions. He was admired for his skill with firearms and for

his horsemanship. While Courtney and his child remained at the

plantation Ford enjoyed the companship of the beautiful women of the

vicinity. At last he brought home the beautiful Loraine, his young

bride. Courtney was stoical as only an Indian can be. She showed no hurt

but helped Mistress Hester and Mistress Loraine with the house work."

Here George Fortman paused to let his blinded eyes look back into the

long ago. Then he again continued with his story of the dark trail.

"Mistress Loraine became mother of two sons and a daughter and the big

white two-story house facing the Cumberland River at Smith Landing,

Kentucky, became a place of laughter and happy occasions, so my mother

told me many times.

"Suddenly sorrow settled down over the home and the laughter turned into

wailing, for Ford George's body was found pierced through the heart and

the half-breed, Eliza, was nowhere to be found.

"The young master's body lay in state many days. Friends and neighbors

came bringing flowers. His mother, bowed with grief, looked on the still

face of her son and understood--understood why death had come and why

Eliza had gone away.

"The beautiful home on the Cumberland river with its more than 600 acres

of productive land was put into the hands of an administrator of estates

to be readjusted in the interest of the George heirs. It was only then

Mistress Hester went to Aunt Lucy and demanded of her to tell where

Eliza could be found.

'She has gone to Alabama, Ole Mistus', said Aunt Lucy, 'Eliza was scared

to stay here.' A party of searchers were sent out to look for Eliza.

They found her secreted in a cane brake in the low lands of Alabama

nursing her baby boy at her breast. They took Eliza and the baby back to

Kentucky. I am that baby, that child of unsatisfactory birth."

The face of George Fortman registered sorrow and pain, it had been hard

for him to retell the story of the dark road to strange ears.

"My white uncles had told Mistress Hester that if Eliza brought me back

they were going to build a fire and put me in it, my birth was so

unsatisfactory to all of them, but Mistress Hester always did what she

believed was right and I was brought up by my own mother.

"We lived in a cabin at the slave quarters and mother worked in the

broom cane. Mistress Hester named me Ford George, in derision, but

remained my friend. She was never angry with my mother. She knew a slave

had to submit to her master and besides Eliza did not know she was

Master Ford George's daughter."

The truth had been told at last. The master was both the father of Eliza

and the father of Eliza's son.

"Mistress Hester believed I would be feeble either in mind or body

because of my unsatisfactory birth, but I developed as other children

did and was well treated by Mistress Hester, Mistress Lorainne and her

children.

"Master Patent George died and Mistress Hester married Mr. Lam, while

slaves kept working at the rolling mills and amassing greater wealth for

the George families.

"Five years before the outbreak of the Civil War Mistress Hester called

all the slaves together and gave us our freedom. Courtney, my

grandmother, kept house for Mistress Lorainne and wanted to stay on, so

I too was kept at the George home. There was a sincere friendship as

great as the tie of blood between the white family and the slaves. My

mother married a negro ex-slave of Ford George and bore children for

him. Her health failed and when Mistress Puss, the only daughter of

Mistress Lorainne, learned she was ill she persuaded the Negro man to

sell his property and bring Eliza back to live with her."

[TR: in following section the name George 'Fordman' is used twice.]

"Why are you called George Fordman when your name is Ford George?" was

the question asked the old man.

"Then the Freedsmen started teaching school in Kentucky the census taker

called to enlist me as a pupil. 'What do you call this child?' he asked

Mistress Lorainne. 'We call him the Little Captain because he carried

himself like a soldier,' said Mistress Lorainne. 'He is the son of my

husband and a slave woman but we are rearing him.' Mistress Lorainne

told the stranger that I had been named Ford George in derision and he

suggested she list me in the census as George Fordsman, which she did,

but she never allowed me to attend the Freedmen's School, desiring to

keep me with her own children and let me be taught at home. My mother's

half brother, Patent George allowed his name to be reversed to George

Patent when he enlisted in the Union Service at the outbreak of the

Civil War."

Some customs prevalent in the earlier days were described by George

Fordman. "It was customary to conduct a funeral differently than it is

conducted now," he said. "I remember I was only six years old when old

Mistress Hester Lam passed on to her eternal rest. She was kept out of

her grave several days in order to allow time for the relatives, friends

and ex-slaves to be notified of her death.

"The house and yard were full of grieving friends. Finally the lengthy

procession started to the graveyard. Within the George's parlors there

had been Bible passages read, prayers offered up and hymns sung, now the

casket was placed in a wagon drawn by two horses. The casket was covered

with flowers while the family and friends rode in ox carts, horse-drawn

wagons, horseback, and with still many on foot they made their way

towards the river.

"When we reached the river there were many canoes busy putting the

people across, besides the ferry boat was in use to ferry vehicles over

the stream. The ex-slaves were crying and praying and telling how good

granny had been to all of them and explaining how they knew she had gone

straight to Heaven, because she was so kind--and a Christian. There were

not nearly enough boats to take the crowd across if they crossed back

and forth all day, so my mother, Eliza, improvised a boat or 'gunnel',

as the craft was called, by placing a wooden soap box on top of a long

pole, then she pulled off her shoes and, taking two of us small children

in her arms, she paddled with her feet and put us safely across the

stream. We crossed directly above Iaka, Livingston county, three miles

below Grand River.

"At the burying ground a great crowd had assembled from the neighborhood

across the river and there were more songs and prayers and much weeping.

The casket was let down into the grave without the lid being put on and

everybody walked up and looked into the grave at the face of the dead

woman. They called it the 'last look' and everybody dropped flowers on

Mistress Hester as they passed by. A man then went down and nailed on

the lid and the earth was thrown in with shovels. The ex-slaves filled

in the grave, taking turns with the shovel. Some of the men had worked

at the smelting furnaces so long that their hands were twisted and

hardened from contact with the heat. Their shoulders were warped and

their bodies twisted but they were strong as iron men from their years

of toil. When the funeral was over mother put us across the river on the

gunnel and we went home, all missing Mistress Hester.

"My cousin worked at Princeton, Kentucky, making shoes. He had never

been notified that he was free by the kind emancipation Mrs. Hester had

given to her slaves, and he came loaded with money to give to his white

folks. Mistress Lorainne told him it was his own money to keep or to

use, as he had been a free man several months.

"As our people, white and black and Indians, sat talking they related

how they had been warned of approaching trouble. Jack said the dogs had

been howling around the place for many nights and that always presaged a

death in the family. Jack had been compelled to take off his shoes and

turn them soles up near the hearth to prevent the howling of the dogs.

Uncle Robert told how he believed some of Mistress Hester's enemies had

planted a shrub near her door and planted it with a curse so that when

the shrub bloomed the old woman passed away. Then another man told how a

friend had been seen carrying a spade into his cousin's cabin and the

cousin had said, 'Daniel, what foh you brung that weapon into by [TR:

my?] cabin? That very spade will dig my grave,' and sure enough the

cousin had died and the same spade had been used in digging his grave.

"How my childish nature quailed at hearing the superstitions discussed,

I cannot explain. I have never believed in witchcraft nor spells, but I

remember my Indian grandmother predicted a long, cold winter when she

noticed the pelts of the coons and other furred creatures were

exceedingly heavy. When the breastbones of the fowls were strong and

hard to sever with the knife it was a sign of a hard, cold and snowy

winter. Another superstition was this: 'A green winter, a new

graveyard--a white winter, a green graveyard.'"

George Fortman relates how, when he accompanied two of his cousins into

the lowlands--there were very many Katy-dids in the trees--their voices

formed a nerve-racking orchestra and his cousin told him to tiptoe to

the trees and touch each tree with the tips of his fingers. This he did,

and for the rest of the day there was quiet in the forest.

"More than any other superstition entertained by the slave Negroes, the

most harmful was the belief on conjurors. One old Negro woman boiled a

bunch of leaves in an iron pot, boiled it with a curse and scattered the

tea therein brewed, and firmly believed she was bringing destruction to

her enemies. 'Wherever that tea is poured there will be toil and

troubles,' said the old woman.

"The religion of many slaves was mostly superstition. They feared to

break the Sabbath, feared to violate any of the Commandments, believing

that the wrath of God would follow immediately, blasting their lives.

"Things changed at the George homestead as they change everywhere," said

George Fortman. "When the Civil War broke out many slaves enlisted in

hopes of receiving freedom. The George Negroes were already free but

many thought it their duty to enlist and fight for the emancipation of

their fellow slaves. My mother took her family and moved away from the

plantation and worked in the broom cane. Soon she discovered she could

not make enough to rear her children and we were turned over to the

court to be bound out.

"I was bound out to David Varnell in Livingston County by order of Judge

Busch and I stayed there until I was fifteen years of age. My sister

learned that I was unhappy there and wanted to see my mother, so she

influenced James Wilson to take me into his home. Soon goodhearted Jimmy

Wilson took me to see Mother and I went often to see her."

Sometimes George would become stubborn and hard to control and then Mr.

Wilson administered chastisement. His wife could not bear to have the

boy punished. 'Don't hit him, Jimmie, don't kick him,' would say the

good Scotch woman, who was childless. 'If he does not obey me I will

whip him,' James Wilson would answer. So the boy learned the lesson of

obedience from the old couple and learned many lessons in thrift through

their examples.

"In 1883 I left the Wilson home and began working and trying to save

some money. River trade was prosperous and I became a 'Roustabout'. The

life of the roustabout varied some with the habits of the roustabout and

the disposition of the mate. We played cards, shot dice and talked to

the girls who always met the boats. The 'Whistling Coon' was a popular

song with the boatmen and one version of 'Dixie Land'. One song we often

sang when near a port was worded 'Hear the trumpet Sound'--

Hear the trumpet sound,

Stand up and don't sit down,

Keep steppin' 'round and 'round,

Come jine this elegant band.

If you don't step up and jine the bout,

Old Missus sure will fine it out,

She'll chop you in the head wid a golen ax,

You never will have to pay da tax,

Come jine the roust-a-bout band."

From roust-a-bout George became a cabin boy, cook, pilot, and held a

number of positions on boats, plowing different streams. There was much

wild game to be had and the hunting season was always open. He also

remembers many wolves, wild turkeys, catamounts and deer in abundance

near the Grand River. "Pet deer loafed around the milking pens and ate

the feed from the mangers" said he.

George Fortman is a professor of faith in Christ. He was baptized in

Concord Lake, seven miles from Clarksville, Tennessee, became a member

of the Pleasant Greene Church at Callwell, Kentucky and later a member

of the Liberty Baptist Church at Evansville.

"I have always kept in touch with my white folks, the George family,"

said the man, now feeble and blind. "Four years ago Mistress Puss died

and I was sent for but was not well enough to make the trip home."

Too young to fight in the Civil War, George was among those who watched

the work go on. "I lived at Smiths Landing and remember the battle at

Fort Donnelson. It was twelve miles away and a long cinder walk reached

from the fort for nearly thirty miles. The cinders were brought from the

iron ore mills and my mother and I have walked the length of it many

times." Still reviewing the long, dark trail he continued. "Boatloads of

soldiers passed Smith's Landing by day and night and the reports of

cannon could be heard when battles were fought. We children collected

Munnie balls near the fort for a long time after the war."

Although the George family never sold slaves or separated Negro

families, George Fortman has seen many boats loaded with slaves on the

way to slave marts. Some of the George Negroes were employed as pilots

on the boats. He also remembers slave sales where Negroes were auctioned

by auctioneers, the Negroes stripped of clothes to exhibit their

physique.

"I have always been befriended by three races of people, the Caucassian,

the African, and the Negro," declares George Fortman. "I have worked as

a farmer, a river man, and been employed by the Illinois Central

Railroad Company and in every position I have held I have made loyal

friends of my fellow workmen." One friend, treasured in the memory of

the aged ex-slave is Ollie James, who once defended George in court.

George Fortman has friends at Dauson Springs, Grayson Springs, and other

Kentucky resorts. He has been a citizen of Evansville for thirty-five

years and has had business connections here for sixty-two years. He

janitored for eleven years for the Lockyear Business College, but his

days of usefulness are over. He now occupies a room at Bellemeade Ave.

and Garvin St. and his only exercise consists of a stroll over to the

Lincoln High School. There he enjoys listening to the voices of the

pupils as they play about the campus. "They are free", he rejoices.

"They can build their own destinies, they did not arrive in this life by

births of unsatisfactory circumstances. They have the world before them

and my grandsons and granddaughters are among them."

Federal Writers' Project

of the W.P.A.

District #6

Marion County

Anna Pritchett

1200 Kentucky Avenue

FOLKLORE

JOHN HENRY GIBSON--EX-SLAVE

Colton Street

John Henry Gibson was born a slave, many years ago, in Scott County,

N.C.

His old master, John Henry Bidding, was a wealthy farmer; he also owned

the hotel, or rooming house.

When court was in session the "higher ups" would come to this house, and

stay until the court affairs were settled.

Mr. Bidding, who was very kind to his slaves, died when John Gibson was

very young. All slaves and other property passed on to the son, Joseph

Bidding, who in turn was as kind as his father had been.

Gibson's father belonged to General Lee Gibson, who was a neighboring

farmer. He saw and met Miss Elizabeth Bidding's maid; they liked each

other so very much, Miss Elizabeth bought him from General Gibson, and

let him have her maid as his wife. The wife lived only a short time,

leaving a little boy.

After the Civil war, a white man, by the name of Luster, was comming to

Ohio, brought John Gibson with him. They came to Indianapolis, and

Gibson liked it so well, he decided to remain; Mr. Luster told him if he

ever became dissatisfied to come on to Ohio to him, but he remained in

Indianapolis until 1872, then went back south, married, came back, and

made Indianapolis his home.

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