The note inclosed follows on y^e other side.[EI]

[244] Worthy & beloved S^r:

Your letter (with y^e questions inclosed) I have comunicated with our

Assistants, and we have refered y^e answer of them to such Rev[=e]^d

Elders as are amongst us, some of whose answers thertoo we have here

sent you inclosed, under their owne hands; from y^e rest we have not

yet received any. Our farr distance hath bene y^e reason of this long

delay, as also y^t they could not conferr their counsells togeather.

For our selves, (you know our breedings & abillities,) we rather

desire light from your selves, & others, whom God hath better inabled,

then to presume to give our judgments in cases so difficulte and of so

high a nature. Yet under correction, and submission to better

judgments, we propose this one thing to your prudent considerations.

As it seems to us, in y^e case even of willfull murder, that though a

man did smite or wound an other, with a full pourpose or desire to

kill him, (w^ch is murder in a high degree, before God,) yet if he

did not dye, the magistrate was not to take away y^e others life.[EJ]

So by proportion in other grosse & foule sines, though high attempts &

nere approaches to y^e same be made, and such as in the sight &

account of God may be as ill as y^e accomplishmente of y^e foulest

acts of y^t sine, yet we doute whether it may be safe for y^e

magistrate to proceed to death; we thinke, upon y^e former grounds,

rather he may not. As, for instance, in y^e case of adultrie, (if it

be admitted y^t it is to be punished w^{th} death, which to some of us

is not cleare,) if y^e body be not actually defiled, then death is not

to be inflicted. So in sodomie, & beastialitie, if ther be not

penetration. Yet we confess foulnes of circomstances, and frequencie

in y^e same, doth make us remaine in y^e darke, and desire further

light from you, or any, as God shall give.

As for y^e 2. thing, concerning y^e Ilanders? we have no conversing

with them, nor desire to have, furder then necessitie or humanity may

require.

And as for trade? we have as farr as we could ever therin held an

orderly course, & have been sory to see y^e spoyle therof by others,

and fear it will hardly be recovered. But in these, or any other

things which may concerne y^e co[=m]one good, we shall be willing to

advise & concure with you in what we may. Thus w^{th} my love

remembered to your selfe, and y^e rest of our worthy friends, your

Assistants, I take leave, & rest,

Your loving friend,

W. B.

Plim: 17. 3. month, 1642.

Now follows y^e ministers answers. And first Mr. Reynors.

Qest: What sodmiticall acts are to be punished with death, & what very

facte (ipso facto) is worthy of death, or, if y^e fact it selfe be not

capitall, what circomstances concurring may make it capitall?

Ans: In y^e judiciall law (y^e moralitie wherof concerneth us) it is

manyfest y^t carnall knowledg of man, or lying w^{th} man, as with

woman, cum penetratione corporis, was sodomie, to be punished with

death; what els can be understood by Levit: 18. 22. & 20. 13. & Gen: 19.

5? 2^ly. It seems allso y^t this foule sine might be capitall, though

ther was not penitratio corporis, but only contactus & fricatio us[q~]

ad effusionem seminis, for these reasons: [245] 1. Because it was sin to

be punished with death, Levit. 20. 13. in y^e man who was lyen withall,

as well as in him y^t lyeth with him; now his sin is not mitigated wher

ther is not penitration, nor augmented wher it is; wheras its charged

upon y^e women, y^t they were guilty of this unnaturall sine, as well as

men, Rom. 1. 26. 27. Y^e same thing doth furder apeare, 2. because of

y^t proportion betwexte this sin & beastialitie, wherin if a woman did

stand before, or aproach to, a beast, for y^t end, to lye downe therto,

(whether penetration was or not,) it was capitall, Levit: 18. 23. & 20.

16. 3^{ly}. Because something els might be equivalent to penetration

wher it had not been, viz. y^e fore mentioned acts with frequencie and

long continuance with a high hand, utterly extinguishing all light of

nature; besids, full intention and bould attempting of y^e foulest acts

may seeme to have been capitall here, as well as coming presumptuously

to slay with guile was capitall. Exod: 21. 14.

Yet it is not so manyfest y^t y^e same acts were to be punished with

death in some other sines of uncleannes, w^ch yet by y^e law of God were

capitall crimes; besids other reasons, (1.) because sodomie, & also

beastialitie, is more against y^e light of nature then some other

capitall crimes of unclainnes, which reason is to be attended unto, as

y^t which most of all made this sin capitall; (2.) because it might be

co[=m]ited with more secrecie & less suspition, & therfore needed y^e

more to be restrained & suppresed by y^e law; (3^ly) because ther was

not y^e like reason & degree of si[=n]ing against family & posteritie in

this sin as in some other capitall sines of uncleannes.

2. Quest: How farr a magistrate may extracte a confession from a

delinquente, to acuse him selfe of a capitall crime, seeing Nemo tenetur

prodere seipsum.

Ans: A majestrate cannot without sin neglecte diligente inquision into

y^e cause brought before him. Job 29. 16. Pro: 24. 11. 12. & 25. 2.

(2^ly.) If it be manifest y^t a capitall crime is committed, & y^t

comone reporte, or probabilitie, suspition, or some complainte, (or y^e

like,) be of this or y^t person, a magistrate ought to require, and by

all due means to procure from y^e person (so farr allready bewrayed) a

naked confession of y^e fact, as apears by y^t which is morall & of

perpetuall equitie, both in y^e case of uncertaine murder, Deut: 21. 1.

9. and slander, Deut: 22. 13. 21; for though nemo tenetur prodere

seipsum, yet by that w^ch may be known to y^e magistrat by y^e forenamed

means, he is bound thus to doe, or els he may betray his countrie &

people to y^e heavie displeasure of God, Levit: 18. 24. 25. Jos: 22. 18.

Psa: 106. 30; such as are i[=n]ocente to y^e sinfull, base, cruell lusts

of y^e profane, & such as are delinquents, and others with them, into

y^e hands of y^e stronger temptations, & more bouldness, & hardnes of

harte, to co[=m]ite more & worse villany, besids all y^e guilt & hurt he

will bring upon him selfe. (3^ly.) To inflicte some punishmente meerly

for this reason, to extracte a conffession of a capitall crime, is

contrary to y^e nature of vindictive justice, which always hath respecte

to a kno[=w] crime co[=m]itited by y^e person punished; and it will

therfore, for any thing which can before be knowne, be y^e provocking

and forcing of wrath, compared to y^e wringing of y^e nose, Pro: 30. 33.

which is as well forbiden y^e fathers of y^e countrie as of y^e family,

Ephe. 6. 4. as produsing many sad & dangerous effects. That an oath (ex

officio) for such a purpose is no due means, hath been abundantly proved

by y^e godly learned, & is well known.

Q. 3. In what cases of capitall crimes one witnes with other

circomstances shall be sufficiente to convince? or is ther no conviction

without 2. witneses?

Ans: In taking away y^e life of man, one witnes alone will not suffice,

ther must be tow, or y^t which is instar; y^e texts are manifest, Numb:

35. 30. Deut: 17. 6. & 19. 15. 2^ly. Ther may be conviction by one

witnes, & some thing y^t hath y^e force of another, as y^e evidencie of

y^e fact done by such an one, & not an other; unforced confession when

ther was no fear or danger of suffering for y^e fact, hand writings

acknowledged & confessed.

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