THE PRESIDENT: We would like to hear from Col. Van Duzee, and I want to

say that, as President of the National Nut Growers Association, he is

well acquainted with these things. I commend him to you and promise that

whatever he may have to say to you is worthy of your very careful

consideration. I have the honor to belong to the association of which he

is the president, and know it is seldom we have an opportunity to hear

men like him.

COL. VAN DUZEE: Gentlemen, I am going to side step this argument for I

do not think it worth while taking up the time. We are here for other

purposes. Personal experiences are not the general rule because each

one's experience differs from that of others. We might all tell our

personal experiences and after we were all through we would not have

accomplished anything. I want to take you back to the point from which

we started this, in order to know what we are talking about. To

illustrate what I want to say to you, we can take the root pasture of a

tree and analyze it in every possible way so as to bring to bear upon it

the best judgment we have from all sources. The tree grown upon a

hillside has a root pasture which is entirely different in many ways

from the root pasture in the river bottoms. If we have a tree growing on

a hillside in a soil that easily transmits moisture and it gives that

tree constantly a stream of pure water going through its root system,

and there happens to be enough fertility in that vicinity, that moisture

is impregnated with plant food, and the tree will get all it wants. You

can't speak in the same breath of the tree growing in the river bottoms

whose entire root pasture is entirely different. The root pasture may

become contaminated by various things which may cause, so to speak,

ptomaine poison. Therefore I say that every locality, every soil, every

climatic condition, every variety of tree must be taken as individual.

What would be good for an apple orchard in Virginia might be fatal to an

apple orchard immediately south of Lake Brie in Ohio. The use of

commercial fertilizer that would be good in one locality would be bad in

another. Therefore I disapprove of this kind of a discussion, because we

are not speaking to a definite point. I want to bring your minds to this

point, that every individual tree and its locality, and the man that is

responsible for its welfare, must be analyzed before you can speak

intelligently about what must be done.

I am going to tell you the same story I told the societies at Pharoa,

Alabama. They wanted me to talk on this subject and I said, "You remind

me of a backwoods character I have come in contact with in the woods of

Florida who is ill and doesn't know what is the matter with him. He

knows he needs medicine and he goes down to the general store and buys a

bottle of patent medicine recommended by the groceryman and he takes it

and maybe it helps him and maybe it don't, but if he don't get better he

goes and gets advice from some other man like the grocer." I said, "That

is the way you are demonstrating fertilizer." The first thing I would

advise would be this: to analyze the individual pasture of the

individual tree and take everything that enters into the history of that

tree and everything that bears upon it. All the accumulated wisdom of

others won't help us very much. We have to use common horse sense. We

can't talk about these things generally. In poor soil and under bad

conditions the pecan tree will do nothing. There are trees I know

twenty-six or twenty-seven years old that are not as large as my wrist,

that have never borne a nut and never will. I can also show you trees in

that immediate vicinity, planted at the same time from the same nuts

with favorable conditions, that are seventy or eighty feet high and

bearing good crops of nuts. Those nuts came out of the same bag the same

day, and were planted by the same man in the same locality, and that

proves, as I have said before, that you cannot discuss things of this

kind in general terms and it is a waste of the time of the association

to do so. I would be glad to answer definite questions as to definite

points.

THE PRESIDENT. The next will be a talk by Dr. R. T. Morris of New York.

DR. MORRIS: Mr. Chairman, and Members of the Association: My subject

relates to personal experiences with hybridization work. This is work

which is to be done more and more by various members of our association,

and we are thus to create new species of trees. Nature's whole endeavor

is to preserve the mean type among races of organisms. There are mutants

among all trees, among the hickories and walnuts, as well as among the

peaches and pears. In fact all species undergo mutation. We select the

most desirable mutants and we try to fix a given type by grafting and

propagating. Seedlings will go back toward the mean type. The mean type

hickory, walnut or chestnut is the type that nature wishes to preserve,

but these are not best for man's purposes. What is best in nature's plan

is not always best in man's plan. We have got to dynamite nature. We

have got to put a charge of dynamite under nature's seat and blow her

up, in order to get what we want for our own purposes. How do we do it?

How do we break up the mean type of a variety or species? By crossing

the flowers and bringing together the parents we wish to unite in the

hope of growing new forms, among which will be some that are

particularly desirable for our purposes.

Now in doing this work, I have had to get by experience a number of

points which will be of value to members of this association. First, in

regard to collecting pollen. Sometimes species, which we wish to cross,

flower at widely different times. They bloom perhaps two or three or

four or even six weeks apart, and it is a question how long we can keep

the pollen viable. What can we do about it? There are two good ways.

First, get your branches of male flowers before they are open, put them

in cold storage, or in an ice house, or in a dark room, and keep them

anywhere from one to six weeks dormant. When you want to use them, and

your trees of the pistillate flowers are ready, take the branches of

staminate flowers out of the ice house and put them in jars of water in

a warm room in the sunshine. They will blossom and make good pollen

shortly. Another way is through correspondents living at a distance.

These correspondents will send you pollen from a species which blossoms

later further north or earlier further south, at the time which you wish

for your pistillate flowers. For instance, in crossing chinkapins with

oaks, the chinkapins will blossom about the 12th of June in Connecticut

but most of the oaks are through blossoming by the 12th of May. There we

have a month's difference. How can I use oak pollen upon my chinkapin

trees? I do this by sending away up to the northern limits of the growth

of the oak tree, up in Canada. The red oak tree blossoms there in June,

the same species that blossoms with me early in May. Pecan pollen that I

wish to use upon shagbarks and walnuts I get from Texas. Now how are we

to keep pollen when we have collected it, if we are not ready to use it

immediately? I have had pollen sent to me from a distance in tightly

corked bottles. It was probably ruined at the end of three or four days,

because it could not breathe. Every grain of pollen has to breathe just

as surely as a red squirrel in the top of a tree has to breathe. The

pollen grain is a living organism, and if it is sent in a closely corked

bottle it smothers and dies. You must have it sent in paper or wooden

boxes in order to have it in good condition when it arrives, and it must

be kept in a cool place, not too dry and not too damp. If it is kept in

a place that is too damp, various fungi appear, and begin to attack it

at once. If it is too dry, it loses its water content, and its

protoplasm does not make combination with that of the other flower. So

we must keep our pollen in a cool place, not too dry, not too warm and

not too moist, and where it can breathe. We may put it in cold storage

but not at a temperature below freezing. We may put it into the cold

storage which florists use, and keep it for a long while. Some pollen

will keep, viable for three weeks, under these conditions, possibly

longer. It is important to keep your pollen boxes open at the top. They

must be kept where the wind doesn't blow your pollen from one box to

another. I had not been impressed by that point until this year. I had

eight different kinds of pollen about the farm house, in different

rooms, in order to be sure to keep them far apart. One day on my arrival

from town ready for pollenating a number of trees, I found that a very

neat housekeeper had found it undesirable to keep such boxes scattered

about in so many places. She had put them all neatly together in a

closet on one shelf, and there was none of the pollen that I could use,

because the wind had mixed the kinds all up. I had eight kinds of pollen

across which one kind of wind had blown.

There is one practical point in cross pollenizing flowers that I have

recently learned. Pollen of one variety may not combine with the ovule

of another variety or species but may stimulate the ovule to go on and

develop all alone, without taking to itself the added pollen. That is a

very important point, and possibly a new point. I was deceived, and

reported that I had crosses of certain trees, and that such hybrids were

growing. I knew that the flowers of parent trees had been properly

protected from their own pollen. Now when these young trees are two

years of age, I find they are true to one parent type; so true that they

are evidently not hybrids. They have developed from the pistillate

parent only. In ordinary parthenogenesis the fruit grows without any

pollen influence at all. This forced parthenogenesis which I have

described seems to be a phenomenon with which botanists are unfamiliar.

Until I learn that it has been described and named by others I shall

call it Allergic Parthenogenesis (Allos, ergon). The pistillate flowers

accept absolutely no pollen, but go on and develop because of its

impulse given. In cross pollenizing flowers, I find one point of great

practical consequence. When covering the female flowers with paper bags

to protect them from their own pollen you give protection to a great

number of insects. The insects remain inside these bags and destroy the

leaves and flowers. They are protected there from their enemies,

predatory insects and the birds. When the bags are taken off, perhaps a

week later, for the purpose of adding pollen to pistillate flowers,

insects may have destroyed the leaves and even the flowers.

Consequently, I find it best to sprinkle the leaves with Persian insect

powder and to put some of it in the bags that are to cover the flowers.

Insects can't live in an atmosphere of this insect powder. They sneeze

themselves to death. I have taken the bags from leaves and flowers which

were so badly injured by insects you could distinguish them at a

considerable distance. Those are all the points that I jotted down for

this address today, but no doubt many other points will be brought out

in the subsequent discussion.

MR. MCCOY: I would like to inquire how far it is possible under a

microscopic examination to determine the species of the pollen.

DR. MORRIS: It is possible to determine the species but not the variety

so far as I know. It may be possible to determine a variety but I don't

know the extent to which that is possible, from microscopic examination

of the pollen. If we wish to know whether pollen is still good or not we

may in twenty-four or forty-eight hours cause it to "sprout," and in

that way know whether it is viable and good. We may save ourselves a

good deal of trouble by making this examination and determining whether

or not a given lot of pollen is viable before putting it on the flowers.

We can cause it to sprout in a sugar solution.

THE SECRETARY: What is the strength of the sugar solution?

DR. MORRIS: That is technical work and must be done by a plant

physiologist. He will do it for us at the State Agricultural College and

telegraph his report.

MR. DORR: Is this work you have outlined of sufficient definiteness to

get results? That is the important thing. We farmers sometimes discover

a plan accidentally that will outclass anything we can get in an

agricultural college.

DR. MORRIS: That is very important. We are to produce nuts that are

better, and also in greater quantities. The question if hybridizing work

is valuable has been already answered in the case of roses and soft

fruits. Our best types are largely the ones which have been secured by

hybridization and the same will be true of nuts. The subject has not

been so largely taken up as yet with nuts. Very few of us are doing with

nuts what has been done with other fruits.

THE PRESIDENT: The chair wishes to say that the members of this

association have a very great and rare opportunity to secure information

on this subject. Dr. Morris has made a very careful study of it.

DR. MORRIS: The more study I make, the less I seem to know. Consequently

I shall be very modest in my replies.

MR. DORR: I have been working with different things and find so many

things I can't get at the truth. In the last year I have made

experiments in breeding cattle to get colors, and I was agreeably

surprised with my own success. I want to know if you can get similar

results. I can observe the results so readily that I know exactly how I

get them.

DR. MORRIS: As a general statement the same thing you get from working

with animals we may expect to get in working with plants. The protoplasm

of plants is now known to act like that of animals, but not quite so

quickly or freely in response to cultural methods. We can breed to size

and breed to quality and character of fruit, and we find we may do with

plants just about what we do with animals, only not quite so quickly,

because animal protoplasm responds more readily.

MR. W. C. REED: I would like to ask if in a cross between the Persian

walnut and the shagbark hickory there is a cross pollenization, or is it

an increased vitality given by the pollen? Is there really a cross

there?

DR. MORRIS: I made one cross between the Persian walnut and the shagbark

hickory that was evidently a good hybrid. It showed character of both

parents, but I lost that entire lot. I wasn't careful enough in

protecting them. I have another lot of crosses between these two flowers

in which the type often is so definitely shagbark hickory that I doubt

if there is any walnut there at all. Under certain conditions we may get

hybrids, yet miss it at another time, even when working with the same

parents. Somebody has probably made a better study of this point and

recorded better ideas. I think we may safely say that we may expect an

actual cross between some walnuts and hickories.

MR. MCCOY: Would it be possible to cross the English walnut and the

black walnut and produce a nut of superior quality?

DR. MORRIS: Yes, it is possible to cross them, but you do not often get

a nut of superior quality. The tendency seems to be to have a nut of

thick shell and of not high quality, but if you make a thousand of those

crosses, out of the thousand you may get a few of just what you want.

PROFESSOR CLOSE: I want to ask if you are always careful to apply the

pollen when it is well ripened?

DR. MORRIS: Yes, I have always been careful to apply it at just the time

when it was well ripened, and that is of great importance in its bearing

upon Mr. Reed's question. If I have pollen which is quite ripe I may

perhaps catch it upon an ovule, but if it is not ripe I won't got the

cross. I may add it a little too early or too late when the pistillate

flower is unprepared and I won't get a cross. If I get my pollen just at

the right time upon the pistillate flowers I may have a good cross,

between varieties which do not cross readily.

PROFESSOR CLOSE: In my experience in breeding apples, formerly I always

waited until the pollen was ripe, and that meant I had to cover the

blossoms with bags and depend on the weather for conditions favorable to

pollenation. But four or five years ago I began pollenating much earlier

and I have had good results.

DR. MORRIS: That is a very important point.

PROFESSOR CLOSE: By doing that I know it is pollenated. I have been

failing so many years I felt it was a loss of all the first part of the

work.

DR. MORRIS: It is a great convenience to be able to pollenate at the

same moment when you emasculate.

A MEMBER: I would like to have you kindly explain to what extent cross

pollenation can be made practical to the ordinary grower.

DR. MORRIS: Let's say that in case of the butternut we wish to

experiment with removal of the thick shell, and also to obtain less of

that strong oily flavor; we wish to get rid of those two things. In

order to do that I would first think of the Japanese walnut, _juglans

cordiformis_, which has a much thinner shell and is less oily and more

bland. Crosses between this Japanese walnut and the butternut we may

fairly expect will sometimes give us a large, thin shelled butternut of

good character. The next question is, who is going to do it? The men

about my place are pretty busy, and this is rather delicate work. It is

going to be a most inspiring field for the young folks and the ladies,

because it is nice, pretty, ladylike work, and beside that its returns

may be large. If your little daughter, ten years of age, knows that she

may get $2,000 for a single cross that she has made, it is stimulating,

because it is not every child ten years of age who can put $2,000 in the

bank, as personal earnings of increment.

MR. MOSELY: I would like to ask just what results you expect from the

cross pollenization of these nuts, and just how far they will differ

from the parent type?

DR. MORRIS: You are bound to have continuance of one parent type, but in

crossing with pollen from hybrids you may carry desirable

characteristics through a series of generations and breed for what is

wanted, possibly to the sixth generation or even further with some

species.

MR. MOSELY: Then the type is not fixed until pollenization?

DR. MORRIS: By selecting the one showing the dominant characteristics

you wish to preserve, you could breed through several generations and

have an ideal type eventually.

MR. DOAN: I would like to ask how far the buds are developed in cold

storage before the pollen can be used?

DR. MORRIS: For instance, take the hazel when its catkins are just

beginning to elongate. It may be put in the ice house and kept there,

for two or three weeks dormant. When we wish to develop those flowers we

put the branches in a jar of water in a warm room and in about three

days the plants are shedding pollen. I got some hazel catkins this

spring that were elongating. It was the latter part of February when we

had one or two warm days and I believed my pistillate hazels were about

ready for pollen. I got those branches from Rochester. We had unexpected

cold weather and storms and my pistillate hazels did not bloom until

more than two weeks later. I kept these undeveloped catkins that I had

received in a cold dark place. When I wanted to use them I put them in a

jar of water and in less than three days they were shedding pollen

freely, at a time when my pistillate flowers were ready for pollen.

MR. MOSELY: I would like to know the object in crossing the oak on the

chinkapin.

DR. MORRIS: My idea is to get a chinkapin tree twice as large as an oak,

perhaps. I shall hope to have a chinkapin tree as sturdy as the red oak,

with nuts larger than acorns and of as good quality as the chinkapin

nut. Of course that extravagant possibility only appeals to one with a

speculative nature.

THE PRESIDENT: Pursuant to the authority conferred on the President this

morning, the following committees are announced:

On Nomination--Robert T. Morris, Chairman: C. P. Close, J. L. Doan, R.

T. Olcott, C. A. Reed.

Exhibits--Prof. C. P. Close, Chairman; J. P. Wilkinson, E. A. Riehl,

Colonel Sober, W. C Reed.

Resolutions--W. O. Potter, Chairman; H. R. Weber, J. Russell Smith.

The chair also wishes to place an additional member on the membership

committee, in the place of Mr. Corsan, who has not been able to attend

the last two meetings, and will appoint Leon D. Batchellor of Utah.

Committee on Revision of Constitution and Rules--Prof. C. P. Close, Dr.

W. C. Deming.

I will also add to the committee on nomenclature C. A. Reed and R. L.

McCoy.

THE PRESIDENT: We have a few minutes before time for adjournment and Mr.

Evans, a dynamite man, will speak to us.

MR. EVANS: Mr. Chairman: The question arises as to what kind of dynamite

to use in the different soils. Most pecan land contains clay and can

best be worked by dynamite. Don't buy ordinary dynamite, because it is

too high an explosive. For several reasons it is not the kind of an

explosive you wish. In some places dynamite can hardly be put on the

market as many people are afraid of it and so the word dynamite has been

eliminated, and we now have what we call Red Cross Farm Powder. It will

work in any part of the country, it is not a high explosive and the

price is lower as the hardware dealers have it direct from the Dupont

companies. By using this Red Cross Farm Powder, less labor is required

and it doesn't cost very much. For labor and all it will cost you about

five cents per hole, and that includes the dynamite caps, fuse and

labor.

PROFESSOR SMITH: How much do you use?

MR. EVANS: That depends on the soil and also on the depth to which you

want to shoot the hole. Nurserymen have different opinions on that

subject, but in the southern field where I have been working they

usually go from two and a half to three feet deep. They use one-half

stick 20 per cent dynamite, or one quarter of a pound as it weighs two

sticks to the pound. That should make a hole two and a half or three

feet deep. Fuse is cheap and you should use plenty of it. A man has to

be governed always by the kind of soil he is dealing with.

MR. POMEROY: In shooting an old apple orchard how deep would you go?

MR. EVANS: Where I have been working from three and a half to four feet,

but as I said before it will depend largely on the soil.

MR. POMEROY: How far from the body of the tree?

MR. EVANS: I have never made a study of that.

MR. POTTER: In limestone soil, for instance, built up with clay, how

near the trees would you use the dynamite if you want to loosen up the

soil?

MR. EVANS: What kind of trees?

MR. POTTER: Pecan.

MR. EVANS: About six feet. I think that is close enough.

MR. POTTER: Would you make more than one hole around the tree?

MR. EVANS: Use your own judgment about that.

MR. POTTER: How far out will it loosen or break up the ground?

MR. EVANS: Probably six feet. You can distinguish on the top of the

ground where it takes place.

MR. POTTER: How deep will it be?

MR. EVANS: About a foot deeper than the charge is placed.

THE SECRETARY: With me the most important thing in using dynamite is the

question of headache. I used the 20 per cent at first and it had no

effect. I had heard of its causing headaches and knew some people

couldn't use it but I thought I was immune. Then I began to use 70 or 80

per cent and I got knocked out for twenty-four hours. The more I used it

the more susceptible I became. When I went back to handling the lower

percentages I got the same results, was completely knocked out and had

to go to bed. Sometimes the effect would come on a long time after I

used the dynamite, perhaps hours afterwards, and the headache would

increase, until I was intensely nauseated and had to give up entirely.

Is there anything to prevent that? Is it caused by the fumes after the

explosion?

MR. EVANS: Some say it is from handling the dynamite, others say it is

the fumes after the explosion. Red Cross has ammonia in it and that

ought to help some. Dynamite contains nitro glycerine and if you handle

it bare handed it gets in the pores of the skin and causes rapid heart

action. In dynamiting holes for tree planting you will get the fumes and

you will get a headache. If a man could work with gloves on he could

avoid this to a very great extent. You can't do it easily but if you can

do it without taking off the gloves I don't think it would bother you

much. I neglected to state that dynamite by itself is not dangerous

because it will withstand shock or fire or anything like that. The

danger is in the cap. It contains the most powerful explosive known. If

you handle them carefully, there is absolutely no danger. This year we

are slipping little copper disks into the caps with a pin hole for the

fire to strike through.

MR. HARGIS: I have difficulty in making the shots. Should you put your

cap at the bottom or the top of the stick?

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