Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes, they turned him around.
Mr. BELIN. Did they turn just one man around or all of them?
Mr. SCOGGINS. No; they had them all.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if the number 3 man in the lineup was
wearing the same clothes that the man you saw at the Tippit shooting
wore?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had on a different shirt, and he didn't have a jacket
on. He had on kind of a polo shirt.
Mr. BELIN. Before you went to view the lineup, did any of the police
officers show you a picture of this man?
Mr. SCOGGINS. No.
Mr. BELIN. Sometime later, after the lineup, did any investigator come
up to you with a picture of anyone and ask you if you could identify
him?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was an FBI man or a Dallas policeman
or a Secret Service agent?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He was an FBI or a Secret Service.
Mr. BELIN. What did he ask you and what did you tell him?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He gave me some pictures, showed me several pictures
there, which was, some of them were, pretty well resembled him,
and some of them didn't, and they looked like they was kind of old
pictures, and I think I picked the wrong picture. I am not too----
Mr. BELIN. What did he say to you and what did you say to him, if you
remember?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I don't really--I know he showed me his credentials.
Mr. BELIN. Did he say to you something like "These are pictures we have
of Lee Harvey Oswald"? Did he use that name in front of you, or did he
say, "Here are some pictures. See if you can identify them"--if you
remember?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I don't remember, but after I got through looking at them
and everything, and I says, I told them one of these two pictures is
him, out of this group he showed me, and the one that was actually him
looked like an older man than he was to me. Of course, I am not too
much on identifying pictures. It wasn't a full shot of him, you know,
and then he told me the other one was Oswald.
Representative FORD. Had you narrowed the number of pictures from more
than two to two?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes.
Representative FORD. In other words, they showed you pictures of how
many people altogether, how many different people, your best estimate?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I would say 4 or 5.
Representative FORD. And you narrowed the number of 4 or 5 down to 2?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Down to two; yes.
Mr. BELIN. Mr. Scoggins, at the time of the shooting, did you see any
pedestrians standing at the corner of East 10th and Patton, any of the
corners there?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I didn't see anybody. I was kind of excited.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see any other person walking along the street there?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Not at the time of the shooting, I didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything you can think of that you haven't told
us here that might be relevant to what you saw in connection with the
Tippit shooting?
Mr. SCOGGINS. No, I can't--nothing that I know of. That is the first
time I ever seen anything like that happen, and I was pretty well
excited and mixed up, and not knowing what to do or what not to do. But
actually, of course, right after the shooting, I saw a number of people
come running over, you see, from everywhere.
Mr. BELIN. Were they all men?
Mr. SCOGGINS. No, they were just people.
Mr. BELIN. General Carr, do you have any questions?
Mr. CARR. No, sir. I was exploring with him, but I guess we won't get
into it.
Mr. BELIN. Those are all the questions I have. Just a second. When
you saw a picture in the morning paper of Lee Harvey Oswald, did this
look similar to the man you saw at the Tippit shooting, or did it look
different?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I would say similar; yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did it look like the same man?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes.
Representative FORD. What kind of eyesight do you have?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I had my eyes examined when I went to work for the cab
company and the lady said I had remarkable eyesight. You know, they
have--after I went to work, after a while, I had to go get my eyes
examined.
Representative FORD. You had your eyes examined subsequent to your
employment with the cab company?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, it was sometime after, maybe 6 months after.
Mr. DULLES. How many years ago was that?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Oh, about a year, approximately.
Representative FORD. At that time what did the eye examiner tell you?
Mr. SCOGGINS. She said I had excellent eyesight and vision.
Representative FORD. You don't wear glasses?
Mr. SCOGGINS. No.
Representative FORD. What about your hearing?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I can hear. I got good hearing. I never did have it
examined or anything, but I can hear everything.
Representative FORD. Have you ever had any difficulty with the law,
have you ever had any trouble with officers of the law?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I got a ticket for parking that I had to pay.
Representative FORD. That is a traffic violation.
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes. No; I really haven't had any problems that amount to
anything otherwise than traffic violations.
Representative FORD. Nothing other than traffic violations?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, I was picked up one time in New York City for
stowing away on a tugboat.
Mr. BELIN. Stowing away on a boat?