Mr. BELIN. You are pointing on Exhibit 361 to the place that you have
marked with "B."
Mr. BAKER. And I was looking westward which would be in this direction.
Mr. BELIN. By that, you are pointing down the entrance to the freeway
and kind of what I will call the peninsula of the park there?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Toward the triple underpass.
Representative BOGGS. Where is the underpass?
Mr. BAKER. The underpass is down here. This is really Elm Street, and
this would be Main and Commerce and they all come together here, and
there is a triple overpass.
Representative BOGGS. Right.
Mr. BAKER. At this point, I looked down here as I was parking my
motorcycle and these people on this ground here, on the sidewalk, there
were several of them falling, and they were rolling around down there,
and all these people were rushing back, a lot of them were grabbing
their children, and I noticed one, I didn't know who he was, but there
was a man ran out into the crowd and back.
Mr. BELIN. Did you notice anything else?
Mr. BAKER. Except there was a woman standing--well, all these people
were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that
man, they have shot that man."
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Now, you are on Exhibit 361, and you are pointing to people along the
area or bordering the entrance to that expressway and that bit of land
lying to the west and north, as to where you describe these people, is
that correct?
Mr. BAKER. That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Would you mark where the overpass would be, right at the
end of those lines, just so we get oriented on it.
Mr. BELIN. I am trying to see down here.
Mr. DULLES. I just wanted to get a general idea.
Mr. BELIN. On Exhibit 361, sir, it wouldn't show but it basically would
be off in this direction coming down this way. The entrance to the
freeway would go down here and the overpass would roughly be down here.
Mr. DULLES. As far as that?
Mr. BELIN. Yes, sir; I think Mr. Redlich is going to get a picture that
will better describe it.
Mr. DULLES. All right.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Is there anything else you saw there, Officer Baker, before you ran to
the building?
Mr. BAKER. No, sir; not at that time.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Then what did you do after surveying the situation?
Mr. BAKER. I had it in mind that the shots came from the top of this
building here.
Mr. BELIN. By this building, you are referring to what?
Mr. BAKER. The Book Depository Building.
Mr. BELIN. Go on.
Representative BOGGS. You were parked right in front of the Building?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir; ran right straight to it.
Representative BOGGS. Right.
Let me ask you a question. How far away, approximately, were these
people who were running and falling and so forth from the entrance to
the Building?
Mr. BAKER. Well, now, let me say this. From this position here.
Mr. BELIN. That is position "B" on Exhibit 361?
Mr. BAKER. There were people running all over this here.
Mr. BELIN. And you are pointing to the street and the parkway all in
front of the School Building?
Mr. BAKER. You see, it looked to me like there were maybe 500 or 600
people in this area here.
Representative BOGGS. Yes.
Mr. BAKER. As those shots rang out, why they started running, you know,
every direction, just trying to get back out of the way.
Mr. DULLES. For the record, by this area right here, you have that
little peninsula between the Elm Street extension and the Building?
Mr. BAKER. That is right. This little street runs down in front of the
building down here to the property of the railroad tracks and this is
all a parkway.
Mr. DULLES. Yes. I just wanted to get it for the record.
Mr. BELIN. You then ran into the Building, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER. That is correct, sir.
Mr. BELIN. What did you see and what did you do as you ran into the
Building?
Mr. BAKER. As I entered this building, there was, it seems to me like
there was outside doors and then there is a little lobby.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BAKER. And then there are some inner doors and another door you
have to go through, a swinging door type.
As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered. And I
asked, I just spoke out and asked where the stairs or elevator was, and
this man, Mr. Truly, spoke up and says, it seems to me like he says, "I
am a building manager. Follow me, officer, and I will show you." So we
immediately went out through the second set of doors, and we ran into
the swinging door.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Now, during the course of running into the swinging door, did you bump
into the back of Mr. Truly?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BELIN. Then what happened?
Mr. BAKER. We finally backed up and got through that little swinging
door there and we kind of all ran, not real fast but, you know, a good
trot, to the back of the Building, I was following him.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Then what did you do?
Mr. BAKER. We went to the northwest corner, we was kind of on the, I
would say, the southeast corner of the Building there where we entered
it, and we went across it to the northwest corner which is in the rear,
back there.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BAKER. And he was trying to get that service elevator down there.
Mr. BELIN. All right. What did you see Mr. Truly do?
Mr. BAKER. He ran over there and pushed the button to get it down.
Mr. BELIN. Did the elevator come down after he pushed the button?
Mr. BAKER. No, sir; it didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did he do?