Mr. BELIN. That is Mr. O. V. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out
for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate
at several places around there.
It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory.
As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't
be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and
watch the President come by.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from
the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few
minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side
of Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. I hand you what has been marked Commission Exhibit 495, and
ask you to state, if you know, what this is.
Mr. TRULY. This is the front entrance to our building.
Mr. BELIN. In what direction would the camera be pointing?
Mr. TRULY. Almost straight out from it. It would not be--well, it could
be on a little angle.
Mr. BELIN. I mean would the camera be pointing east, west, north, or
south?
Mr. TRULY. North.
Mr. BELIN. And the camera would be pointing north on Exhibit 495.
I wonder if on that exhibit you would put the place where you and Mr.
Campbell first stood, and mark that with the letter "A" if you would.
Mr. TRULY. The street curved there, I suppose. I think possibly along
here somewheres.
Mr. BELIN. You have marked a letter "A" on Exhibit 495. Now, I believe
you said that afterwards you went and moved out towards the street, is
that correct?
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. I am going to put up on the board Commission Exhibit No.
361. The bottom of the picture is relatively north, sir.
And the top faces roughly south.
And here is the Texas School Book Depository Building--located at
Houston and Elm.
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. I wonder if you could put on Exhibit 361 with the letter "T"
the spot at which you were standing when you moved to a closer position
to watch the motorcade.
Mr. TRULY. I could be off a few feet, but I believe possibly over this
way just a bit--that is within 3 or 4 or 5 feet of this area.
We were almost out in this. And I think when the motorcade came around,
we probably pushed out even a bit farther.
Mr. BELIN. Now, by this, you are referring to the entrance to the
parkway, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And you say that you are either at the spot marked by the
letter "T" or perhaps a little bit to the east of that?
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards
the south, towards the parkway, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. That is correct.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the
best of your recollection.
Mr. TRULY. 3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway,
we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe--we just
gradually moved out a bit.
And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on
to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little
farther to the edge of the parkway.
Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any other company employees with you other
than Mr. Campbell at that time?
Mr. TRULY. Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing
there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other
employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I
think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the
motorcade--somewheres in that area.
I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three
of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came
back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed.
But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back
later on, and I think those were the ones that were--two of them were
the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the
crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
What did you next see with reference to the motorcade?