Mr. BALL. First of all, you take this pencil and put it down there, and
then we will make the markings afterwards.
Mr. WILLIAMS. This is the west side of the building.
Mr. BALL. The area where you were laying floor. Make the outside limits
of the area.
Mr. WILLIAMS. We were working in this area down there like that.
Mr. BALL. In other words, from there to the west, or where?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We were working from the west coming this way, coming to
the east. And we had got about just so much.
Mr. BALL. Well, let's draw a dark line down there. This marks the area
that you saw?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You had already laid floor from the west side to the dark
line?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you were working right around in the dark line area, were
you?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, take your pencil and show us about where it was that you
saw Oswald that morning.
Mr. WILLIAMS. I think I saw Oswald somewhere around in this vicinity.
As I was up by this other elevator, I think one time I saw him over
there. I am not really sure.
Mr. BALL. You have drawn a line here. This is a sort of general area
where you say you saw Oswald, is that right?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. We will mark that as "O". That is on the north side of the
floor near the east elevator.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. We will mark that "O".
Now, these lines you have marked show your area where you were working.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. We will mark that W-1 and W-1.
Mr. DULLES. Mr. Williams, were all the boxes of books moved out of this
area while you were working, or as you finished a part of it, were some
boxes put back in?
Mr. WILLIAMS. To begin with, I think we were working on the wall first.
I don't think we moved too many books in this area. I think we just
moved them out and right back in, as I remember.
But I think after we got a little further over, I think we had to
move some books. We had to move these books to the east side of this
building, over here, and those books--I would say this would be the
window Oswald shot the President from. We moved these books kind of
like in a row like that, kind of winding them around.
Mr. DULLES. That is moving them from the west towards the east of the
building?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. The window was here?
Mr. BALL. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. Any other questions on this?
Mr. BALL. About what time of day do you think it was you saw Oswald, if
you can remember? If you can't remember, don't guess.
Mr. WILLIAMS. I cannot remember.
Mr. BALL. What time did you knock off work for the lunch hour?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, approximately--between 11:30 to 12, around in
there. I wouldn't say the exact time, because I don't remember the
exact time.
Mr. BALL. What time do you usually quit for lunch?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We always quit about 5 minutes before time.
During the rush season we quit about 5 minutes before time and washup.
Mr. BALL. Wash your hands and face before you eat lunch?
Mr. WILLIAMS. That is right.
Mr. BALL. You say quit 5 minutes before time. What is the time?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Five before 12.
Mr. BALL. Did you quit earlier this day?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe this day we quit about maybe 5 or 10 minutes,
because all of us were so anxious to see the President--we quit a
little ahead of time, so that we could wash up and we wanted to be sure
we would not miss anything.
Mr. BALL. Now, did you go downstairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We took two elevators down. I mean, speaking as a group,
we took two down.
Mr. BALL. Was there some reason you took two down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We always had a little kids game we played racing down
with the elevators. And I think one fellow, Charles Givens, had the
east elevator, and me, and I think two or three more fellows had the
west elevator. And we was racing down.
Mr. BALL. Who was driving the west side elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I don't remember exactly who was.
Mr. BALL. You were not?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I don't think I was. I don't remember.
Mr. BALL. Who was driving the east side elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I think that was Charles Givens.
Mr. BALL. Now, did something happen on the way down--did somebody yell
out?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; on the way down I heard Oswald--and I am not sure
whether he was on the fifth or the sixth floor. But on the way down
Oswald hollered "Guys, how about an elevator?" I don't know whether
those are his exact words. But he said something about the elevator.
And Charles said, "Come on, boy," just like that.
And he said, "Close the gate on the elevator and send the elevator back
up."