Mr. BALL. And you had these three----

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; and I had a part-time job at a construction

company. I don't remember the name of it. But it was just for about a

week.

Mr. BALL. When you were going to school?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No. That was the same time I was working at Marriott's

Motel.

Mr. BALL. Did you work while you went to school?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I delivered the Dallas morning newspaper sometimes, and

little odd jobs.

Mr. BALL. Well, did anybody tell you you might get a job at the Texas

School Book Depository before you went down there?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. You were just looking for a job?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I just put in applications everywhere.

Mr. BALL. What kind of work did you do when you first went with the

Texas School Book Depository?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I think the first day I started work there they started

me off as a wrapper. Then the fellows told me that I had qualifications

to be a checker, so they put me on as a checker there.

Mr. BALL. What are you doing now?

Mr. WILLIAMS. At the present time I do anything--check, pack, fill

orders, anything.

Mr. BALL. When you went to work there, did you work at the building on

the corner of Houston and Elm?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. The first time I went there I was hired on at

the other warehouse, the lower part of Houston Street.

Mr. BALL. By lower part, do you mean north of the main building?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Down further, the big white building.

Mr. BALL. That is sort of a warehouse?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. You went to work there. That is about a block, a block and a

half north?

Mr. WILLIAMS. A block and a half.

Mr. BALL. North of the corner of Houston and Elm?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And how long did you work at that place?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I worked there until business began to get slow. I

think that was--it was before November. I think it was some time during

October. I am not sure.

Mr. BALL. And what did they put you to work at at that time?

Mr. WILLIAMS. They called me up to help lay a floor on the fifth floor,

they wanted more boards over it. As I say, business was slow, and they

were trying to keep us on without laying us off at the time.

So I was using the saw, helping cut wood and lay wood.

Mr. BALL. You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. On the fifth floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And when you finished on the fifth floor, what did you do?

Mr. WILLIAMS. After we finished on the fifth floor, we started to move

up to the sixth floor. But at the time we didn't complete the sixth

floor. We only completed just a little portion of it.

Mr. BALL. By the time, you are talking about November 22d?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Before November 22d, how long had you been laying floor in

the building at Houston and Elm?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Before November 22d, I think we had been working on the

fifth floor, I think, about 3 weeks. I think altogether I had been up

there just about 4 weeks, I think.

Mr. BALL. And how long had you been on the sixth floor before--how long

have you been working on the sixth floor before November 22d?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Let's see. Before November 22d, I think it might have

been 2 days--it might have been 2 days. I would say about 2 days,

approximately 2 days.

Mr. BALL. Before you started to lay the floor, did you have to move any

cartons?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; we did.

Mr. BALL. From what part of the sixth floor did you move the cartons?

Mr. WILLIAMS. We moved cartons from, I believe, the west side of the

sixth floor to the east side of the sixth floor, because I think there

was a vacancy in there.

Mr. BALL. Clear over to the east side?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Were there cartons stacked up between the west side and the

east side--were there cartons on the floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; there was.

Mr. BALL. After you moved the cartons, then did you start laying the

floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. After we moved the cartons, we started laying the floor.

Then we had to move the cartons.

As we go we would move cartons to vacate the space, so we could lay the

floor.

Mr. BALL. On November 22d, what time did you go to work?

Mr. WILLIAMS. November 22d, I went to work at 8 o'clock.

Mr. BALL. Were you late or on time that morning?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe I was on time that morning. I always get there

a little before eight.

Mr. BALL. Did you know Lee Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I didn't know him personally, but I had seen him working.

Never did say anything to anyone. He never did put himself in any

position to say anything to anyone.

He just went about his work. He never said anything to me. I never said

anything to him.

Mr. BALL. Did you ever have lunch with him?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No.

The only time he would come into the lunchroom sometimes and eat a

sandwich maybe, and then he would go for a walk, and he would go out.

And I assume he would come back. But the only other time he would come

in and read a paper or nothing, and laugh and leave again.

Mr. DULLES. But he would never say good morning or good evening?

Mr. WILLIAMS. He never would speak to anyone. He was just a funny

fellow. I don't know what kind of a fellow he was.

Mr. BALL. Did you notice what he read in the newspaper?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe one morning I noticed he was reading something

about politics, and as he was reading this he acted like it was funny

to him. He would read a paragraph or two, smile, or laugh, then throw

the paper down and get up and walk out.

Representative FORD. Where did this go on?

Mr. WILLIAMS. This was going on in what we call the domino room. This

is where we would eat our lunch and play dominoes. Some fellow would

bring newspapers, to read the sports or something. He never would read

the sports.

Mr. BALL. The domino room is a little recreation room on the first

floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; it is.

Mr. BALL. Now, you see the map there which has been marked Commission

Exhibit 362. Will you point on that map the location of the domino room?

Mr. DULLES. Would it be easier if we put the map up there, and then

everybody could see.

Mr. WILLIAMS. In the front entrance--I could explain the way I know the

best.

As I said, this would be the main entrance from Elm Street. Well,

this would be--the domino room is in the same line with Mr. Shelley's

office, and Mr. Truly's office. The domino room would be right in

here. Because two bathrooms, a large one and a small one right in this

vicinity here.

Mr. BALL. That is marked on the map--the domino room is marked on the

map as rec room, and the toilet is shown there?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. And there is a small one on the other side.

Mr. BALL. That is on Exhibit 362.

Mr. DULLES. What floor is this we are looking at now?

Mr. WILLIAMS. That is the first floor.

Representative FORD. And it was in the rec room or domino room where

you saw Oswald read the paper on this occasion?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. DULLES. And you said he read some of it to you and smiled about it?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No; he didn't read it to me. We were waiting turns to

play dominoes, and I happened to glance over. And I just noticed what

he was reading.

Mr. BALL. Now, this morning, did you see Oswald on the floor at any

time?

Mr. WILLIAMS. This morning of November 22d?

Mr. BALL. 22d.

Mr. WILLIAMS. The morning of November 22d Oswald was on the floor. The

only time I saw him that morning was a little after eight, after I had

started working. As usual, he was walking around with a clipboard in

his hands, I believe he was.

Mr. BALL. That is on the first floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes. He had a clipboard in his hand.

Mr. BALL. That is the only time you saw him that morning?

Mr. WILLIAMS. That is the only time I saw him that morning. I saw him

again between 11:30 and maybe 10 until 12:00.

Mr. BALL. We will come to that in a moment.

Where did you work that morning?

Mr. WILLIAMS. That morning I worked on the sixth floor. I think we went

directly up to the sixth floor and I got there.

Mr. BALL. And how many were working on the sixth floor with you?

Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe there were five.

Mr. BALL. What are their names?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, Bill Shelley, Charles Givens, and there was a

fellow by the name of Danny Arce.

Mr. BALL. He is a Mexican boy?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes. And a fellow by the name of Billy Lovelady, and

myself. And there was a fellow that came up--his name was Harold

Norman. He really wasn't working at the time, but there wasn't anything

to do, he would come around to help a little bit, and then back down.

Mr. DULLES. Was he in the employ of the company?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; he had been working there at the time about 2 years,

I think.

Mr. DULLES. But he wasn't on this particular detail on the sixth floor

that you are speaking of?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, he had been helping us on the fifth floor. When the

orders would come in, he would go down and help with the orders, and

when he didn't have anything else to do he would come back and help us

move stock around.

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