Mr. JENNER. Do you recall it was in your home?
Mrs. PAINE. I recall it was in the early part of the week.
Mr. JENNER. Did the same gentleman call?
Mrs. PAINE. The same gentleman. He had someone else along.
Mr. JENNER. That was Mr. Hosty, the gentleman whom you now have in mind?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I now know his name as Hosty.
Mr. McCLOY. From that you knew that the FBI was still interested in the
activity of Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, indeed.
Mr. McCLOY. That is what I want to bring out. I think that is all I
have, the questions I have.
Are you going to take up later this estrangement as to how it developed?
Mr. JENNER. Yes; I shall do that this afternoon. Representative Ford
has afforded me a list of subjects upon which to make inquiry and I
will do so this afternoon. Perhaps Representative Ford and Senator
Cooper, you would have some questions of this lady before we adjourn
for the luncheon period?
Senator COOPER. Are you going to continue this afternoon?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Senator COOPER. I will postpone mine until this afternoon. I think Mr.
McCloy and Congressman Ford have to go.
Representative FORD. Mr. Jenner, I will give you these questions
and use those, if any, that are other than what you planned to use
yourself. I am a little interested and I would like to hear you tell
it, if I could, Mrs. Paine, how much did you know about the finances of
Lee and Marina?
Mrs. PAINE. It seemed to me they lived on a very small budget. In
March of the year, at either the first or second visit with her, she
told me she lived on something under, around $200 a month and this was
more than they had been, because they had just finished paying a debt
that they had incurred for their passage to this country and they were
feeling rich on $200 a month, and I could see she was a good planner
in what she bought. I could see they seldom, if ever, bought clothes
for themselves or even for June. In the fall then Lee never volunteered
or gave any money for the cost of her being at my house. He did on
one occasion buy a few things at the grocery store for, at Marina's
request, which he paid for, and on another occasion I was aware that he
had given her some money to buy shoes. Did I mention this previously?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Yesterday afternoon you did; yes.
Representative FORD. But even after he gained employment at the Texas
School Book Depository and was being paid he never gave her any money
for her to contribute to you?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he did not.
Representative FORD. Did Marina ever express any concern about this?
Mrs. PAINE. Periodically she expressed her embarrassment at having to
receive always from me. I tried to convince her how useful and helpful
it was to me to have her conversation, but I never felt I had convinced
her of that. I would have to say I am guessing that she hoped Lee would
contribute. It would have been like her to think that he should.
Mr. JENNER. You gather that from the fact that she did raise the
subject occasionally?
Mrs. PAINE. Just from the fact that she raised her embarrassment? Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Representative FORD. I think that is all now. Mr. Jenner, you can use
those to supplement or as you see fit during the interrogation this
afternoon. Thank you.
Mr. McCLOY. I have no more questions.
I would like to say this though, perhaps, Mrs. Paine, that you
understand we are not trying to punish anybody here. We are not----
Mrs. PAINE. I do understand.
Mr. McCLOY. This is not a court of law. We are trying to get at the
facts. Anything that you can contribute before you complete your
testimony which would help us to get the facts we would like to
receive, whether it be in the form of hunches or anything that you
have, and you must not, I suggest that you don't, assume that merely
because we haven't examined you on a particular fact that if there is
anything that you do have in mind that you advance it and volunteer it
for the benefit of the further security of the country.
Mrs. PAINE. I have tried very hard to think of the things that I
thought would be useful to you, especially as we had so little time in
advance of testifying to help me recall in thinking about it.
Mr. JENNER. May I say, Mr. McCloy, that Mrs. Paine yesterday and
the day before, when I had an opportunity to talk with her, she did
volunteer several matters of which we had no notice whatsoever. For
example, the telephone calls by Lee Harvey Oswald to her, we had not
known of that. And the existence of the curtain rods.