Senator COOPER. I think you said she said something about----

Mrs. PAINE. "Well, he doesn't understand the things we are up against

or things of this nature." What I remember most clearly is that she

didn't seem to care whether he was told the truth or not.

Mr. JENNER. What?

Mrs. PAINE. Well, that is perhaps a further statement, told the truth

about--had it seemed to me a lack of respect on her part. She didn't

care what his wishes were in the situation, in other words. And this

sticks in my mind.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have any conversation with Robert Oswald on the

22d, subsequent to the time that you met him when he first come to the

police station?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Did you on the 23d of November?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. The 24th?

Mrs. PAINE. I believe the only other time I saw Robert was some 3 weeks

or more later when he came with two other people to pick up the rest of

Marina's things.

Mr. JENNER. Then from the 22d of November until he came sometime in

December you had no conversation with him and you had not seen him?

Mrs. PAINE. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. You had no contact at all with him?

Mrs. PAINE. That is my best recollection. Marina called me around noon

on Sunday, the 24th. She said she was with the police, and, of course,

this was said in Russian; I don't know whether she meant Secret Service

or Irving Police or Dallas Police or what sort, but official. Her

husband had already been shot at this time, so it was just after. He

had been shot and I had the television on and I knew that.

Representative FORD. Did she know it?

Mrs. PAINE. I am certain she did. What makes me certain I can't recall

definitely. I felt that she was confining herself in her conversation

to the things she just had to say.

Senator COOPER. What did she say?

Mrs. PAINE. She was directing me how to find certain things she needed

to have. A winter coat, things for the baby, a little purse with some

money in it that she left either on top of the dresser or in a drawer

in the bedroom where they had stayed.

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