Mrs. PAINE. She made an impression on me.
Mr. JENNER. I think we would prefer if you would call her Marguerite.
It would avoid confusion.
Mrs. PAINE. All right. Somewhere in that evening before we retired, and
after we had eaten, the doorbell rang and two men from Life Magazine
appeared. I was----
Mr. JENNER. Had you had any advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE. We had had no advance notice.
Mr. JENNER. Nobody did?
Mrs. PAINE. Nobody did.
Mr. JENNER. You in particular and none of the others in the room?
Mrs. PAINE. None of the others.
Mr. JENNER. That was your impression?
Mrs. PAINE. I would be quite certain that none of the others and
myself----
Mr. JENNER. At least that was your impression at the moment?
Mrs. PAINE. That they had no prior information that these people
might come. I will say I was not surprised that anyone of the press
found his way to our door at that point. If anything, I was surprised
there weren't more. Life Magazine was the only company or group to
appear that evening. I permitted them to come in, and I felt that Mrs.
Marguerite Oswald was interested in the possibility of their buying the
story or paying for what information she and Marina might give them.
Mr. JENNER. Had that occurred to you?
Mrs. PAINE. Had that occurred to me? No. But then, too, I wasn't
thinking about pay for lawyers but she made that connection verbally in
my presence.
Mr. JENNER. What connection?
Mrs. PAINE. Between the need for money.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. The availability of Life Magazine and the need to pay for a
lawyer.
Mr. JENNER. And she was the one who raised that subject?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; she raised it.
Mr. JENNER. For commercialization of the story?
Mrs. PAINE. I recall now she raised it definitely enough that Mr. Tommy
Thompson of Life called, I believe still that evening, to see if he
could offer anything or what he might be empowered to offer.
Mr. JENNER. That was all instigated by her?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; very much so. I noticed that the other man, whose
name I forget, had a camera and I was amazed, and I also saw he took a
picture and I was amazed, he tried with a dim light in the room.
Mr. JENNER. When you say he took a picture, you don't mean he took a
picture from your living room?
Mrs. PAINE. He took a picture in my living room. He photographed. I saw
him wind his roll.
Mr. JENNER. Thank you.
Mrs. PAINE. I made the mistake I now think of turning on another light
simply as an act of hostess, it was dim in the living room but I hadn't
realized until later that I was making it possible for him to take a
picture.
I didn't know what was best for me to do as hostess. It seemed to me
that Mrs. Oswald, Sr., Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, was both interested in
encouraging the Life Magazine representatives and still didn't really
want her picture taken, and I had no personal objection to their being
there. But I considered the Oswalds my guests and I didn't want to have
the Life Magazine people there if they didn't want them. But they left
fairly promptly, saying that they would come back in the morning.
Mr. JENNER. Did they say anything about your talking or not talking to
any other news media representatives until they had talked with you?
Mrs. PAINE. Not to me.
Mr. JENNER. Nothing of that implied?
Mrs. PAINE. No. It was after this that the conversation I have already
related with Marina took place, and we finished our preparations for
bed. She said to me she didn't think she would sleep fairly soon and
asked if she could borrow my hair dryer, she would stay up and take a
shower, which she often said renewed her spirits, and I then went to
bed, having given her my hair dryer. We woke perhaps something after 7
the next morning or closer to 8.
Mr. JENNER. When you say "we", who do you mean?
Mrs. PAINE. The household. I think we had not yet--we pretty much woke
all at once.
Mr. JENNER. Did your husband remain at your home?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; he remained at my home that night, the first time he
had been there in a great long time. We were still eating breakfast
or had just begun when the two Life people arrived again, this time
with an interpreter, a woman doctor whose name I don't remember, and
Marguerite Oswald and Marina Oswald, with her two little girls went
with these two Life Magazine people to downtown Dallas for the purpose
of seeing Lee, and Marguerite Oswald wanted to see that he got legal
counsel immediately.
They were acting, the Life people were acting in this case as shovers,
I feel, and I also thought Marguerite Oswald was hoping that something
could be arranged between them, that would be financially helpful.
Mr. JENNER. Did she say anything that further stimulated your thoughts
and reaction in that direction?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. I don't recall specifically but I have the clear
impression that----
Mr. JENNER. From her conversation with the Life representatives?
Mrs. PAINE. From her conversation. Yes. They left quite soon, I
remember wishing Marina had taken more time to have more breakfast
since it was going to be a trying day, and that is the last I saw her
until March 9, in the evening, very recently.
Mr. JENNER. March 9, 1964?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Just a week or so ago?
Mrs. PAINE. That is right. She left, of course, expecting to come back.
She took only the immediate needs of the baby's diapers and bottle,
and I fully expected her to come back later that same day. I don't
really recall. I think there must have been some newsmen out then that
morning, later that morning.
Mr. JENNER. To see you, at your home?
Mrs. PAINE. At my home. I would be certain of that. The Houston
Post--well, yes. And Michael was there also, at least in the morning as
I recall, and talked with these people.
I believe the local paper, Irving News, was there. Then Michael, as
I recall, went to do something related to his work or had to do some
shopping.
Mr. JENNER. He left your home?
Mrs. PAINE. Anyway, in the afternoon I was the only one there and I
felt I had better get some grocery shopping done so as to be prepared
for a long stay home just answering the doorbell and telling what I
could to the people who wanted to know. I was just preparing to go to
the grocery store when several officers arrived again from the Dallas
Police Office and asked if they could search.
This time I was in the yard, the front yard on the grass, and asked if
they could search and held up their warrant and I said, yes, they could
search. They said they were looking for something specific and I said,
"I want to go to the grocery store, I'll just go and you go ahead and
do your searching."
I then went to the grocery store and when I came back they had finished
and left, locking my door which necessitated my getting out my key, I
don't normally lock my door when I go shopping.
Representative FORD. Did you take your children shopping?
Mrs. PAINE. Always. Then about 3:30 or 4 I got a telephone call.
Mr. JENNER. The phone rang?
Mrs. PAINE. The phone rang; I answered it.
Mr. JENNER. Did you recognize the voice?
Mrs. PAINE. I recognized the voice but I don't recall what he said?
Mr. JENNER. What did the voice say?