Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Paine, a slight interruption.
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was the occasion when Mrs. Oswald, Marina, made the remark
of having seen a weapon inside the blanket, was that the first notice
that you had of any kind or character that there was a weapon in your
garage?
Mrs. PAINE. That is absolutely the first. Indeed it was contrary to
my expectation as I said. When the officer asked me I answered his
question before I even translated it, answered it in the negative, and
then translated it and found that indeed there had been a gun there.
Mr. JENNER. All right, go ahead.
Mrs. PAINE. They then showed a gun, a rifle to Marina, and asked her if
she could identify the gun as being her husband's.
She said her husband had a dark gun, dark in color, that she wasn't
absolutely certain that this was the gun. She couldn't definitely
recall the sight on the top of it.
Mr. JENNER. The telescope sight?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Then I also was asked to make an affidavit which I
signed, to the effect that I had heard her say in the garage that she
had looked into this package and seen what she took to be a rifle she
knew her husband had. It was after they had finished with this session
that I went back in the same room where Michael was, and Mrs. Oswald,
senior, came in, Mrs. Marguerite Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. Had you met her at anytime up to that moment?
Mrs. PAINE. No. I had never met her before.
Mr. JENNER. Had you ever talked with her at anytime up to that moment?
Mrs. PAINE. I had never talked with her.
Mr. JENNER. Were you advised in advance of anything that had been said
that she was to come?
Mrs. PAINE. No. She said she had heard on her car radio, on her way to
work in the afternoon.
Mr. JENNER. What time was this about?
Mrs. PAINE. She heard it?
Mr. JENNER. No; that she came?
Mrs. PAINE. It was, it was certainly supper time. We had eaten no lunch.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mrs. PAINE. And she said she heard on her car radio that Lee Oswald
had been in custody in Dallas and had come over. Previously during
October and November Marina had told me she regretted that Lee didn't
wish to keep up contact with his mother because she thought it was only
proper to tell the mother of the coming grandchild, and then she wanted
to announce the birth when the baby had come but she said Lee didn't
try to keep her address, and Marina didn't know how to contact her or
didn't want to do so around her husband certainly. There was a warm
greeting in the police station.
Mr. JENNER. Between whom?
Mrs. PAINE. Between Marguerite Oswald and Marina Oswald and I recall
both wept and Mrs. Marguerite Oswald exclaimed over the new baby, and
then held the baby. I then also met Robert Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. When did he come with relation to when Marguerite Oswald
entered?
Mrs. PAINE. It seemed to me later.
Mr. JENNER. Had you met Robert Oswald at anytime up to that moment?
Mrs. PAINE. No; I had not.
Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion that had taken place during the
course of the day up to that moment indicating to you that Robert
Oswald might or would arrive on the scene?
Mrs. PAINE. No; nothing that day about Robert at all.
Mr. JENNER. When he entered was there an indication to you at all that
none of the people, in addition to yourself, was aware that he was
about to--that they had any advance advice that he was going to be
present?
Mrs. PAINE. There was no indication of any advance advice to any of the
people.
Mr. JENNER. Was there any indication to the contrary?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't think anyone was really surprised that he had come.
Mr. JENNER. There was this lack of prior notice?
Mrs. PAINE. Lack of prior notice. We then talked about where to go.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, does the "we" include your husband all the time?
Mrs. PAINE. The "we" then was a group at this point of my husband,
Marguerite Oswald, Marina Oswald, Robert Oswald, and myself, three
children.
Mr. JENNER. Did your husband know Robert Oswald prior to this time?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Were they introduced to each other on this occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. They were in the same room and they might have been. It was
agreed that Robert was to stay in a hotel. Marguerite Oswald asked if
she could come out and stay with Marina at my home, and it was agreed.
Mr. JENNER. Was it agreed that Marina would stay at your house that
night?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; certainly all her baby things were there. So, we went
back there. We were taken back by police officers.
Mr. JENNER. Everybody assumed she would return back to your home?
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion that would indicate any reluctance
on the part of anybody that she return to your home?
Mrs. PAINE. None.
Mr. JENNER. None whatsoever by anybody?
Mrs. PAINE. That is correct, none whatsoever by anybody.
The police officers brought us back to my home. It was by this time
dark, and I think it was about 9 o'clock in the evening. I asked
Michael to go out and buy hamburgers at a drive-in so we wouldn't have
to cook, and we ate these as best we could, and began to prepare to
retire. We talked. I have a few specific recollections of that period
that I will put in here.
Just close to the time of retiring Marina told me that just the night
before Lee had said to her he hoped they could get an apartment
together again soon. As she said this, I felt she was hurt and
confused, wondering how he could have said such a thing which indicated
wanting to be together with her when he must have already been planning
something that would inevitably cause separation. I asked her did she
think that Lee had killed the President and she said, "I don't know."
And I felt that this was not something to talk about really anyway. But
my curiosity overcame my politeness.
Now, back a little bit to the time in the living room, Mrs. Oswald and
Michael and Marina and I were all there, and Mrs. Oswald, I recall,
said, I mean of course Mrs. Marguerite Oswald----
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. That if they were prominent people there would be three of
the lawyers down in the city jail now trying to defend her son, and
coming to his aid.
She felt that since they were just small people that there
wouldn't--they wouldn't get the proper attention or care, and I tried
to say this was not a small case. That most careful attention would be
given it, but she didn't feel that way.
Mr. JENNER. You made no impression on her?
Mrs. PAINE. I made no impression on her.