The CHAIRMAN. Before you get to that, I want to ask a question about
giving the blood that day. Did you give it for a particular person or
for a blood bank?
Mrs. PAINE. It was for Marina. For each of the persons who come in
under county care they ask you to donate two pints of blood, one at a
time.
The CHAIRMAN. I see. And you donated one pint for her?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.
Mr. JENNER. How long did he remain in your home on this visit?
Mrs. PAINE. Until Monday morning, the 7th of October, almost noon, in
fact, when I took him to an Intercity bus at the Irving bus station.
Mr. JENNER. This is that bus terminal approximately 3 miles from your
home?
Mrs. PAINE. That same day I gave him a map to assist him in job hunting.
Mr. JENNER. All right. I would like to get to that.
I show you what is in evidence, I don't know whether it is received or
not; it is a Commission Exhibit No. 128, and ask you if you have ever
seen that before?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I have.
Mr. JENNER. Is that the map to which you now have reference?
Mrs. PAINE. I would say it is.
Mr. JENNER. What did you do with the map with respect to Lee Harvey
Oswald on this occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall who asked, who mentioned a map first, but,
of course, I knew, and he did, that it would be a useful thing to have
job hunting. I think he asked if I had a map of the city of Dallas and
I said, yes, I did, and I can easily get another at the gas station,
one of these.
Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Paine, it is your clear recollection that this
document, Commission Exhibit No. 128, a map, is the map that you gave
Lee Harvey Oswald, this was October 7th?
Mrs. PAINE. It was certainly this kind of map, whether it is the
identical map, I couldn't say for sure, but I much prefer the ENCO map
of the city and this is the kind I always get to use. So this is the
kind I had in mind.
Mr. JENNER. So, to the best of your recollection, the coloring has been
changed a little bit because of attempts to draw fingerprints from it?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. But your best recollection now, observing it, is that this
is the document?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Would you examine it carefully and see that there might be
something on it that would arrest your attention as your having placed
thereon or Lee?
Mrs. PAINE. I have examined this carefully and a copy of it.
Mr. JENNER. On other occasions?
Mrs. PAINE. On other occasions, and I could not at any time find a
marking that I had made.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall having made any markings?
Mrs. PAINE. I do not recall having made any markings on this particular
map. Sometime on some maps I knew I had made remarks where I was going.
Mr. JENNER. Just for the purpose of the record, may I reverse it, and
you see no markings on the reverse side, I take it?
Mrs. PAINE. No; which is Fort Worth, not Dallas, isn't it?
Mr. JENNER. Yes; it is.
All right, now tell us about that incident?
Mrs. PAINE. The map?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. I have.
Mr. JENNER. That is all there was to it?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did you suggest, was there any discussion of, particular
places of employment?
Mrs. PAINE. There was no such discussion.
Mr. JENNER. As to which he might inquire?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. What did he--did you hand him the map?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And was it opened before you and Lee in your discussions?
Mrs. PAINE. No, no; we didn't discuss. He said, do I have a map, and I
said, yes, I do, you may have it.
Mr. JENNER. You handed it to him, and that was all that occurred?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And did he place it in his pocket or did he go into his
room or his and Marina's room and place it there?
Mrs. PAINE. He may have already been on his way to the bus station when
this conversation occurred and took it with him.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
I notice what appears to be a notation that the document has not as
yet been offered in evidence, Mr. Chairman, and I offer in evidence,
therefore, as Commission Exhibit No. 128, the document heretofore
identified by that exhibit number.
Mr. McCLOY. It may be admitted.
(The document referred to, heretofore marked as Commission Exhibit No.
128 for identification, was received in evidence.)
Mr. JENNER. Was Marina present during this discussion of his job
hunting?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall. I seem to think we were on our way out
already to go in our car to the bus station.
Mr. JENNER. Did Marina accompany you?
Mrs. PAINE. No; she did not.
Mr. JENNER. She did not?
Mrs. PAINE. She stayed home with the baby. My children probably went
with me, I don't recall specifically.
Mr. JENNER. That is the baby, you mean June?
Mrs. PAINE. June.
Mr. JENNER. You drove into the bus terminal approximately 3 miles from
your home. Did you remain until the bus came along?
Mrs. PAINE. I think so.
Mr. JENNER. You saw him depart?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was anything said about where he would reside in Dallas
before he left?
Mrs. PAINE. I am not certain, but I think he said the Y was rather
expensive. He was going to look for a room.
Mr. McCLOY. What was the date you took him into the bus station?
Mrs. PAINE. That is the 7th of October.
Mr. McCLOY. The 7th of October?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was there an occasion in this early period that you drove
him all the way into Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. I can't recall ever driving him all the way into Dallas.
Mr. JENNER. At any time?
Mrs. PAINE. We drove, except to the Oak Cliff Station for this driver
training test.
Mr. JENNER. That is the only occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; that is the only one I recall. Can you refresh my
memory. I can't think of any other.
Mr. JENNER. You are clear that you drove him from your home to the bus
terminal in Irving?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And either you left immediately or waited to see him board
the bus, but it is your definite recollection you did not drive him to
the Dallas downtown area on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, I did once drive him to the Dallas downtown area,
because I recall where he got out. Now why I was going--yes, I think I
may know why I was going.
Mr. JENNER. Fix the time first.
Mrs. PAINE. I do recall now driving him into downtown Dallas because I
was already going and it was probably Monday, the 14th of October.
Mr. JENNER. This is the day before his employment began with the Texas
School Book Depository?
Mrs. PAINE. It would have been 2 days before, the day before he
applied. I have several recollections but which day they attach to is
not quite as clear.
I recall taking him to the bus. I recall picking him up at the bus. I
recall going in and dropping him off at a corner of Ross Avenue and
something else, which was near the employment office.
Mr. JENNER. In downtown Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. Near the employment office station. I was on my way to
get a key fixed on my Russian typewriter which is what was taking me
downtown. I hadn't been thinking--I at no time made a purposeful trip
just to take him to downtown Dallas, but I was going and he went along
and I am pretty sure that was a Monday and he got out at that corner
and Marina was with me and we went on to get this typewriter fixed
either to pick it up or to leave it. I am quite certain it was the
12th, Saturday, that I picked him up at the station.
Mr. JENNER. At the bus terminal?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. And I am pretty certain that it was the 7th I took him
to the bus station. I recall it being already noon, and I thought he
might well have started looking for a job earlier that day.
Mr. JENNER. When next did you hear from Mr. Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE. After the 7th. Probably on the 12th when he called again to
ask if he could come out for the weekend.
Mr. JENNER. The 12th is what day of the week?
Mrs. PAINE. The 12th is a Saturday.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall that he did call?
Mrs. PAINE. Pardon?
Mr. JENNER. Did you recall that he did telephone and ask permission to
come?
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, indeed he did.
Mr. JENNER. Did he always do that?
Mrs. PAINE. He always did that with the exception of the 21st of
November.
Mr. JENNER. We will get to that in a very few moments.
Mr. McCLOY. Before you get to that you said you went all the way into
Dallas with this errand, that Marina was with you.
Mrs. PAINE. That is my recollection.
Mr. McCLOY. What did you do with the children?
Mrs. PAINE. We always take them.
Mr. McCLOY. Took them all, put them all in the station wagon?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; big station wagon.
Mr. JENNER. By the way, I would like to go back a little. When you
picked him up at the bus station on the afternoon of the 4th of
October, what did he have----
Mrs. PAINE. On the afternoon of the 12th, around noon of the 12th.