Mr. JENNER. At the time.
Mr. BARNHORST. Well, I wasn't working there when he was a guest. I know
when he was there, but I wasn't working there.
Mr. JENNER. That's right. Have you personally examined the records of
the YMCA in that respect?
Mr. BARNHORST. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And those records are of what character?
Mr. BARNHORST. They are a daily report on transients in and out with
permanents in and out and the number of rooms, and a copy goes to the
residence manager and a copy stays at the household and a copy is sent
to and, well, it is placed on our desk copy.
Mr. JENNER. And have you examined those records for both the years 1962
and 1963?
Mr. BARNHORST. No; only the month of October 1963.
Mr. JENNER. Only the month of October 1963. In examining that month did
you examine each day of the month, that is, the records relating to
each day of that month?
Mr. BARNHORST. Originally--yes, and I have looked at them also,
actually, I guess for September, because I had stayed there one night
and I had looked back to see which room I was in and I was just curious
and in looking back--later on--I saw there was a Lee H. Oswald. He was
in room 601, because I looked at it last night after the man called me
and it is still on the desk.
Mr. JENNER. He occupied the room 601 when?
Mr. BARNHORST. Until the morning or early part of the afternoon of
the 4th of October. I say that because the clerk who was on was Eva
Marshall. Her name was beside the checkout. So, she was the one who
would have checked him out and she works on the day shift and at that
time she was working day shift and that would have been about 10 days,
I guess, before I went to work there and she was filling in there
because the clerk had quit, which is why they hired me. I don't know
who the clerk was. I only found the checkout, I didn't ever see the
check-in--I think I did see it one time. And I think it was October 3,
the day before.
Mr. JENNER. The check-in was October 3?
Mr. BARNHORST. I remember that from sometime ago, but I just happened
to see the checkout.
Mr. JENNER. Tell me what kind of records you keep--you keep a receipt?
Mr. BARNHORST. Well, maybe I can describe these when he checks in to
see step by step what happens, because there is a little blue card
with a stub on it and we call this a transient register card. He fills
in his name and the phone number and membership, if any, and a number
of other details, if it has anything to do with such as when his
membership expires, if he is in the service, his service number or some
other things, and then we fill out a triplicate receipt for his room
rent. In this case he paid for 1 night and then we give him a receipt
and a receipt stays in the register and a receipt goes in the drawer
and, of course, we fill out the rest of the stub--the receipt number,
the amount paid, and we fill out his name and his room number on the
stub and the price of it and so forth for the operator to put his name
up on the board, and he came in fairly early on the 3d, because the
operator----
Mr. JENNER. What is the board you mentioned something now about? You
mentioned something new.
Mr. BARNHORST. This is a board we have for locating anyone in the
building at that time, who is staying in the building. It is a PBX
machine and is in the nature of a board up on the wall and it has
several sections. It is a flip-type board and you put a little narrow
slip of paper with their name and room number on it. That's for the
telephone operator.
Now, he must have come in fairly early on the 3d, if he came in in the
evening, because in fact, he did come in in the evening. Mr. Barker
checked him in because I know the evening operator typed his name in
and so that would place him coming in in the evening sometime before
10 o'clock, because that's about when she leaves, and after that they
are typed up by the--either the night clerk or the next operator in
the morning. Then, in the evening, it is put on a ledger sheet and
we have two types--we have one for the permanent guests for their
personal account, and for just general transients that pass through,
we have a group account. We just put the last name and the amount paid
and whether or not they paid a membership fee. And, I might mention he
didn't pay a membership fee when he came in. There is only two ways
a person can pay that and that is either be in the service or have a
membership card and I don't think he was registered as a member. He
may have tried to pass himself off as a serviceman, but that's just in
passing--that's not on the record--but--then, we make this daily report
which is what I saw his name on last night. That is a long sheet and it
has a list of room numbers in numerical order and then the name of the
person who checked into that room that day and anybody who checked out
of the room that day, and any transfers.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Hulen, when he testified a few moments ago, testified
with respect to his having checked over receipts showing payment for
lodging and he assembled a list and he is going to obtain photostatic
copies of them and return them this afternoon and return with them. Are
you returning to the YMCA after you leave here?
Mr. BARNHORST. No, I can--it's just across the street.
Mr. JENNER. Well, I would appreciate it if you would speak with Mr.
Hulen who made copies of the entries from the records--I would like to
have in addition to the copies of the receipts, photostatic copies of
the registration card you have mentioned.
Mr. BARNHORST. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And this is a check-in card, did you call it a check-in
card?
Mr. BARNHORST. A transient register card, and do you want the daily
report?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. BARNHORST. How about this one in our ledger book?
Mr. JENNER. I would like that as well.
Mr. BARNHORST. Because the clerk would be Mr. Michaels, depending on
what night of the week it was. Probably Mr. Michaels--chances are it
was he that made out that report. He is not with us now, but he didn't
report any membership fee paid at the time.
Mr. JENNER. And that would indicate that none was paid?
Mr. BARNHORST. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Is there a difference in charge or rate for a room
depending upon whether you are a member of the YMCA or a serviceman?
Mr. BARNHORST. From what I know, Mr. Oswald--he should have paid
$3.75 or $2.25 for a room, 50 cents for membership and $1 for the
key deposit. No doubt he paid the room rent because that's on the
record and the key deposit or else he wouldn't have gotten a room, but
the key deposit isn't listed in the ledger at all. It is a separate
account because we refund it and in the ledger we list memberships and
we separate that from the key deposits. Because it is in a separate
account. Now, I didn't see any membership fee by his name.
Mr. JENNER. But does an ex-serviceman receive this reduced rate?
Mr. BARNHORST. Not if he has been out a minute or more, at least I
never give it to him. Now, I always check the ID cards. Mr. Barker, I
believe, does not, but of course any serviceman could rattle off his
service number 20 years after he got out and I found that out quite
early so I have been checking them and I have had several fellows who
were trying to get away with it--they usually had forgotten it or say
they would be back in a minute and they don't come back and it was
embarrassing to me, and Mr. Barker has been there a long time. He
wouldn't write up a membership unless he was a serviceman.