Mr. ALBA. Would you repeat the----

Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't go through any of these magazines that Oswald

had looked at after the assassination and prior to the time that the

FBI and the Secret Service had removed them from your office, is that

correct?

Mr. ALBA. None other than my most current issues that I had recently

received in the mail, such as the National Rifle magazine or "Guns and

Ammo" edition----

Mr. LIEBELER. Those magazines wouldn't have been at Lee Oswald's

disposal because they would have come in after the time he had been

there?

Mr. ALBA. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you tell whether or not the magazines that Oswald

read, or borrowed and read and returned, were still there in the garage

at the time of the assassination, or at the time the FBI came and took

the magazines from you?

Mr. ALBA. Lee Oswald borrowed the magazines and requested permission to

take one or two off at a time, and kept them anywhere from 3 days to a

week, and would make the point of letting me know that he was returning

them. And then a few days later he would ask that he borrow another

magazine or two magazines. I would say that there were anywhere from

three to five definite occasions I do remember of Lee Oswald asking to

take this and that magazine and letting me know that he returned the

magazines.

Mr. LIEBELER. So as far as you know there was nobody else that would

have removed them from your office, and they would have stayed there

after Oswald brought them back?

Mr. ALBA. Some of them do disappear from time to time.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you have no way of knowing whether all the ones

that Oswald looked at were in your office when the FBI and the Secret

Service came and picked them up?

Mr. ALBA. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. When was the last time you saw Oswald?

Mr. ALBA. The last time I saw Lee Oswald was when he told me that he

was leaving for Michoud. He had put in an application at Michoud, where

he was going to make the big money, in this town here. He mentioned

that prior or about 3 weeks prior to leaving.

When he did leave, he came in the office and he says, "Well--" this

was approximately 10 o'clock in the morning, he said, "Well, I will be

seeing you." I said, "Where are you headed?" He said, "Out there, where

the gold is." I said, "Where is that?" He said, "I told you I was going

out to Michoud, and that I had an application out there." He said,

"Well, I have heard from them, and I have just wound up things next

door at the coffee company, and I am on my way out there now." That

again, was approximately--I may stand to be corrected on my timing--but

that was approximately some weeks before the assassination.

Mr. LIEBELER. What is this "Michoud" that he mentioned to you? How do

you spell it?

Mr. ALBA. That's the national air space program, the rockets, out in

Gentilly. That's NASA.

Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of an operation do they have there? Is it a

manufacturing operation?

Mr. ALBA. It is the rocket, the Atlas rocket, I believe.

Mr. LIEBELER. They construct them there, is that correct?

Mr. ALBA. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you what kind of work he was going to do for

the organization?

Mr. ALBA. No; he didn't.

Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned "Michoud," and is that the name of a city

here?

Mr. ALBA. Michoud, that's this particular section of Gentilly, Gentilly

section, where the plant is located.

Mr. LIEBELER. Is that part of New Orleans proper?

Mr. ALBA. It is part of New Orleans, part of Orleans Parish.

Mr. LIEBELER. Part of New Orleans itself?

Mr. ALBA. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald tell you what kind of work he was doing for

Reily Co.?

Mr. ALBA. I don't think he ever did, but it was--it was obvious that he

was in the electrical end of the maintenance end of the factory at W.

B. Reily Coffee.

Mr. LIEBELER. What did he say? Or why do you say it was obvious?

Mr. ALBA. He was just like the others there in the maintenance and

the electrical end, and they would wear the electrician's belt with a

bandoleer, screwdriver, pliers, and friction tape, et cetera.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he wear that?

Mr. ALBA. Yes, he did.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever discuss this fellow Oswald with anybody at

the Reily Co.?

Mr. ALBA. Not prior to the assassination, no.

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you discussed it with people at the Reily Co. after

the assassination?

Mr. ALBA. Yes, I have. People were coming up to me at that time and

asking me about what had happened to my friend Lee Oswald that used to

hang around the office all the time, as an opening to discuss what had

taken place in Dallas.

Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember the name of the people at the coffee

company that you discussed Oswald with?

Mr. ALBA. The people in general that would come in the office during

the day, as Lee Oswald himself would do.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did the people that did come in that way indicate they

also had known Oswald while he worked at the coffee company?

Mr. ALBA. I hadn't realized anyone that knew Lee Oswald, or that that

was the man who worked with them prior to the assassination, but after

the assassination, which might be expected, it seems that anyone you

would talk to knew who he was and had seen him, and so forth.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember any particular people who did, in fact,

seem to know him, or that you think did know him that you talked to

about him?

Mr. ALBA. None in particular, no.

Mr. LIEBELER. What was the general substance of these conversations?

Mr. ALBA. Half kidding and half general conversations about, "Isn't it

something, what happened?" And that it happened to be someone that was

right here at work "With us at Reily, and that you knew from over here,

next door."

Several people, employees at Reily, would tell me that employees at

Reily had told them after the assassination, of course, that Lee Oswald

spent as much time "Over at Alba's Garage as he did over here in the

plant."

Mr. LIEBELER. Did that seem to be the case to you prior to the

assassination?

Mr. ALBA. Yes and no; if that is any kind of an answer. Lee Oswald was

sent for and called from the office on several occasions. Lee Oswald

would come to the office, put a nickel in the coke machine and start

paging through magazines and just lost track of time. Lee Oswald was

not talkative unless he was more or less pursuing the conversation

himself. In fact, if that makes any sense to you----

Mr. LIEBELER. So it seems to you then that he spent more time in your

place than he should have been spending, is that correct?

Mr. ALBA. That is correct, but certainly not more time at my place

than at Reily Coffee, as some might have tried to indicate to me in a

conversation. But I am sure that it was intended only as a phrase of

kidding.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever hear of complaints from the coffee company

that Oswald wasn't on the job over there?

Mr. ALBA. None other than from the men themselves that were working

with Lee Oswald.

Mr. LIEBELER. You heard these complaints after the assassination, is

that correct, didn't you?

Mr. ALBA. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. You said that he was called from your garage to go back

to the coffee company from time to time?

Mr. ALBA. There were anywhere from two to four different occasions that

I can remember that someone would come in there and tell him, "Now,

Lee Oswald, they are looking for you over there. If you keep this up,

you are going to get canned." And Oswald would say, "I'm coming. I'm

coming."

Mr. LIEBELER. And then he would go back to the coffee company?

Mr. ALBA. He would.

Mr. LIEBELER. How did this fellow impress you?

Mr. ALBA. He certainly didn't impress me as anyone capable or anyone

burdened with a charge of assassinating the President of the United

States, let alone any individual, for that matter. Our conversations

were purely the gun magazines, the firearms themselves, and little of

anything else. Lee Oswald wasn't very talkative, not to be repeating

myself, unless, of course, he was pretty much leading the conversation

or doing the talking himself, on the same conversation level all the

time--about the firearms.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he strike you as being peculiar in any way?

Mr. ALBA. Yes; he did. He was quiet.

Mr. LIEBELER. He was quiet?

Mr. ALBA. He was quiet. You could ask Lee Oswald two or three

questions, and if Lee Oswald wasn't apparently interested in the course

of the conversation, he would just remain paging through the book and

look up and say, "Did you say something to me?" I hesitate putting the

conversation back to Lee Oswald pursuing it first, but all you had to

do was mention guns and gun magazines and Lee Oswald was very free with

the conversation.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he seem to have an interest in firearms that was

abnormal or extremely great, or anything like that?

Mr. ALBA. None.

Mr. LIEBELER. Other than the fact that he was quiet, was there anything

about him that struck you as being odd or peculiar?

Mr. ALBA. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't suspect he was a violent kind of person, or

anything like that, the time that you knew him, did you?

Mr. ALBA. I would answer that indeed not. I had never gotten the

impression from Lee Oswald that he was capable of any plot or

assassination, or what have you, of that nature.

Mr. LIEBELER. And were you surprised when you heard he had been

arrested in connection with the assassination?

Mr. ALBA. I was very much surprised.

Mr. LIEBELER. After you heard he had been charged with the

assassination, did it seem to you then that he could have been capable

of such a thing? Or did you hold to your former opinion?

Mr. ALBA. I think I held to my former opinion. Things I have seen on

television, of course, and read in the newspapers, and so forth, has

laid out some suggestive pattern that Lee Oswald was a subversive, et

cetera, toward the country, and maybe even the President, or something;

but prior to that assassination he gave me no indication at anytime

that he was burdened with such a charge, or that he was concerned or

involved with anything of that nature. He had never at anytime spoken

against the President or the country. He had never at anytime, prior to

the assassination, of course, mentioned communism to me, or anything

suggestive or leading to it, or otherwise.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether he mentioned the President at

all, one way or another?

Mr. ALBA. I think I might answer that with a definite answer--I can't

remember anytime that Lee Oswald had ever mentioned the President, the

country, foreign countries, et cetera.

Mr. LIEBELER. Is it customary, or the usual sort of thing for people in

this area to discuss politics, or discuss the President? People that

come into your garage or----

Mr. ALBA. Well, the usual trend of conversation in the garage, other

than the garage business or the personal customers' cars or neighbors

that walk in the garage that want change for the coke machine, et

cetera, would be either politics--I would say mostly politics more than

anything else.

Mr. LIEBELER. What was the attitude of most of the men toward President

Kennedy? Was he well liked down here, or was he not highly thought of?

Mr. ALBA. He was very highly thought of for his convictions, for his

stand on his convictions, but he wasn't too well thought of for his

stand on the integration program to the South.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was it common for the people to complain about that sort

of thing?

Mr. ALBA. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you never heard Oswald discuss that?

Mr. ALBA. Not once.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was he ever present when the subject was discussed by

others, as far as you can recall?

Mr. ALBA. I really wouldn't know, or be able to comment whether he was

or not. It's very possible that he was, and maybe on several occasions,

but not to my recollection.

Mr. LIEBELER. He never responded in any way?

Mr. ALBA. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. I am going to show you some pictures that have been

marked in other proceedings, five different pictures marked "Commission

Exhibits 451, and 453 through 456," and ask you if you recognize the

person or persons depicted in these pictures?

(Photographs shown to the witness.)

Mr. ALBA. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. I show you another picture marked "Pizzo Exhibit 453-A,"

and ask you if you recognize any of the people on that picture?

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