Mr. JENNER. Those are on lines what?
Mr. STATMAN. Lines 13 and 14, so he filed through line 12.
Mr. JENNER. Through line 12 rather than through line 11?
Mr. STATMAN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And line 12, the date is September 24, 1963?
Mr. STATMAN. Now, on the last two dates that he filed a claim--10-3-63
and 10-10-63, the symbol changes to C.C., which indicates "Continued
Claim," which in turn indicates that it is an intrastate claim. In
other words, he is now filing in Texas against Texas.
Mr. JENNER. Now, if he had not exhausted his interstate claim, that is
the amount due him, and he returned to Dallas----
Mr. STATMAN. He didn't exhaust his interstate claim--you know, once you
set up a claim, that's all the money you get, regardless of which State
you are in. He just happened to return to the State in which he had
earned his wage credits, so his claim reverted from an interstate claim
to an intrastate only due to geographical location, not due to any
monetary consideration.
Mr. JENNER. Then, the explanation is--although the classifications
changed from interstate to intrastate, it was the same claim.
Mr. STATMAN. Right--it was the same claim, it's just a matter of
changing geographical locations.
Mr. JENNER. Of the claimant?
Mr. STATMAN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Back to the State of Texas?
Mr. STATMAN. Back to the State of Texas. You see, he could have started
his claim in Texas and moved to New Orleans and that would have gone
from an intrastate claim to an interstate claim. I had trouble with
that FBI man on that.
Mr. JENNER. You did?
Mr. STATMAN. Well, I mean, it can be confusing, because each State
has their own set of regulations, and actually, we have an interstate
unit in Austin that pays claims from people outside of Texas who are
filing against Texas, and we also have interstate claims the other way.
We have people who have earned their wage credits in New York and are
living here in Dallas, so, when they file a claim, they are filing an
interstate claim against New York. You see, what has happened, this
originated--this interstate claim filed against Texas, and when he
returned to Texas it became an intrastate.
Mr. JENNER. Does that cover that side of the card?
Mr. STATMAN. That covers everything. So, according to this, it would
indicate that he filed, now, you notice he had no signatures here. We
have these individuals, when they come to our office, sign their names
once, because they sign their individual cards, and we want to compare
their each weekly signature with a card here to make sure that the
person who is signing this claim for unemployment insurance is the one
that filed the card.
Mr. JENNER. Whose signature appears on the inside of the card when
folded?
Mr. STATMAN. Right; you see, here we had not his signature because he
was in New Orleans.
Mr. JENNER. Now, when you say "here" you are referring to lines 1
through 12, isn't that correct?
Mr. STATMAN. 1 through 13. In other words, in the space for remarks, 1
through 13, his signature does not appear.
Mr. JENNER. If he were here in Texas when those claims were made, his
signature would appear on each of those lines?
Mr. STATMAN. No; just one time.
Mr. JENNER. At the top--meaning line 1?
Mr. STATMAN. No; at different offices--some offices make them sign it
every time he goes in. Again, it's redundant. Actually, all you want
is a true signature to compare the continued claim card he signs each
week, to make sure this individual's signature checks. Then, when he
came in on 10-10-63 he signed this card in our office, to establish a
signature for us to be able to check future documents with.
Mr. JENNER. All right, and to pay him any balance due on his claim, or
had it been paid out by that time?
Mr. STATMAN. Well, he drew, actually, I can't tell you how much money
he drew, because of a lot of times an individual might file for his
unemployment and for some reason or another he might be ineligible so
he won't get any money. These records do not indicate the amount of
money he has collected. You will have to get that out of Austin--the
chief of the insurance claims.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Davis is an expert at that and anyhow it is his home
town. Is that right, Mr. Davis?
Mr. DAVIS. That's right.
Mr. STATMAN. In other words, I could go in and file for my unemployment
and they might have phoned me for a job Wednesday and I said, "My wife
is working and I have got to stay here with my kids," and I wasn't able
and available for work that week. So, even though I filed for a claim
that week, I would be ineligible, so just the mere signing of these
cards would not indicate the payment to an individual.
Mr. JENNER. You have been extremely helpful.
Mr. STATMAN. I hope so. I hope I didn't confuse you too much.
Mr. JENNER. You didn't confuse us at all.
Mr. STATMAN. Now, do you want to keep all of those records?
Mr. JENNER. Oh, yes; very much so. I offer the three documents in
evidence as Cunningham Exhibits Nos. 1, 2, and 3, respectively. [The
original copies of the cards marked Cunningham Exhibits Nos. 1, 2, and
3 are in evidence as Cunningham Exhibits Nos. 1-A, 2-A, and 3-A.]
Mr. STATMAN. Okay, I guess that's all right--I don't know. Actually,
our records are supposed to be confidential and we are supposed to have
a court order before we release them, but I will just leave them with
you and if I get in trouble I'll come to see you.
Mr. JENNER. If you get in any trouble about them, we will see that they
are returned and we will make copies for you, but, of course, you can
see they are hard to duplicate.
Mr. STATMAN. Are you going to be in town for a few days?
Mr. JENNER. I'll be in town tomorrow and I'll be back next week. There
will be members of the legal staff here all the time.
Mr. STATMAN. Fine. All right, I'm just going to leave these with you.
If something comes up I might have to solicit your aid.
Mr. JENNER. You've got a certified record of the fact you left them
here.
Mr. STATMAN. No; I don't mean that. I might should not have released
these to you without authorization from Austin, but if that comes up,
you look like a pretty good lawyer and you might be able to bring us
out of it.
Mr. DAVIS. Yes; if you get locked up, we will spring you out.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Davis is from the Texas attorney general's office.
Mr. STATMAN. I'm not trying to be negative about this, but you know,
when you deal with the State, sometimes if you don't follow the
protocol there is difficulty.
Mr. DAVIS. If you have any question on it I would be glad to talk with
them and tell them that we have made a formal request of you to leave
them with us.
Mr. STATMAN. All right, fine. Is that all?
Mr. JENNER. That's all. Thank you very much. If you want to read this
over, you may.
Mr. STATMAN. No; that's all right.
Mr. JENNER. And you waive signature too?
Mr. STATMAN. Right.
Mr. JENNER. All right, thank you very much. You have been very helpful.
Mr. DAVIS. Thank you very much.
Mr. STATMAN. All right, I'm glad I could help.