Mr. LIEBELER. And as an immigrant from Cuba, or from some other----

Mr. BRINGUIER. From Cuba [producing document].

Mr. LIEBELER. You have shown me an identification card from the

Department of Immigration and Naturalization, indicating that you were

admitted to the United States as an immigrant on February 8, 1961. Is

that correct?

Mr. BRINGUIER. That is correct.

(Document returned to witness.)

Mr. LIEBELER. I am correct in understanding, am I not, that you have

been involved to one degree or another in Anti-Castro activities here

in New Orleans since your arrival?

Mr. BRINGUIER. Yes, sir; soon after I arrived here to New Orleans,

I founded a Newsletter for the Cubans with the name of Crusada.

That was my first work here in New Orleans. After that I joined,

at the beginning of 1962, the New Orleans Delegation of the Cuban

Revolutionary Council, and I was working as Secretary of Publicity and

Propaganda here in New Orleans for the Cuban Anti-Castro. That was,

I believe, June or July--June 1962. After that, I resigned, and in

July 1962 I was designated New Orleans delegate of the Cuban Student

Directorate, and I am in that position from that time to now.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did there come a time when you met Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. BRINGUIER. I beg your pardon?

Mr. LIEBELER. Did there come a time when you met Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. BRINGUIER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us when that was and the circumstances of the event.

Mr. BRINGUIER. Well, the first day that I saw Lee Harvey Oswald was on

August 5, 1963, but before we go deeper in this matter about Oswald, I

think that I would like to explain to you two things that I think will

facilitate the Commission to understand my feeling at that moment.

Mr. LIEBELER. That is perfectly all right. Go ahead.

Mr. BRINGUIER. And you see, in August 24, 1962, my organization,

the Cuban Student Directorate, carry on a shelling of Havana, and

a few days later when person from the FBI contacted me here in New

Orleans--his name was Warren C. de Brueys. Mr. de Brueys was talking

to me in the Thompson Cafeteria. At that moment I was the only one

from the Cuban Student Directorate here in the city, and he was asking

to me about my activities here in the city, and when I told him that

I was the only one, he didn't believe that, and he advised me--and I

quote, "We could infiltrate your organization and find out what you are

doing here." My answer to him was, "Well, you will have to infiltrate

myself, because I am the only one." And I want to put this out, because

after the assassination of Mr. Kennedy, when I was interviewed, I told

something that some part of the press or some persons now are trying to

use to tell that maybe Oswald was a man from the FBI or the CIA. I will

go into that later on.

After that, after my conversation with de Brueys, I always was waiting

that maybe someone will come to infiltrate my organization from the

FBI, because I already was told by one of the FBI agent that they will

try to infiltrate my organization.

Next thing is this: On August 2, 1963, I receive in my store--I have

over there the office of the delegation too, the visit of two Cubans,

who told me that they had already desert from one Anti-Castro training

camp that was across Lake Pontchartrain here in New Orleans. Until that

moment I did not know nothing about that Anti-Castro training camp

here in the city, and they told me that that Anti-Castro training camp

was a branch of the Christian Democratic Movement--that is another

Anti-Castro organization--and they told me that they had the fear

inside the training camp that there was a Castro agent inside that

training camp.

A few days before, too, the police found here in New Orleans about 1

mile from that training camp a big lot of ammunition and weapons and

all those things, and when Oswald came to me on August 5 I had inside

myself the feeling, well, maybe this is from the FBI, or maybe this is

a Communist, because the FBI already had told me that maybe they will

infiltrate my organization, but that feeling--I only had that feeling

on August 5, because 4 days later I was convinced that Oswald was not

an FBI agent and that he was a Pro-Castro agent.

When I told that to the press after the assassination, I saw in some

magazines that I was not sure if he was an FBI or not, and that is not

the truth, because on August 9, 3 months before the assassination, I

was sure that he was a Pro-Castro and not an FBI. I want to have that

clear.

Mr. LIEBELER. To summarize your statement, when Oswald came to see you

on August 5----

Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.

Mr. LIEBELER. You were suspicious of him on two different counts?

Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.

Mr. LIEBELER. One, that he might possibly have been an infiltrator

working for the FBI?

Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.

Mr. LIEBELER. And you were worried about this because of what Agent de

Brueys had said to you----

Mr. BRINGUIER. A year ago.

Mr. LIEBELER. Almost a year prior to that time?

Mr. BRINGUIER. Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. You were also concerned about the possibility that Oswald

might have been a Communist or a Castro agent of some sort, who was

trying to infiltrate your organization on behalf of that group?

Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right. Now that day, on August 5, I was talking

in the store with one young American--the name of him is Philip

Geraci--and 5 minutes later Mr. Oswald came inside the store. He

start to look around, several articles, and he show interest in my

conversation with Geraci. I was explaining to Geraci that our fight

is a fight of Cubans and that he was too young, that if he want to

distribute literature against Castro, I would give him the literature

but not admit him to the fight.

At that moment also he start to agree with I, Oswald start to agree

with my point of view and he show real interest in the fight against

Castro. He told me that he was against Castro and that he was against

communism. He told me--he asked me first for some English literature

against Castro, and I gave him some copies of the Cuban report printed

by the Cuban Student Directorate.

After that, Oswald told me that he had been in the Marine Corps and

that he had training in guerrilla warfare and that he was willing to

train Cubans to fight against Castro. Even more, he told me that he was

willing to go himself to fight against Castro. That was on August 5.

I turned down his offer. I told him that I don't have nothing to do

with military activities, that my only duties here in New Orleans are

propaganda and information and not military activities. That was my

answer to him.

He insisted, and he told me that he will bring to me next day one book

as a present, as a gift to me, to train Cubans to fight against Castro.

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