LORD GRENVILLE TO THE MARQUIS OF BUCKINGHAM.

Dropmore, Nov. 5th, 1798.

MY DEAREST BROTHER,

I am extremely obliged to you for your constant and kind letters,

which supply the vacancy of all other information. You will

perhaps know before you receive this, that after having employed

Pitt, and through him, me, and also General Ross, separately, to

press Tom to accept the thankless office of his Secretary, Lord

Cornwallis has, without one word of communication to him, written

to say that, Pelham declining, he desires to have Lord Castlereagh.

It is of a piece with all the rest! Pelham _has_ declined, and so

the whole thing will go on exactly as it does now. Yet, lamenting

this most sincerely on public grounds, I cannot but rejoice that

Tom is not to be embarked _dans cette maudite galere_. For what

satisfaction or honour could he receive from it? If he had gone at

first, he might have acquired and exercised some influence over his

principal, and God knows that could not but have turned to good.

But now the _pli_ is taken, the system is set up, and what can

alter it I know not. With respect to Lord Castlereagh, I have

always heard him spoken of as a man of parts and character; but he

cannot have, with Lord Cornwallis, or with the public, the weight

which his peculiar situation requires.

You will easily do me justice enough to believe that I am not blind

to the difficulties which all this heaps on the object (already

sufficiently difficult) which we have in view. I have had no

opportunity (and I am vexed at it) to discuss this subject in

private with Lord Clare. He was to have come here in his way to

Ireland, but he now writes me word that his letters from Ireland

are so pressing for his immediate return that he cannot lose a day.

I can well enough understand that his absence dissolves the little

government that did exist; but I fear, from what Pitt tells me, he

has not spoken out to him, nor would probably to me, as to the real

state of affairs there. I am assured that he talks not only

decisively of the necessity, but also _very sanguinely_ of the

success of our measure, provided always that no attempt is made to

change, as a part of the Union, the existing laws about the

Catholics. And in this last point I am very much disposed to agree

with him now, though before the rebellion I should have thought

differently. For, the doing this thing as a part of the present

measure, would be to hold out an encouragement to rebellion,

instead of showing that every endeavour to disunite Great Britain

and Ireland only makes them "cling close and closer" to each other.

I send you the sketch of our ideas--beyond that, I am sorry to say

we have not yet proceeded, though time presses so much. Many points

of detail will obviously arise from the discussion of these general

ideas, but who is to discuss them if the Lord-Lieutenant is afraid

to communicate with anybody? Forster has been written to twice, to

come over here; he holds back, but will I suppose now come, and

means will easily be found of having _that_ said to him which may

be necessary, whatever it may be.

One great doubt in my mind has been the mode of bringing the thing

into regular shape. In the case of two really independent kingdoms,

like England and Scotland, an union was as much matter of treaty as

an alliance between either of them and Austria and Prussia, but

here the kingdoms are inseparably annexed to each other, and the

legislatures only are independent. The King cannot, therefore, by

commission or full powers, authorize two sets of his subjects to

treat with each other concerning the mode in which he shall

hereafter govern his two kingdoms.

The manner in which _the Irish propositions_, as they were called,

were brought forward in 1785, was in my mind the most objectionable

part of that whole measure, and that which most contributed to its

failure. The scheme which has occurred to me in the present

instance is that the King should, by Order in Council in each

kingdom, refer it to a Committee of Council in each, to consider of

the means of an union, referring to them at the same time some

general sketch like that which I now enclose to you, or possibly a

little more detailed. Towards the conclusion of the business, it

might perhaps be necessary that the King should order a part of his

Irish Committee of Council to come over to confer with the British

Committee on any points of difficulty; and if at last the two

Committees can be brought to agree on one plan, _that_ might by the

King be submitted to the consideration of Parliament in both

kingdoms, and then passed all together, in one Bill, as in the case

of the Scotch Union.

You will observe in this plan which I now send, the particular care

taken not to alter the present rights of election, nor to give into

any theory of uniting small boroughs into sets, and leaving cities

as at present, in order to equalize, as it is called, the

representation of Ireland. This I consider as the corner-stone of

the whole building. If once we touch this, Parliamentary Reform

rushes in upon us here and in Ireland; and, as my friend Condorcet

said, "from thence to the establishment of a complete republic, the

transition will be short indeed."

In better times, if we lived in them, I could certainly arrange

this matter more according to my own fancy; and there is nobody who

could not make to himself some theory on this subject, the very

framing of which is an amusing occupation of the mind, and for

which it then acquires a parental fondness. But now, if ever, and

here if in any matter, _stare super vias antiguas_ is the only

salvation to this country.

The idea of the French tariff I consider as very luminous and

happy. It was suggested by Cooke, but possibly he may not like that

it should be known, either to his principal or to the public, that

he is in the course of offering such suggestions.

You will not complain at least of the shortness of _this_ letter. I

sent you no bulletin about transports in Alexandria, because, I am

sorry to say, I do not believe one word of the report, but am

persuaded that it will turn out to be nothing more than the

destroying a gun-boat or two, the account of which we received and

published long ago. I am, however, totally without letters from

Eden by the last mail, from which I conclude that he has, _for

expedition's sake_, sent a messenger with his letters, who will

some time or another arrive. But there are many occasions of

sending a messenger besides this news. It does seem likely that

Malta will itself drive out the French. What a wonderful change in

twelve months!

God bless you.

The affairs of the continent, which had undergone latterly some

considerable alterations, appearing to open a favourable opportunity for

laying the foundation of a new confederation against France, Mr. Thomas

Grenville was charged with a mission to undertake negotiations for that

purpose. His destination was Vienna and Berlin, with a roving commission

subject to circumstances. The rash and impolitic ambition of France had

awakened an angry resistance on the part of Austria, who had recently

entered into an alliance with the Court of St. Petersburg; and England,

desiring to avail herself of these events, employed Mr. Grenville to

ascertain the views of Prussia and Austria with reference to the

formation of a general combination against the common enemy. "He will

have, if I mistake not," observes Lord Grenville, "very much the glory

of signing the overthrow of Jacobin France."

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