MR. THOMAS GRENVILLE TO LORD GRENVILLE.

(Private.) Vienna, Sept. 1st, 1794.

MY DEAR BROTHER,

If M. de Thugut is waiting with impatience the result of M. de

Merey's negotiation, you will easily believe that we have no less

impatience to know your decisions upon that subject, though you

will have seen that Lord Spencer and I have not been able to teach

ourselves to wish that the pecuniary demands may, or ought to be,

gratified by us. If they had confined themselves to asking only

such a temporary assistance as might have given a more immediate

spring to the vigorous movement which we are urging them to make, I

should have been as little disposed as anybody could to withhold

any practicable facilities of that description; but to the extent

to which they steadily continue to point, I own I feel myself too

little satisfied as to the equity of their claim upon us, and as to

the probability of their acting fairly and manfully up to the great

exertions which they ask from us, to entertain much disposition

towards those demands.

They dwell certainly upon the difference which they state between

loan and subsidy, and wish to prove to us that their offer of

security upon the revenues of the Low Countries should, at least by

us (who always insist on those territories remaining in the House

of Austria), be accepted as a good and ample mortgage for the

repayment of the sums which they want for this year and the next;

but if it is true that they do not feel interested at heart in

these possessions, or if they think us so earnest in our wishes on

this subject, that they may safely throw the whole weight of it

upon us, their offer of a _hypotheque_ on those possessions takes a

much more suspicious character; nor is it, perhaps, an unreasonable

jealousy on my part to apprehend that they may wish you to have a

mortgage of two millions on the Netherlands, as an inducement to

you hereafter to give up some of your French acquisitions in the

West Indies, in order to recover for them a country, in which you

will have a larger pecuniary stake, added to the ordinary course of

political observations.

Much at least of Thugut's conversation would seem to tally with

this view of the matter. It is observable that he perpetually

recurs to its being a settled point, that _de facon ou d'autre_ the

Netherlands will be secured to Austria at the peace, and yet he

never seems (in his view of the military operations to be pursued)

to consider them as a main object of defence, and is so little

disposed to make them so, that he expresses much reluctance at the

idea proposed, of engaging Austria to furnish so large an army, _to

act in that country_, which he thinks might be better employed

elsewhere. Add to this, his remarking that England might be

satisfied by the irrecoverable detriment done to the navy and

commerce of France, and his contrasting the difference in point of

acquisitions made by Great Britain, with the total failure on the

side of Austria; and it is no great refinement to suspect the whole

of this to lead to an expectation that we may better buy back the

Netherlands for them, than put them to the expense of defending

them or regaining them; and that we should have an additional

motive for sacrificing some of our conquests to this object, if we

have two millions of money mortgaged upon it.

Of the advantage which may be expected at home from adopting this

shape of lending upon security, rather than of furnishing a direct

subsidy, I do not well know how to judge; but unless the security

could be shown to be in itself substantial, and of a nature to be

easily got at by those to whom it was due, I should doubt whether

the public at home would be better reconciled to it than to a

direct and acknowledged subsidy. The very small proportion of

effect produced by the large payments this year to the King of

Prussia, will create much indisposition to the incurring of a

similar expense again, unless it can be shown to promise, upon good

probable grounds, a much better return than we have had; and,

generally speaking, I cannot but fear that the mere difference in

point of exertion which we can hope from this country, may not turn

out to be worth the purchase-money in the estimation of the country

at large, though I should hope they might easily acquiesce in a

very considerable exertion, if a great manifest exertion of

strength, fairly disposable to the course of the war, could be

procured by pecuniary aids. What inducement there may be to this

measure, from any apprehension of the Emperor's withdrawing from

the war, is another part of the question, upon which I can form no

more correct judgment than belongs to the observation of a very

short residence here.

Lord Malmesbury hints to me a suspicion of a proposed concert

between the Emperor and the King of Prussia, to compel the Maritime

Powers to make peace, though he appears to give no great credit to

it. Certain it is, that in the month which we have past here, one

of the most striking features of the conversation, both of

Ministers and individuals, has been a hatred and aversion to

Prussia, by Thugut, too, particularly marked towards Lucchesini, of

whom he never scruples to speak to us in terms of the most

unqualified dislike; so that as far as can be collected from what

we hear, there ought to be no ground to suspect any plan of

intimate concert between his Court and Berlin.

It is possible, to be sure, that independently of any such concert,

the Government here, if unassisted by money from us, might

endeavour to withdraw from the prosecution of the war; but, as we

have had no reason to expect any ultimate success to the

propositions which _we_ brought here, we have endeavoured, as much

as possible, to learn what their conduct would be in failure of the

proposed Convention, and to consider them in all that we have said

as equally bound to continue in their co-operations with us

according to the existing agreement, whether any new arrangement

should succeed or not. To this view they have not only acceded

always in distinct terms, when urged by us, but they have

frequently stated this of their own accord, confining themselves

only to the observation, that their means are limited, and will no

longer allow of the exertions which they wish; but solemnly

protesting against any present idea of peace, and always expressing

their belief that Prussia is now desirous of peace being made,

because, in the present situation of things, it might probably be

made to the disadvantage of Austria. Unless, therefore, their

opinions should be disguised to a degree which I cannot well

believe, or should undergo an entire change, I do not see what

ground there is to suspect in them any intention of abandoning the

war, though I can entertain no great hopes of such a vigorous

prosecution of it as we might wish and expect from them.

There is but one opinion as to the Emperor's inclinations on this

subject, and if his personal character had steadiness enough to

influence the Government, his disposition to the true principles of

the war would be a great security to us; at present, however, it is

of little or no avail; and it is much to be lamented in times like

the present, that though there is no dislike entertained to him,

there is not either the respect or consideration which ought to be

attached to his situation, to make it tell with any of the effects

one wishes to derive from it. With respect to his Ministers, you

have seen too much of our remarks upon the striking features of

their conduct, to make it necessary for me in every letter to

repeat them. Thugut is certainly the only efficient Minister here:

very diligent and laborious in his office, he seems to have

acquired an influence here by being the only man of business about

the Court; and with this recommendation has reached a situation

which the nobility of the country are mortified to see him hold,

because he has no pretensions to hereditary rank, and because they

have been used to see that office for many years filled by Prince

Kavnitz. What _we_, however, miss in him is, either the disposition

or capacity to see the present great crisis of Europe upon the

large scale on which it should be looked at by the leading Minister

of this empire; instead of which, we see in all our discussions a

cold, narrow, and contracted view of this subject, infinitely too

languid and little for the object, and made peculiarly unfavourable

to our propositions, by the disinclination which he certainly feels

to concur heartily with us in the great interests attached to the

Austrian possession of the Low Countries. We have, it is true,

obtained from him assurances of concerting an immediate plan for

the relief of Valenciennes; but even this has not been obtained

without many discouraging tokens of that total want of manly energy

and direct dealing, without which all co-operation must necessarily

be languid and feeble: always taking merit for having sent the most

distinct orders to try the relief of Valenciennes, yet never taking

the obvious mode of satisfying us by communicating those orders to

us; maintaining as an argument for the loan, that without it the

army cannot move, yet at the same time resisting our objections of

the delay of waiting for answers from M. de Merey, by stating this

movement as being actually in great forwardness, and not depending

upon the loan for its execution; acquiescing in the change of

command urged by us, and yet ever since that event reminding us

that in his opinion this very change may defeat the operation which

we wished to assist by it; gratifying our impatience at one time by

counting up the days to the probable time of the desired movement,

and then again stating that Clairfayt's army may be weakened too

much to attempt it by his detaching, perhaps considerably, towards

the side of Treves; complaining that the Austrians had been

prevented from sending Blankenstein's corps towards Flanders, as

they wished, by the Prussians having engaged it in their line of

defence, and yet refusing to us a corps much more inconsiderable,

and not involved in the objection--I mean the corps of Conde--a

corps, too, which, as I have before observed, from their own

statement of their want of money, they should have been glad to

have seen transferred to the pay of another country.

These, and many other such traits of inconsistency, I advert to

only as being descriptive of the very unsatisfactory manner in

which our business is discussed, always providing on their side

apologies for future failures, instead of means of success, and

projects of vigour and enterprize. Yet though the shortness of our

possible residence here makes this inanimate character of the

Government a bar to that immediate spirit and alacrity which, for

the purposes of the present crisis, it was highly desirable to

create here, so as to act upon instantaneously; much, I should

suppose, may be done after our return, by any person of steadiness

and activity, in the course of an established residence here, there

being certainly fair grounds for the most intimate union between

the two countries, and appearances enough of general inclination

towards it, though traversed for the present by their hopes of

fighting at our cost, and by the unfavourable turn of M. Thugut's

mind upon the subject of the Netherlands. For this purpose, the

sooner a regular Minister is appointed here the better; because

though the opening of the subsequent campaign is at present distant

enough, the dilatory habits of this Government make every moment

more precious than it should be; and the points, both of the

barrier and the Dutch indemnity, may be found longer in discussion

than they were expected to be when I left London, particularly upon

the former of those two subjects, on which the future possession

of Dunkirk and Givet must, perhaps, be distinctly explained.

We have heard of Lord Malmesbury's intention to quit Frankfort on

the 10th of September, and we have read the formal acceptance,

signed by him, of the military concert of the 26th July; you will

already have seen, in our despatch No. 5, our apprehensions of the

inconvenience of placing Clairfayt's army in any state of

dependance upon the Prussian line, as we are always afraid that the

Prussians may, by a nominal concert upon this subject, become a

real hindrance, and throw difficulties in the way of the proposed

enterprise for the relief of Valenciennes. In this view, therefore,

we had certainly rather have seen Lord Malmesbury remaining at

least till the movement in question had actually been carried into

effect; and the more so, as we have always kept their fears a

little quiet here, by promising that Lord Malmesbury, at Frankfort,

should look to and strictly watch the operations of Marshal

Mollendorff's army. I take for granted, however, that you will

provide as well as you can against the inconveniences which in this

shape may arise, and we shall likewise mention it to Lord M.

Ever, my dear brother,

Most affectionately yours,

T. G.

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